The Boer war vs the Ukranian war

The same thing really. A military power covets the assets of a neighboring territory, where some of their citizens are located. A pretext is created to invade, totally transparent, but it serves a purpose. 

Then the invasion and the conflict which is predicted to be brief. Stunningly the invaded country holds it own, forcing the invader to start a draft to beef up its resources. But still the resistance continues.

The next step in the Boer War was the scorched earth policy and the aptly named concentration camps. Call it radical tactics civilized nations don’t normally employ unless they are losing….could this be next.

Ironically the Russians biggest supporters on this Board are the descendants of the men who fought the English 125 years ago. Sad really.

Those who cannot  learn from history are doomed to repeat it…..George Santayana.

The Boer character gets on well with the Russian culture, just ask Saffas who have played club rugby there.

Earthy down to the roots character, with heritage and tradition. A yes means a yes and a no means a no. No nonsense types, straight forward, yet certainly not lacking in intelligence and practical common sense.

Less than .05 % of Russians play rugby, can you imagine if only 30% did ...they like physical confrontation but ironically not childishly aggressive and don't have short fuses. They control their emotions well but unlike the old English with stiff upper lip, they mix well if respect begets respect, sadly in England  today this has reversed to a nation of no backbone unlike the old days... with a country of licorice all sorts...the true englishman has died. Another product of new ultra liberal and woke brainwashing.

I like the Afrikaans nation very much, great nation and have no identity with modern west culture,

but with old England, old Ireland and Scotland yes, even Wales.

You obviously cannot compare the Boer War with Ukraine skirmish, not in the slightest context, the Boers were justified, Ukraine not. The Boers were good people, the Ukrainians have good people too but their government is riddled with really the most, evil and deceitful and manipulative people ever. When it all will eventually collapse, if WW3 doesn't evolve, Zelensky (if the Nazis don't top him first) will flee to one of his lairs in the Caribbean.

So the Russian Bot justifies the invasion on the basis that Ukraine has a corrupt government. 
Bombing hospitals and schools is fine. 

England should reconquer South Africa because of it's corrupt government. The Russian Bot must then be placed in a cage inside a concentration camp. 

Descendants of British people, and current British residents being treated badly can be used as the motive for invading. 

sadly in England  today this has reversed to a nation of no backbone unlike the old days... with a country of licorice all sorts...the true englishman has died. Another product of new ultra liberal and woke brainwashing.

How do you know, who told you this, do you live there?

Just applying the same logic you apply to other people commenting on Ukraine.

‘A country of no backbone’….that’s exactly what drove the Bargies to invade the Falklands and I’m sure was the prevailing view in Hitler’s circles.

Another incredible thing is  how Nutter 1 thinks everything about modern culture is bad and the old generations were these upright, moral beings. 

I sat in the expats club in Athens in 1979 listening to the Brits around me running down the Greeks, while the Greek barman was serving them their drinks. It never occurred to them it was uncouth.

In the good old days, provided you obeyed the rules the club protected you if you were a member. If you weren’t you, your children and your friends were dependent on the good will of a few decent people. And even those people expected you to stay ‘in your place.’

Well you get tangled up by perceptions, and the way you comprehend things, it really all goes back to the way you were brought up, the standards that were set and challenged by your parents, your schooling, whether you were loved or abused by your peers....you can argue and argue till cows come home but this goes now where. I have observed here for some time that nobody has ever in the slightest degree has ever won a debate or argument, not in the very slightest degree. To me it's boring and a waste of time.

All I want to add, is that I would prefer to be at some level of respect and peace with my fellowmen.

And I can honestly say, despite adversity, tragedy and trying circumstances, there has been the other side of privilege, full life and blessings bestowed upon me and I can thank my almost but not too perfect mom and dad, my school buddies and the masters of my old school, thank you, yes and very much.

You taught me to always have courage to stand up against evil, especially against lying, saying untruths about others and judging them without fully knowing. Courage, humility, truth and honesty were driven into us and were not only ideals to live by, but absolutely necessary to happy and free. Yes and I struggled and rebelled at times but as I get older and eventually applied, I am content.

There has to be some Omnipotent Being that sees such things which you cannot avoid. Just think about it.

"Ironically the Russians biggest supporters on this Board are the descendants of the men who fought the English 125 years ago. Sad really."

Er no... maybe Maaik...the rest are all Souties.

ie in the Victoria Hall on The Roll Of Honour, at Maritzburg College (started in 1863) there are both Boer and Colonial Brits ex scholars listed together. It says something surely doesn't it ?

The Senior boys both English and Boers attended the school and just after the outbreak make a pact between themselves. Those boys who were Afrikaans (Boers) at the school which was more British than the British were not ostracised at all, but respected each other and some tragically were close friends so the pact was for Boer colleagues to wear a Red Band (dominant school colours, red, black and white, red stands for blood shed shed in Zulu wars, black for the Zulus and w hite for the English)  around their right shoulder (khaki shirts) so as to avoid being responsible to shoot them. This is absolutely true and written in the history of my old school, and I am very proud of that.

How different it is today, war with extreme hatred. Incidentally, I can tell you out of the horses mouth that Russians don't hate Urainians, never have, but yes they are obsessed with hatred for Nazi's that killed 24 million of them in WW2. If you are an honest man can you understand that???

This 'special operation' has been responsible for killing at least 477 children.

Wonder what Jesus thinks about this wilful slaughter of the innocent.

The Lord Jesus Christ obviously loves little ones, as He said, suffer the little children to come unto Me, forbid them not for such is the Kingdom of God. He knows everything, every circumstance and is the ultimate Judge.  All children are innocent (before the age of accountability) and if they pass on they go directly to "paradise" a happiness far beyond our deepest imagination, far better than anywhere none of us can ever comprehend, It is only when we can be accountable, and only God determines that to make a choice of accepting or rejecting determines every ones eternity. God judges precisely and accurately, certainly. Accountability means when we are challenged to make a choice to either repent of our disbelief and sins and accept His gift of Redemption on the cross at Calvary. There might well be other circumstances other than that but that's God's judgement. True Christians trust His judgements and know He is perfect.

Two wrongs never make a right.

But understand that many children are victims of war and other atrocities, not to mention, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Libya, Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Horn of Africa...too many to count.

Nothing escapes God, that you can be VERY sure of. God is no respecter of persons. He knows everything. Man judges falsely by flimsy means and is often wrong. Big surprises happen to those who know NOT Him by choice.

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Moz, I agree with the Boer war analogy and like that, this can only end one way...almost complete destruction of a nation...I really hope I'm wrong.

Mozart

There is a bit of info.    In the Anglo Boer War there was a Russian Commando fighting on the side o the Boers.   On the request of his sister Xenia and her husband Sandro the Emporer Nicholas II wrote to Queen Victoria to try and stop the Anglo-Boer War.   However, Queen Victoria could do nothing about stopping the War.  

I am not supporting Russia or Putin - I support peace negotiations sabotaged by the USA.   Like the Rusisan Royal Family I am against the present war which could escalate into WW3.    

By the way SB in his normal style talk about 477 children killed in Ukraine.   What about the more than 16 000 children who died in the concentration camps in the Anglo-Boer War?     My Grandmother was the cousin of General Dan Pienaar - SA commander of WW2 in North Africa.  General Pienaar father was a Commandant in the Free State and his wife and 8 children were sent to the Pietermaritzburg concentration camp - where 6 of the children died.  General Pieenaar hated the English as much as the rest of the family did.    General Smuts had to go north a number of times to calm down the relationship between the SA army commanders and the English Generals.    In the end  General Pienaar died in a plane on the way back to SA  and until her death my grandmother believed the plane was sabotaged and her cousin murdered by the English.    The plane was never found.

Mozart

There is a bit of info.    In the Anglo Boer War there was a Russian Commando fighting on the side o the Boers.   On the request of his sister Xenia and her husband Sandro the Emporer Nicholas II wrote to Queen Victoria to try and stop the Anglo-Boer War.   However, Queen Victoria could do nothing about stopping the War.  

I am not supporting Russia or Putin - I support peace negotiations sabotaged by the USA.   Like the Rusisan Royal Family I am against the present war which could escalate into WW3.    

By the way SB in his normal style talk about 477 children killed in Ukraine.   What about the more than 16 000 children who died in the concentration camps in the Anglo-Boer War?     My Grandmother was the cousin of General Dan Pienaar - SA commander of WW2 in North Africa.  General Pienaar father was a Commandant in the Free State and his wife and 8 children were sent to the Pietermaritzburg concentration camp - where 6 of the children died.  General Pieenaar hated the English as much as the rest of the family did.    General Smuts had to go north a number of times to calm down the relationship between the SA army commanders and the English Generals.    In the end  General Pienaar died in a plane on the way back to SA  and until her death my grandmother believed the plane was sabotaged and her cousin murdered by the English.    The plane was never found.

"What about the more than 16 000 children who died in the concentration camps in the Anglo-Boer War? "

Probably much more...the Brits won.

Rooi, wit en blou is die Engelse gebrou…. countered by Afrikaners Vrot bananas. I lived it in Springs. My bike ride home from school through Afrikaner territory was a tense affair.  The Cape was a much milder environment.

We had an English kids in primary school, so we played rugby in the same teams...best way to get rid of your inherited prejudice at an early age...and the English girls were more relaxed...

Dream on Vrot Banana….those English girls were just leading you on.

 I married one.......although she's more "Afrikaans" than some Afrikaans people I know.

No wonder you’re always on the fence!

Globalists and their infatuation with tales, storytelling and narratives.

The Boer war vs rhe war in Iraq. The Boer war vs the war in Yemen. The Boer war vs the war in Nyamnar.

tell that to the woman and children who died in the concentration camps...no tale to them.

I know nothing of this rag:

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As Zelenskyy continues to drive Ukraine further into complete destruction, it’s only a matter of time before he is either killed in the process of conflict or at the hands of his own people.

The constant flow of young Ukrainians being sent into an impossible and suicidal confrontation with Russian Forces is being seriously questioned among Ukrainians.

They are seeing the return from the Battlefields of tens of thousands of Bodybags and Coffins containing the remains of their loved ones. Fathers, husbands, and sons."

LINK

I know nothing of this rag:

Why link to it so.

Took a quick look at and it looks at the link and it content l ooks like absolute garbage.

"Why link to it so."

1. I don't expect too much extreme views from the Scotts 
2. I liked the caricature of Pretensky. 
3. It might trigger a response which will result in me learning something new.
4. The caricature was funny.
5. It raises a question which Western media seems to be ignoring.

So Ukraine now sent 2 drones to bomb the Kremlin.    Nobody who has not been to the Kremlin knows what it really entails.    It is a collection of museums, churches and palaces set in a parklike environment surrounded by a wall.    Although there are guards regulating entry  that is rather superficial and does not stop entry into the area.   There are normally substantial number of tourists in the area.   

Every substantial city and town in Russia has a Kremlin - although not on the scale of Moscow.  construction on the Kremlin started under the Grand Pince of Moscow in the early 14th century - the idea at the time was to built a castle as the last level of defense of the city. and the center of the ruling of the principality.    Dmitry Donskoi was the first Russian who managed to defeat the Golden Horde  in a battle that took place on the river Don - hence the addition to his name.   After him the Kremlin was gradually developed into a administrative center of the principality.

With development of weaponry the Kremlin lost its  defensive capacity.    The Kremlin even less its administrative capacity important when Peter the  Greart moved the capital of Russia from Moscow to St Petersburg n the early 18th century.   Under all subsequent rulers the Kremlin was used when the Emperors/Empresses visited Moscow.     

When the Communists moved the capital to Moscow the initial administration usage of the Kremlin - but gradually moved the administrative usage to other buildings all over Moscow.    At present the Kremlin is just a museum area  and not much more.    An attack on the Kremlin will be symbolic and that is the end of a story and not of any value at all.                            

I think we have reached a point of madness that the chances of WW3 are 90% or even more eminent.

Philistine dolts don't realise or understand this...it's looks like the thin red line has been breached.

Kremlin and Red Square, Moscow - UNESCO World Heritage Centre

I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Top Russian MP calls for use of weapons ‘capable of destroying Kiev regime’

State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin has branded Ukraine a terrorist state after a failed drone attack on the Kremlin

Top Russian MP calls for use of weapons ‘capable of destroying Kiev regime’

Senior Russian lawmaker Vyacheslav Volodin has called on Moscow to use any weapons necessary to remove the “Nazi regime” in Kiev. The comments followed a failed Ukrainian drone attack on the Kremlin that allegedly targeted President Vladimir Putin in the early hours of Wednesday morning. 

“The terrorist act against the president is an attack on Russia,” Volodin, who serves as State Duma chairman, said in a Telegram post.

“ Zelensky, who gave orders to carry out terrorist attacks, now stands on a par with other international terrorists,” he added, referring to the Ukrainian president. Volodin claimed that the government in Kiev is as dangerous as groups such as Al-Qaeda and Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS).

He further alleged that Ukraine’s “criminal methods” have become evident to the entire world, accusing it of tactics including nuclear blackmail, the assassination of public and political figures, the sabotage of civilian infrastructure, and attempts on Putin’s life.

“The Kiev terrorist regime, having seized an entire state, threatens the security of Russia, Europe, and the whole world,” the Duma official added. He insisted that Western nations which are pumping Zelensky’s government with weapons are now “direct accomplices” to terrorist activities.

Volodin proclaimed that there “can be no negotiations with the Zelensky regime” following the attempted attack on the Kremlin, and vowed that Russian lawmakers will “demand the use of weapons capable of stopping and destroying the Kiev terrorist regime.”

2 Drones sent to Moscow, vs a full scale invasion of Ukraine... and the Ukrainians are the terrorists?

All the problems in life come from lack of respect, and distrust, and inability and lack of empathy to understand and slothful and wilful ignorance.

Answer a question and give an honest answer (if that is indeed possible)...what would happen if some country nuked the White House, Washington, the Vatican or Westminister?

What comes around goes around !

Do unto others....as you would like them to do unto you, so don't rant and rave when it comes back to you, 10 fold or more and you can be very sure it will.

The gloves are now off.

Drunkard?  Hahahaha.

Delusional, hallucinating,  lunatic. I don't even drink alcohol anymore. Coming from you it's not surprising.

Now tell the new posters how honest you are and DA what insight you have.

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rooinek/honesty---/29570

Hahahahahahahaha.

It seems Russia might have staged the whole thing….and Putin wasn’t there.

Mozart

It is obvious that Putin would not be in the Kremlin - it is only used for some ceremonial occurrences - not or any normal administrative processes.    There s a building  quite far away from the Kremlin called the "White House" - which was the seat of the Russian Federation and still is the key to the present Russian Government operation.   

You may have seen the attempt by the Communists to remain in power when Gorbachov was still President and on vacation in the Crimea.   They sent troops to occupy the "White House" and thousands of protestors gathered in the area.   The soldiers refused to act against the protestors - and the Communist regime fell soon afterwards,   

When I was in Moscow in 1993 there were still slight damage to the White House in evidence.   However, if anybody is looking for Putin - that is where he would be found.   

What will really be terrorist activity  would be to use drones to spread pathogens from the many Biolabs in Ukraine controlled and funded by the US Government.   that is a very real danger for the world and especially Europe if the Wuh an Lab originated Covid is anything to go by.