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The Covid Agenda...what's really going on?

Started by DbDraad22 REPLIES722 VIEWS· 13 Feb 2022, 10:20
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Feb 2022, 10:20
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13 Feb 2022, 10:20#1

"The South African GP who first raised the alarm about Omicron says she was pressured by governments "not to publicly state that it was a mild illness".

Dr Angelique Coetzee told Germany's Die Welt newspaper this week that European governments asked her to portray the new strain as just as serious as previous Covid-19 variants, including Delta.

"I was told not to publicly state that it was a mild illness," she said. "I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined."

Asked what she meant, Coetzee said "based on the clinical picture there are no indications that we are dealing with a very serious disease".

"The course is mostly mild," she said.

"I'm not saying you won't get sick if you're mild. The definition of mild Covid-19 disease is clear, and it is a WHO definition – patients can be treated at home and oxygen or hospitalisation is not required. A serious illness is one in which we see acute pulmonary respiratory infections – people need oxygen, maybe even artificial respiration. We saw that with Delta, but not with Omicron. So I said to people, 'I can't say it like that because it's not what we're seeing.'"

Coetzee said "they tried" to prevent her from telling the truth but "they will not silence me".

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Feb 2022, 10:22
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13 Feb 2022, 10:22#2

 LINK

Why all the fearmongering?

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Feb 2022, 10:54
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13 Feb 2022, 10:54#3
Slowly but surely the shit is coming out.!
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SebPro2,680 posts
13 Feb 2022, 14:21
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13 Feb 2022, 14:21#4

Fear tactics to create confusion...controling methods used by governments to manipulate the mass into compliance...hence to fulfill their hidden agendas.

In nature predators use panic to make intended prey vulnerable and easy to get...ie a jackal in a flock of sheep or a pride of lions on a herd of antelope.

Politicians struggling to maintain power and control are not much different.

Look at that "Poople' Trudeau in Canada, but Canucks have cottoned on to it...he is doomed.

Most of the leaders today are pooples.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
13 Feb 2022, 19:07
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13 Feb 2022, 19:07#5

Or more likely they asked the doctor to tone it down about the reduced death rate until more data was collected across multiple countries to ascertain the data. 

South Africa may have already had over 70% of the population infected prior to Omicron, they have a younger population - so their reduced death numbers may not have looked as good in other countries. Scientists did say that the early data looked positive, but just tone it down until this was established as fact across multiple countries in different situations, or even those on a like for like basis. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Feb 2022, 19:34
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13 Feb 2022, 19:34#6

They asked her to lie...and you seem to agree...for the Greater Good...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Feb 2022, 07:45
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14 Feb 2022, 07:45#7

The fact is that fearmongering is the modern way of politicians to control people and for unscrupulous  like the big pharma institutions to make money,   The media has a major role in that.     I doubt not that the politicians are behind the manipulating for their own political and financial benefit.

In many ways scaremongering is part of the global warming idea as well.   Both are issues that should never be politicized in the way it is.   People are being  manipulated and life is made very difficult by the manipulators for the ordinary people - for instance inflation is caused by Covid while the issue is in fact the result of government mismanagement of the economy.

Whenever people speak out against it they are  called science-deniers, racists, fascists and traitors/domestic terrorists and worse.    Freedom of speech is a danger that must be avoided at all time, so any adverse opinion of scientists are ignored or manipulated as well.   The above is a typical example.           .        

      

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
14 Feb 2022, 12:08
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14 Feb 2022, 12:08#8

Did they ask her to lie to maintain the high level of concern around Covid.....

If you tell everyone that this recent strain is nothing at all to be concerned about, everyone would just drop their guards and recklessly carry on regardless...... which I guess in the long term would also maybe not even be a bad thing....

However, even if that was the case, I don't trust anything at all these days..... there is just far too much money to be made out of Covi d to trust any individual person, organization or government

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Feb 2022, 14:58
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14 Feb 2022, 14:58#9

"If you tell everyone that this recent strain is nothing at all to be concerned about, everyone would just drop their guards and recklessly carry on regardless..."

No, you tell the truth regardless of the projected outcome. If you start lying to people for their own good, the truth normally gets out and nobody ever believes you again. People want to be informed and responsible. It's not nice being lied to.

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Feb 2022, 15:57
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14 Feb 2022, 15:57#10

Exactly...the problem is so-called authorities lie so often about virtually everything that nobody trusts them...what a wonderful lady that doctor in Pretoria is...the type I'd like as my GP...in the old days there were quite a few with this int egrity and calibre...now they are like hen's teeth.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
14 Feb 2022, 17:46
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14 Feb 2022, 17:46#11

Money, money and more money is all that is required for most politicians and medical opinions.

The Covid 19 saga is the most recent one and still ongoing.

Just shows the flawed oversight into both the political and medical avenues in allowing this to continue unabated.

Shocking and disturbing.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Feb 2022, 19:26
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14 Feb 2022, 19:26#12

There is a media report that indicated that the Democrats fleeced  $100 million  from the Covid aid funds,   Beside there are also indications of massive kickbacks to politicians from Big Pharma - so it is likely that Covid is a free for all when it comes to the Biden administration looting through kickbacks  program.   

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Feb 2022, 08:37
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15 Feb 2022, 08:37#13

"No, you tell the truth regardless of the projected outcome. If you start lying to people for their own good, the truth normally gets out and nobody ever believes you again. People want to be informed and responsible. It's not nice being lied to"

Lying about Covid is probably one of the least worrying things that we experience at the moment

There are literally thousand of issues that have been happening for decades now, that we have been lied to about......so let's not pretend that lying to the public is a big issue now.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Feb 2022, 09:05
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15 Feb 2022, 09:05#14
There’s never a good excuse for asking scientists to lie.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Feb 2022, 09:06
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15 Feb 2022, 09:06#15
There’s never a good excuse for asking scientists to lie.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Feb 2022, 11:03
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15 Feb 2022, 11:03#16

I fully agree

However, when one looks at what the past and current governments around the world do, every day, and to what extent they lie to and manipulate their citizens, I honestly believe this actually pales in comparison.

Poverty

Disease 

Clean Water - Sanitation 

Health Care

Imagine what state the world would be in right now, if the money from the last 2 years alone, that was thrown directly at Covid..... was allocated to just these 4 issues listed above.

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SebPro2,680 posts
15 Feb 2022, 13:10
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15 Feb 2022, 13:10#17

Ja, so much deception and lies...governments, politicians and unethical media in everything.

The present worse one and most serious one of all is the president of USA and his toadies ie that Russia is going to attack Ukraine...LOL, it's hard to believe that people are so stupid to swallow such utter garbage. But people do.

Another fear tactic...but when you practise to deceive what a tangled web you weave...it all comes out in the end and starts off another set of lies to cover up the loss of face.  


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2022, 14:12
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15 Feb 2022, 14:12#18

The Canada Government has  followed Biden's advice and declared a state of emergency to deal with the protests - a dictatorial method to say the least.   Canada is going dictatorial even faster than the USA.

The fact is that with the mid-term election now less than 9 months away if things go south as they are at present. one can be sure that the Democrats will use their terrorist subsidiaries BLM and Antifa to riot again and may then declare a state of emergency and suspend the mid=term elections to 2023.

That will be a sure sign that in  the USA the Democratic Party dictatorship plans are finally implemented,  

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Feb 2022, 18:08
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15 Feb 2022, 18:08#19

"There are literally thousand of issues that have been happening for decades now, that we have been lied to about......so let's not pretend that lying to the public is a big issue now."


Ofcourse it's been issue for decades...all around the world...Bigger government leads to bigger corruption and lies. 

Th e bigger the gap in income becomes and the higher the levels of poverty are, the less effective democracy will be...a more progressive social society will lead to over regulations and taxation and ultimately to the implosion of society as we know it...it's inevitable. 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Feb 2022, 08:27
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16 Feb 2022, 08:27#20

It would be great to see governments around the world attacking those issues I mentioned above, just as aggressively as they have attacked the Covid pandemic.

Sadly, it will never.. ever happen

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SebPro2,680 posts
18 Feb 2022, 14:55
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18 Feb 2022, 14:55#21

My Corona Home:

https://youtu.be/0uDTs-9fq00

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Feb 2022, 18:11
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18 Feb 2022, 18:11#22
"Sama board chair Dr Angelique Coetzee resigns

Citizen Reporter

Sama's current vice-chairperson Dr Mvuyisi Mzukwa will assume the role of interim board chairperson.

Former Sama board chair Dr Angelique Coetzee. Picture: Twitter

Dr Angelique Coetzee, the chairperson of the South African Medical Association (Sama) board, has stepped down from the position with immediate effect.

The Sama made the announcement on Friday, saying Coetzee informed the association of her resignation during its board meeting on Thursday night. She will remain an ordinary member of the Sama board.

“The current vice-chairperson of the Sama board, Dr Mvuyisi Mzukwa, will assume the role of interim chairperson while the board contemplates Dr Coetzee’s permanent replacement,” Sama said in a statement.

Dr Edward Ngwenya, the chairperson of Sama’s chairperson’s forum, will assume the role of interim vice-chairperson.

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Controversy

While Sama did not reveal the reasons behind Coetzee’s resignation, last week she apologised unreservedly for her remarks during an interview in January on CapeTalk, relating to admission requirements to medical schools in South Africa.

During the interview, Coetzee expressed personal opinions that the admission processes to medical schools was highly politicised.

She claimed that race played a significant role in deter mining acceptance to medical faculties, saying that in many instances the applicant’s matric performance was not considered, and that different criteria existed for different race groups.

Sama distanced itself from Coetzee’s views and said they were unfortunate.

“The association appreciates the painful history of South Africa, and therefore empathises with the hurt and anger the unfortunate remarks by Dr Coetzee may have caused to doctors and the general population in the country.

“Sama, moreover, distances itself from the statement made by Dr Coetzee as it does not represent the ethos of the association and the democratic principles it stands for,” Sama said in a statement at the time.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Feb 2022, 21:25
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18 Feb 2022, 21:25#23
Unfortunate = True Your surgeon barely passed matric…what’she worst that could happen? Just a few more months here for me. Counting the damn seconds. …and I won’t be paying a penny’s worth of tax when I go. Thank you BitCoin and decentralised exchanges.
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