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Tank donations to Ukraine a farce

Started by Moonrover55 REPLIES2,384 VIEWS· 23 Sept 2023, 04:02
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2023, 07:13
#41
27 Sept 2023, 07:13#41

BTW Polish investigators confirm the missile that fell in Poland and killed 2 people and that Zinsky denied, was a sv500 5v55 Ukro missile.Pretty accurate hey... How many more missfired missiles.... killing his own population... if one missile ended up in Poland... do the maths

How many missiles would Ukraine have needed to fire had Russia not invaded?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Sept 2023, 07:31
#42
27 Sept 2023, 07:31#42

The absurdities never end. 

The Russians have control of the skies. They have top flight ability to identify where the enemy is and either send in a missile, drone strike or use their massive artillery superiority to take out the enemy.

The Ukraine forces are caught out in the open

 The few out of date tanks the Ukrainians have are mobile coffins and are being wiped out.

500,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed and many more wounded.  The Ukraine population has dwindled to around 20 million people. 

Zelensky is trying to get NATO countries to send back men so he can put them in the Military and they can be sent to the meat grinder after a brief period of training. Fortunately some countries are refusing to do this. 

Zelensky is now recruiting old men, teenagers and women. To the last Ukrainian is taking on a real meaning

The Russians plan to have some 1. 2 Million men under arms by year end or there abouts. They have no equipment shortages and their economy is doing fine. Better than the West. Right now thry have around 850,000 men. 

Sentiment in the West has turned against the war as well. 

Look at what Prof John Mearsheimer has to say. See my post. 

 There is no path to victory for Ukraine. The war has been lost. Those are the cold hard facts. Further the instigators of the war are very clearly Globalist US led Nato, who have supplied the means to continue the war and have prevented any peace being achieved. They are entirely to blame. 

The biggest disaster for the West is the expansion of BRICS and dedollarization. The World has now rejected Western hegemony and all the acts of aggression by the Globalist led USA. Kicking Russia off the SWIFT system was the last straw. 

The war in fact has been a disaster for the West exactly as it was planned to be. Just like the open borders disaster is not a mistake, just like the US accumulating 33 trillion dollars of debt is not a mistake, the Ukraine war is not a mistake or miscalculation. 

This year one I hear the US has accumulated 2 trillion in debt. As Congressman Matt Gaetz says it's unsustainable. Of course Globali st Mozzz has zero to say about this other than one comment I recall where he dismissed this debt as being a danger. Mozzz always covers for the Globalists destroying America. 

There never had been any attempt by the USA to win the war. Just like they never intended to win the war in Vietnam or Korea or Afghanistan. Lots of money is being made by Mozzz's favorite firm Raytheon which currently beats out Mozzz's previous favorite Pfizer. 

The Globalist media has again lost the war of the narrative. Ukraine has lost and most people now know this. Another Biden success to go along with so many policies that are being successful in destroying America. 

But the Resistance is rising and the  latest poll I saw put Trump a massive 10 points ahead of Biden. Of course mozzz says Trump cant beat Biden. The only way that happens is by rigged elections or successful Lawfare but not through fairly contested elections. Mozzz as, always these days is hopelessly out of touch. 



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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
27 Sept 2023, 07:59
#43
27 Sept 2023, 07:59#43

How many missiles would Ukraine have needed to fire had Russia not invaded?

We see the intentions of NATO clearer now in their desire to control the Black Sea.Stuff NATO

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2023, 08:12
#44
27 Sept 2023, 08:12#44

We see the intentions of NATO clearer now in their desire to control the Black Sea.Stuff NATO

Responding with a nonsens e Russian propaganda claim doesn't answer the question I posed.



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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
27 Sept 2023, 09:12
#45
27 Sept 2023, 09:12#45

Hey Stav.... Neither you nor anybody on here has provided why in 2008 NATO decided in Budapest to move on Georgia and Ukraine. 

That was Clearcut aggression,forget about your previous error on countries joining NATO. Get into the ballgame here... not second half yellow cards. 



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2023, 09:40
#46
27 Sept 2023, 09:40#46

Hey Stav.... Neither you nor anybody on here has provided why in 2008 NATO decided in Budapest to move on Georgia and Ukraine. 

That's still not answering my question about the number of missiles Ukraine would have had to fire had Russia not invaded.

But I'll answer your question.

NATO doesn't move on anyone. The member states decide between them what countries they will extend an invitation to join them and that's typically countries that have already expressed a desire to join.

Russia and its apologists in the west, ignore the fact that those who have joined NATO, did so willingly. In no way did NATO commit aggression against any of its member states or force countries to join them.

And why did the various countries who joined NATO do so?. Because they feared the large, heavily armed and aggressive neighbour to the east of them and sought safety in numbers. 

Russia knows damn well NATO was never going to attack them. But what it actually feared was loosing its ability to coerce Ukraine by force if it joined NATO.


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
27 Sept 2023, 15:32
#47
27 Sept 2023, 15:32#47

There is no answer is there. 

Why NATO wanted to move South and East onto the borders of Russia. Why NATO has provoked Russia into invading Ukraine. Why NATO uses the poor Ukrainians as fodder. 

You didnt know about the Budapest declaration before I brought it up here... it's a shadow hanging over NATO now. If Ukraine does join then NATO has to tackle Russia. 


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2023, 15:47
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27 Sept 2023, 15:47#48
There is no answer is there. 

I answered your question, you still haven't answered mine.
Why NATO wanted to move South and East onto the borders of Russia.
For mutual security.
Why NATO has provoked Russia into invading Ukraine. 
It didn't, Putin just used it as an excuse for something he always intended to do.
Why NATO uses the poor Ukrainians as fodder. 
It doesn't, it supports Ukraine's right to self defence.
You didnt know about the Budapest declaration before I brought it up here... it's a shadow hanging over NATO now. If Ukraine does join then NATO has to tackle Russia. 

You mean the agreement where Russia agreed to recognize Ukraine' s then borders including the Donbas and Crimea?
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
27 Sept 2023, 17:28
#49
27 Sept 2023, 17:28#49

Now Stav is playing the dumb atheist card again. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2023, 17:48
#50
27 Sept 2023, 17:48#50

Now Stav is playing the dumb atheist card again.

Is that you mashing the " take thread off topic" button?

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
27 Sept 2023, 18:33
#51
27 Sept 2023, 18:33#51

Of course it it is, when ever they are losing an argument ( which is all the time) these morons always resorts  to the God argument  as they have nothing else but their stupid beliefs to hold onto.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2023, 19:01
#52
27 Sept 2023, 19:01#52

Boy those Ukrainians got it wrong…asking for tanks they can’t use. They should have looked at the Russian tanks stopped dead in their tracks on the way to Kiev.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
27 Sept 2023, 19:33
#53
27 Sept 2023, 19:33#53

Ja, that was pretty dump of the Russkies.

Now the Russkies Airforce can lick their lips. They probably get a medal for each Abrams tank taken out. This is why they run away each time they drop off troops,these tanks. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2023, 21:24
#54
27 Sept 2023, 21:24#54

Cowardly tanks….is this an AI thing?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 Sept 2023, 21:55
#55
27 Sept 2023, 21:55#55
A recent new peace I came across recently recounted how a Ukrainian Leopard 2 tank was disabled by a mine at the start of the Ukrainan offensive and abandoned by its crew. The Russian's then proceeded to seize the area that the Leopard 2 was disabled in.
3 months later the Ukrainian's retook the same area and low and behold the disabled Leopard 2 was still sitting in the same spot with no additional damage. Ukrainian's towed it away and sent it back to Germany for repairs.
Talk about incompetence by the Russian's. You'd think they would try to haul away a modern western battle tank for analysis or at the very least destroy it so its not recaptured and repaired.



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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
28 Sept 2023, 00:36
#56
28 Sept 2023, 00:36#56

Stav, stil believing the Hollywood media... Topgum is about to enter the fray

Let's see if the soft skull Armour of the Abrams can withstand the drone bombs. 

The Russian T90 is still superior in the marshy terrain anyway. 


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