Stav, you may want to import more Muslims but most people do not. This is a Democratic fact.
If you truly had liberal values, you would see that the majority can't just consist of the far right....Some left-wing people don't like Muslims for their lack of left-wing values. (e.g. Sharia Law).
It is not just the West that does not like them. Are China or India seeking to import Muslims? Even some of the other Muslim countries will only accept certain Muslim sects that align with their own take on the interpretation of the Koran.
Muslims have their own place where they appear to constantly be at war with each other, how does one realistically expect them to get along with non-Muslims? Problems will just increase with more of them.
The liberal left-wing falls apart on this type of stuff. They want everyone to be treated fairly, but while commendable - it not always the right solution.
The liberal left doesn't fall apart, its just coming up some deeply ingrained prejudices that have been reinforced over a long time by some right wing media and alt-right online media that massively amplify incidents of Muslim violence to outright lying about it.
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Amplify incidents? Like 9/11 and the London bomb attacks, the Moscow theatre attack that killed hundreds of people. The more Muslims, the more this stuff is going to happen. If our Arab friends had the means they would blow the Israeli's and West off the map. (Sure not all Arabs, but their is a decent %). '
If someone does not have any liberal values, why treat them as though they did?
Blocking entry or deporting people based on their religion isn't a liberal value so maybe your the one with the issue living in the west.
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Stav, you can clamour to the moral high-ground, but you are a minority.
Do you realistically believe that more than 50% of people want to increase Muslim imports? Does that mean that all of these places or people don't have liberal values?
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The overwhelming majority of Muslims who immigrant to the west, live by western laws, they work, they pay their taxes and stay out of trouble. Collective punishment is not acceptable in the 21st century.
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Conversely, why should they be rewarded by allowing them entry?
If millions of people from around the world started moving to Muslim countries, can we expect themto apply your version of liberal values? Naïve stuff...
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The Democratic consensus is that people want less Muslim imports.
The democratic consensus can change. Its why there is elections every 4-5 years in the west.
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No kidding? I didn't realise that there were elections where people voted for what they wanted, instead of being forced to take on your version of liberal values.
Are you suggesting that in 4 years, everyone will now decide they only want to import Muslims? A big part of Brexit was motivated by taking back control of borders. While people in general may want to reduce immigration, at the top of the list are Muslim countries. This is a fact.
We live in the present with a government that is elected for that current period- not the future.
If you had liberal values in practise, you might consider why the majority don't want more of them and take empathy with their position, instead of taking the alternative viewpoint to be a moral crusader.
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Anti Muslim and anti immigration sentiment are mostly a product of media coverage. If the media stopped amplifying the issues the public wouldn't care even if the immigration and crime rates stayed exactly the same, because by and large they wouldn't either see it or be affected by it. What we have instead is manufactured outrage.
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Garbage. I have never witnessed anything like 9/11 where a non-military target was destroyed by passenger airlines. If they could have put nukes on the plane, they probably would have.
Remember these people are led by the likes of Bin Laden - many of whom were actually voted into power. Hammas is the ruling government within Palestine that was elected.
Aside from the terror stuff, they are just not my favourite cup of tea.
Well I'm a fan of religion in general and Islam is a more conservative repressive religion, particularly towards women and minority groups and it does tend to produce more extremists groups willing to carry out violence. I'd never want to live in a Mulsim country (though I've no issue holidaying in some of them).
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You never want to live in a Muslim country, but would be happy to increase their numbers....That makes allot of sense....
You would not like to live in a Muslim country....Is that perhaps because you are scared to get your head chopped off for having liberal values?
What they do women is a reflection of their society and religion. This alone is enough to not let them in. Sharia law is barbaric savagery- and many of them practise it, and want to the right to practice this in their new host countries.
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But on the other hand have you actually meet and spoken to any Muslims for any length of time.
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I have. It is obvious that not all support terrorism, but many ( the majority) will support Islam in any war with the West. Not everything is their fault, but many countries just dont have great relations with the Middle East.
I've known a few from work and spoken with them and I can assure you when you say hello, the response isn't "Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad" before donating their suicide vest, nor are they jumping on and raping every western women not wearing a hijab and no their not handing me a petition to sign calling for the introduction of Sharia law and their not constantly interrupting conversations with excuse me I need to prey, which way is Mecca?
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This from the person who said he would never want to live in the Middle East:?
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Aka the exact same conversations I have with the native population, just with less swearing.
Aside from which if your a Liverpool fan you would probably convert to Islam if meant keeping Mo Salah from leaving.
Then they should stop harboring and protecting extreme terrorists...and BTW it's only a few Muslim countries causing most of the problems, not all of them...they will be dealt with...and no, military intervention isn't the way.
Perhaps the west (mostly now just America) should stop facilitating what is almost certainly a genocide in Gaza now. But credit to South Africa for bringing that genocide case against Israel something my country has since joined.
What the Muslim men have been, and are currently doing, to young White girls in and across the UK, is now finally coming to light, and it is fucking despicable....
Where's the outrage about christian men after the decades long abuse of children by the Church in the UK. Hundreds of abusers, thousands of abused and decades of cover ups. Again why the fixation on Muslim crimes?
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We live in the present. However, it is not as if I would not want investigations into the Church for similar conduct. That is a Western problem and something we need to sort out. We dont need the problem compounded by Islam versions of this.
Why the main stream media have not run with this story before is insane.
Because they need evidence of it.
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There was evidence of it, many of the perpetrators are in jail. Are you denying this happened?
The mainstream did actually run with this story, but it was over 14 years ago.
The conservative government refused to reopen this case in 2022.
If there was new evidence of this old case, it could be reopened. (I have seen Musk is trying to reopen it- but that appears motivated by political ends - not the human tragedy).
I have mentioned this many times on this forum, and it was all blamed on the 'Far Right" mentality of certain people in the UK.
Because its the far right that amplify it. They hyper focus on it to give the impression that the issue is much worse than it actually is.
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Or the West is too politically correct to give it the coverage it required at the time.
"If" there is new evidence of other perpetrators, of course, the case should be opened. Or if there is new crimes, the investigations should be made public knowledge, rather than give it low coverage to protect minority groups
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Open up your eyes people ....
The truth is finally coming out, and it's about bloody time.....
Our eyes are open.
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"Our"? Again, you are the Democratic minority.
Some people may be jumping on the bandwagon of Tommy Robinson, because of their dislike of Muslims. Regardless, the consensus is that people want less not more... Do you deny this as a fact, or are you saying the majority want more more - not less?