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Sweden did not have a lockdown. Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 May 2020, 19:32
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05 May 2020, 19:32#1

A dumb mokey would do better than any lying agenda driven so called "expert"!!!!!!

Sweden did not have a lockdown.

Experts predicted that it would have 40,000 COVID-19 deaths by May 1.

The actual number was 2,769.

The Telegraph just reported:

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach

shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769. Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.

How Sweden suppressed infection rates without a lockdown

Sweden and Denmark took wildly different approaches to handling the coronavirus pandemic – but so far, it hasn’t made much difference

May 5, 2020

They have a similar public trust in government, similar social structures, demographics, and health systems, but wildly different coronavirus strategies.

Denmark locked down hard and early, shutting schools, borders, cafés, restaurants and shops. Sweden has taken a light-touch approach, shutting none of these things, and instead relying on the public’s “common sense behaviour”.

Last Wednesday, the two countries’ health agencies both published their report cards, giving estimates on what difference their contrasting approaches had made to the rate at which the infection is spreading – the famous ‘R number’.

The result? Not that much.

If the R number is 1, it means that each person infected goes on to infect an average of one other person during the course of their illness. So long as a country keeps R below one, the number of infections will steadily decrease until the pandemic comes to an end.

The Public Health Institute of Sweden estimated that Sweden’s R number has fallen from 1.4 at the start of April to 0.85 at the end of April.

Denmark’s SSI infectious diseases agency, meanwhile, estimated that Denmark’s had fallen from about 1 at the start of April to about 0.9 at the end of April.

On the face of it, it looks like Sweden – without ever imposing a lockdown – has done a slightly better job at slowing the rate of spread.

Sweden’s numbers are a standing rebuke to the Imperial College study that has done so much to influence UK policy. Researchers at the university predicted that Sweden’s approach would leave it with an R of above 3, leading to 40,000 coronavirus deaths by May 1. Sweden’s current death tally is just 2,769.

Uno Wennergren, a mathematician and pandemic modeller at Linköping University, suspects Sweden’s low number in part comes from growing levels of immunity in Stockholm, where the outbreak has so far been concentrated, and in part from social distancing.

“It looks like its a combination of herd immunity effect and lower infectability. Both seem to be acting simultaneously,” he said.

If Swedes hadn’t changed their behaviour on the recommendation of the Public Health Institute, he stressed, Imperial would have been proven right.

“We should always in the back of our mind remember what would happen if we went back to what we were doing in January or February,” he said. “If we went back to that, it would not be nice.”

So did Danes endure their long, strange month of home-schooling, home-working and zero social life for nothing? Not quite.

Denmark’s much heavier lockdown helped push the R number as low as 0.6 in mid-April, only creeping back to 0.9 after it opened schools on April 15 – although the increase may have more to do with the weather and the effects of lockdown fatigue

Sweden, on the other hand, saw an early and sudden peak in mid-March, when the infection rate briefly spiked above 3, and then a steady slow decline through April, with the rate only falling consistently below one after April 19.

This apparently small difference has had a big impact in terms of hospital admissions and death: Sweden’s cumulative coronavirus death rate, at 274 deaths per million inhabitants, is now triple that of Denmark.

But as Sweden’s Public Health Institute has maintained from the start, coronavirus will be with us for much longer than the month or so a country can reasonably maintain a full lockdown.

Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell now estimates that as many as a quarter of people in Stockholm might already be immune. The capital might have herd immunity within weeks, he argues.

This doesn’t say anything about the rest of Sweden. Wennergren warns that the sub-1 R number for Sweden as a whole might be heavily weighed down by a high immunity in Stockholm, masking a rapid spread elsewhere.

“We could end up on the other side of the Stockholm peak and think we’re doing fine, and instead get a wave-like plateau that is a result of different regions overlapping one another,” he said. “What we are trying to do now is to model it

by the different regions… Until we have done that, I think it will be really hard to know where this is going to land.”

At the end of April, Wennergren estimated on Swedish national TV that between 10,000 and 20,000 people will ultimately die of coronavirus in the country. This means the virus has so far claimed, at best, only a quarter of its likely victims.

Denmark, on the other hand, faces the same dilemma as other locked down countries. Even with cafés, restaurants and most shops still shut, it has seen the R number creep up to 0.9.

How much more can it relax before it starts to see a second wave? And how much will its impressive success in curtailing the number of deaths last month affect its final death toll?

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 May 2020, 08:53
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06 May 2020, 08:53#2

Well ... did locking our country down help in any way ... or did it simply make things a lot worse?

Did it flatten the curve ... or did it bring additional social issues to the table?

We seem to be returning to normal now ... so ... was is it just a monumental waste of time ... or was it an opportunity to steal from those who needed help the most?

Food prices have hit all time highs ... hundreds of businesses have folded ... tens of thousands have joined the unemployment ranks ... and desperation has skyrocketed. We've seen an increase in corruption by governmental officials. We've seen food parcels meant for the poor being loaded onto trucks belonging to Cyril's ministers ... police selling booze on the sly ... white folks being turned away at UIF offices with blacks being the only ones served.

We've seen the beetroot minister confirm her stupidity ... her lust to rule over all ... and a wimpy president put in his place.

So ... did Sweden really get it wrong?




DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 May 2020, 09:13
#3
06 May 2020, 09:13#3

Can't argue with your logic here CC

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 May 2020, 09:24
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06 May 2020, 09:24#4

CC, Minister Beetroot has joined her forefathers, Dlamini Zuma was the idiot responsible for Sarafina 2...She was Health Minester before Dr Knoffel AKA Minister Beetroot, but just as stupid.

Manto Tshabalala-MsimangSouth African Politician
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 May 2020, 09:46
#5
06 May 2020, 09:46#5

Wait for the new wealth taxes and the plundering of the South African Investment Corporation when the Corona dust has settled. This was the excuse they have been looking for. They have looted 30% already and are gunning for the what's le ft.

The Transnet Pensioners were robbed by Ramos and Manuel 25 years ago...Yearly increases of 2% over 25 years have plunged them into poverty...the rest of the government employees are next. It already started...in less than 5 years nothing will be left. I was hoping Cyril would at least try and change things...I was wrong...the looting is ongoing, just a bit more covert, but twice as lethal.

The 5 weeks of lockdown has also shown me how our kids are brainwashed at school...the white man has almost been written out of the history of our country...only useful as an antagonist who spoiled the Utopia, peace and harmony that existed before we set our greedy feet on the African Continent. 

Why did I not take this to heart 15 years ago? Why did I keep on believing things would change? Why did I not realize how deep the hate burned in their hearts? 

Not the men and women in the streets and in the sinkplaat hokkies in the townships. They are too busy trying to survive to waste energy on hating too much. They do and believe what they are told, kept dumb and dependent by a pathetic school system and miserable social grants...But the leaders at the top? They hate with a passion. They did not blink an eye while burning their own people with tyres around the necks...didn't mind bombing them at train stations and Wimpy bars during the struggle...and they don't mind them rotting in the slums now. Greedy evil bastards, using their own people as canon fodder.


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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 May 2020, 12:55
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06 May 2020, 12:55#6

Watched the news the other day..... and they were throwing food parcels off the trucks to anyone in the crowd.....whoever was there to catch it....

I guess a family of 10 probably sent each individual family member to go to that truck and collect a separate food parcel

No ID checks, address listings, municipal residential proof......nothing, nada, fuck all

There was absolutely zero control..... and that was after the ANC cronies tried to steal them, and also the other food parcels that had maggots in them

Now they are threatening the poor people to give back the duplicated Sassa payments that were just made

You can't fucking script this shit

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
06 May 2020, 13:07
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06 May 2020, 13:07#7
I saw some stuff on Facebook that said food parcels were intentionally not been given to white people. Either a directive from the top of the government, or lacky officials handing out the food- or probably both 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 May 2020, 13:13
#8
06 May 2020, 13:13#8

All this has happened because of:

China

WHO

The lying hysteria creating globalist media. 

The actions of Gates front man Fauci and sidekick Birx. 

False modelers like Neil Ferguson and those who supported his BS

I heard today a black guy from the Congo with a degree in International Affairs who worked as a skilful all round handyman died of a heart attack.

He has a family with a wife and 4 boys. He was just under 50. Very fit and trim, energetic etc. One thing he said to me was he didn't like not working as he got depressed. Now I wonder what happened did he suffer from anxiety and to a degree that caused the heart attack? 

These evil rulers must know that the abyss is an economic meltdown. They must know only the elderly and those with morbities are vulnerable. For the rest the death rate is way below the flu death rate. 

Open up the economy NOW! 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 May 2020, 13:18
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06 May 2020, 13:18#9

 saw some stuff on Facebook that said food parcels were intentionally not been given to white people. Either a directive from the top of the government, or lacky officials handing out the food- or probably both 


And they are preventing ngo's from handing out food hampers. It has been outlawed. You must have a permit....hate runs deep...but this whole thing will backfire...the last straw...

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 May 2020, 15:22
#10
06 May 2020, 15:22#10

"...the last straw..."

I seem to get that same feeling

One thing is for certain...… things will never ever be the same again... whether it be good or bad..... too many true intentions were displayed by this government during the pandemic

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