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The attack on Trump about Chloroquine

Started by Mozart12 REPLIES493 VIEWS· 21 Mar 2020, 16:04
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Mar 2020, 16:04
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21 Mar 2020, 16:04#1

Predictably when Trump pushed Chloroquine as a possible treatment for people dying of the virus...he was attacked. It may not end up as the way to go....but China and Korea who have lots of experience currently list it in their recommended regimes. And NY is using it off label in several hospitals.


Meantime the CDC and the Infectious Disease institutes, who have come up with nothing better than washing hands have adopted a highly sceptical stance. This is why I predicted the lead in treatment would come from other countries....these guys are incapable of admitting that good medicine exists beyond the US borders.


In the absence of anything why not try something that appears to have helped. This from the Wall Street Journal:


CONGJUN/UTUKU/ROPI/ZUMA PRESSBy Jared S. Hopkins and Daniela HernandezUpdated March 20, 2020 7:13 pm ET
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Doctors and hospitals are turning to decades-old antimalarial drugs to treat patients infected with the disease caused by the new coronavirus, as they work to repurpose existing therapies in a race to find effective treatments.

Antimalarial drugs chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine have both shown early signs of improving symptoms of some patients diagnosed with Covid-19, the respiratory disease caused by the coronavirus, based on reports by doctors and researchers in South Korea, France and China. Physicians in the U.S. are also using the drugs. 

Chloroquine, approved for Americans in the 1940s, and hydroxychloroquine, greenlighted the next decade, are also prescribed for patients with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. The drugs are considered relatively safe for most people although chloroquine is slightly more toxic.

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Researchers at Harvard University and Massachusetts General Hospital are proposing trials that would test using inhaled nitric oxide, a compound known to increase blood flow, to treat patients or prevent healthy people from contracting the disease. Lorenzo Berra, MGH’s medical director for respiratory care and one of the principal investigators of the planned studies, and his collaborators posit that nitric oxide could help Covid-19 patients with moderate or severe respiratory distress.

The University of Minnesota this week began enrolling patients in the first U.S. coronavirus clinical trial to test hydroxychloroquine, evaluating the drug in health-care workers and people who live with infected patients.

Chloroquine is among the drugs to be studied in a multicountry trial announced this week by the World Health Organization, and it is already recommended treatment by China and South Korea governments.

Since Thursday, at least four drugmakers have said they are donating hydroxychloroquine tablets to institutions or increasing production of the compound.

The two drugs received praise Thursday from President Trump as treatments for coronavirus, who said chloroquine was “approved by prescription,” although it is currently approved for other uses. Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, said that chloroquine’s effectiveness on Covid-19 should be evaluated in a clinical trial.

Chloroquine is a synthetic form of quinine, a centuries-old compound for malaria that is found in small amounts in products such as tonic water. As focus on the drug’s promise emerge, sellers have jacked up prices on a form of chloroquine that is sold to be used in aquariums to kill organisms, according to an analysis from social-media intelligence firm Storyful.

These products won’t be effective for coronavirus because prescription drugs are much more potent, said Matthew Might, director of the Hugh Kaul Precision Medicine Institute at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

There are already concerns from health systems whether there is enough supply of both drugs. Premier Inc., one of the largest U.S. organizations that does purchasing of drugs and other supplies for hospitals, this week saw spot shortages for both therapies, with hospitals increasing purchases as more supportive research emerged, said Soumi Saha, senior director of advocacy.

“Because these products aren’t typically used, most hospitals don’t have stock with them,” said Ms. Saha. “Should either become front-line treatment I do not believe current capacity can meet demand.”


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Mar 2020, 16:55
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21 Mar 2020, 16:55#2

France China and Australia have all used these two drugs with 100% success.

If you took the trouble to visit Gateway Pundit you would see a letter that Dr Fauci (spelling) wrote praising very Crooked Hillary. 

The Globalist are still hoping this Chinese virus will bring down Trump. So far Trump's job approval ratings have jumped to 55% and as the true facts about this Chinese Virus emmerges it is going backfire on ALL the panic hypers.

The death rate in the USA is now 1.25% and EXCLUDES any estimation of non reported infections. Given that most people hardly know they are infected widespread testing will cause the Chinese Virus to drop to flu like levels.

What then. The rage against the lying MSM, their credibility in the toilet etc. 

Saw a great article on how globalism has taken a huge blow. Some goodwill come out of this. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Mar 2020, 21:08
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21 Mar 2020, 21:08#3

Here’s the test.....too small to draw statistical conclusions, but encouraging enough to continue pursuing:


A renowned research professor in France has reported successful results from a new treatment for Covid-19, with early tests suggesting it can stop the virus from being contagious in just six days.

Professor Didier Raoult from infection hospital l'Institut Hospitalo-Universitaire (IHU) Méditerranée Infection in Marseille (Bouches-du-Rhône, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur), published a video explaining the trials on Monday March 16.

Professor Raoult is an infectious diseases specialist and head of the IHU Méditerranée Infection, who has been tasked by - and consulted by - the French government to research possible treatments of Covid-19.

He said that the first Covid-19 patients he had treated with the drug chloroquine had seen a rapid and effective speeding up of their healing process, and a sharp decrease in the amount of time they remained contagious.

Chloroquine - which is normally used mainly to prevent and treat malaria - was administered via the named drug, Plaquenil.

The treatment was offered to 24 patients, who were among the first to become infected in the south east of France, and who had voluntarily admitted themselves to hospital for the process.

Patients were given 600mcg per day for 10 days. They were closely monitored, as the drug can interact with other medication, and cause severe side effects in some cases.

Professor Raoult said: “We included everyone who was in agreement [to be treated], which was almost everyone. Two towns in the protocol, Nice and Avignon, gave us [infected] patients who had not yet received treatment.

“We were able to ascertain that patients who had not received Plaquenil (the drug containing hydroxychloroquine) were still contagious after six days, but of those that had received Plaquenil, after six days, only 25% were still contagious.”

Chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine have previously been used to treat coronavirus patients in China, in ongoing Covid-19 clinical trials.

Kaletra, a US-based antiviral drug normally used to treat HIV, is another medicine that is being tested in the fight against Covid-19

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Mar 2020, 22:58
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21 Mar 2020, 22:58#5
So because we don’t have a 1 year long FDA test, we don’t help critical patients.  But FYI Bricey, rather than condemning the use of Chloroquine,  Fauci has just said that prescribing it remains between a doctor and his patient, and may well turn out to be helpful. His job is to provide scientific evidence.
As Fauci says the president is trying to provide hope. And the doctors in the NY hospitals feel it’s making a real difference.
Don’t pay any heed to these horrible people.
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Mar 2020, 23:16
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21 Mar 2020, 23:16#6

...sounds like The Audacity of Hope ...


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SebPro2,680 posts
22 Mar 2020, 00:27
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22 Mar 2020, 00:27#7

I find that interesting as I got malaria as a youth on the Rhodesian/Zambian border in the Zambesi Valley near Chirundu and was treated orally with malaquin. The symptoms were very similar, except for malaria more extreme. Break out of intense sweating followed by intense freezing and shivers...terrible stuff but was cured after 2 weeks and fortunately never occurred again. I was very healthy and fit at the time.

The Coronavirus symptoms appear similar but less extreme.

I wonder if there's a correlation between the 2.

Malaria is a big killer in Africa if untreated.

It sounds like they are on to something here.

They also say bats carry this virus??

The female anopheles mosquito bite causes malaria...maybe there's a strange connection somewhere?

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
22 Mar 2020, 07:41
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22 Mar 2020, 07:41#8

Finding cure for virus: BAAAD!

Bashing Trump: GOOOD!

Pretty much the vibe I'm getting from the left here.

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SebPro2,680 posts
22 Mar 2020, 08:00
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22 Mar 2020, 08:00#9

Angostura and Gordon's was a favourite drink in Rhodesia, Zambia, Kenya and central Africa.

The drink of the British Colonies...a typical scene of crabby old guys with handle bar moustaches and Oxford accents sipping their Pink Gins. The Pink was the Bitters from South America that had a curing factor for those who had contacted malaria.

I remember an old retired British Colonel like this that frequented The Old Meikles Bar in Salisbury. He came from Kenya and he was known as "Pink Gin Jackson".by his buddies.

Such characters that were very witty and amusing and reminded one of Rudyard Kipling characters. Hahaha.

Maybe a Pink Gin could bring relief from the Coronavirus.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Mar 2020, 12:20
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22 Mar 2020, 12:20#10

Tonic water apparently has some quinine in it. 

As predicted Chinese Virus has boosted Trump displaying his temarle creativity and leadership skills. His job approval rating jup show Americans appreciate his huge efforts. 

Meanwhile the stupid demonrats leaders criticised Trump for stopping travel from China, securing the borders and calling it the Chinese Virus - claiming it was racist. HAHAHAHA HOW UTTERLY ABSURD CAN YOU GET. 

These scumbags just keep siding with America's adversaries. They have gone crazy. TDS is destroying them. Hahahaha man it's hilarious.

Poor wee Brycy is far gone. He gets advised on matters by Chief Sitting Bull who Brcy regards as an excellent bone thrower! 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Mar 2020, 16:50
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22 Mar 2020, 16:50#11

Funny stuff Sebastian. I stayed with a family friend for a few days in Salisbury once....he was an ex WW2 paratrooper. When I arrived his wife told me he was in the garden. I went outside but never saw him.


Then I spotted him in a tree. He was doing practice jumps to toughen up for a return to parachute jumping, with ribs already wrapped as a result of a less than perfect practice jump.


These guys were real characters.

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SebPro2,680 posts
22 Mar 2020, 18:20
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22 Mar 2020, 18:20#12

Ja they are funny and the old colonies were their last outposts but I rather had a lot of time for these gentlemen.

Sadly most are gone today. They leave behind an era that was grand, noble and dignified and it is very sad.

To get back to the viruses, the SARS has been linked to Corona and it was suspected but not proved that pangolins and a type of mongoose/ferret were carriers.

Maybe there's an uncovered mystery there.

I surmise centuries ago when civilised man first arrived in tropical Africa and faced malaria, bl ackwater later and died they never suspected the mosquito as the beast.

The first symptoms of malaria are a damn side close to flu but then later a 1000 times worst.

In the Tropics it's intensified.

We have to find the cure.

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SebPro2,680 posts
22 Mar 2020, 18:31
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22 Mar 2020, 18:31#13

Ja they are funny and the old colonies were their last outposts but I rather had a lot of time for these gentlemen.

Sadly most are gone today. They leave behind an era that was grand, noble and dignified and it is very sad.

To get back to the viruses, the SARS has been linked to Corona and it was suspected but not proved that pangolins and a type of mongoose/ferret were carriers.

Maybe there's an uncovered mystery there.

I surmise centuries ago when civilised man first arrived in tropical Africa and faced malaria, blackwater later and died they never suspected the mosquito as the beast.

The first symtoms of malaria are a damn side close to flu but then later a 1000 times worst.

In the Tropics it's intensified.

We have to find the cure.

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