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Some more to ponder on Russia/NATO complexities

Started by Pakie5 REPLIES503 VIEWS· 07 Mar 2025, 16:39
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Mar 2025, 16:39
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07 Mar 2025, 16:39#1

From a 1994 interview with Henry Kissinger and former Ambassador Jack Matlock:


Kissinger: And if we are reluctant to antagonize the Russians today when they're weak, it is an illusion to think that somewhere three, four years down the road, we can suddenly move in that direction when they're stronger. Nor am I saying that we should treat the Russians as enemies. What I'm saying is we should have the friendliest political relations with Russia. I look at NATO as a safety net, as an insurance policy, and you don't want to wait to take out an insurance policy when the house is already on fire.


Matlock: There is one other factor here that we seem to be forgetting, and we did, though it was not a legally binding assurance, we gave categorical assurances to Gorbachev, back when the Soviet Union existed, that if a United Germany was able to stay in NATO, NATO would not be moved eastward. And, you know, I think that the current Russian government is very clear. It is not legally binding, but it was, you might say, a geopolitical deal. And if we simply ignore it, then I, certainly if I were a Russian, it would be hard for me to interpret this, even though it may not be intended that way, and it is not, as anything less than an attempt to shut Russia off from Eastern Europe.



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Mar 2025, 16:46
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07 Mar 2025, 16:46#2

In that same interview also this, where they were showing a map of the area:


"You see this map. Where is the no man's land? Would it be...It would be Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary. What you have in yellow on this map would be the no man's land in which both Germany and Russia would try to influence. For example, Yeltsin in his speech to the General Assembly at the UN, made 2 points. Point one was that anything east of that yellow shaded area was connected to Russia as blood brothers. That's Belarus and Ukraine. And strongly implied that no outside influence was permissible there."

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Mar 2025, 17:07
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07 Mar 2025, 17:07#3

There is a document found in he Reagan libry that confirmed the agreement to no enlarge NA TO as agreed upon between Bush Senior and Gorbachov. So Reagan fwas infomed of eh negotiators and that is the eason for the document in the Reagan Library.


I may add that the hope of many in the USA led by Biden was that by deeating Russia in the Crimea that the Black sea bases of he Rusian could be closed down - Sebastopol being the only navy base in European Russia not frozen up in Ice covering on the Baltic Sea Coast and White Sea, If the Crimea was to be turned into a NATO base occupied by the USA it will put Russia in mortal danger. and that was a dream of the Biden regime wanted beyond anyhing else.


To be quite frank 95% of the Crimea population are ethnic Russians (85%) amd Tartars (10%) They do not want to be part of Ukraine anymore - so I think the Crimea is off the table when it comes to the peace settlement, Trump wants a reasonable treaty that would serve the problems pemanently and not open up the situation that could lead to furture wars,



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Mar 2025, 17:53
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07 Mar 2025, 17:53#4

Nothing complex...NATO brroke agreements and assurances...doesn't have to be in writing to be binding.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Mar 2025, 18:22
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07 Mar 2025, 18:22#5

Draad the complexity being sovereign nations making sovereign decisions, and then Russia being edgy about Western encroachment and influence on their borders. Somewhere there has to be a balance, but it's not an easy one.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Mar 2025, 18:50
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07 Mar 2025, 18:50#6

It's not that difficult either...don't deliberately p!$$ off the Russians...

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