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The German Bundestag Election on 23 February 2025

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Feb 2025, 10:55
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09 Feb 2025, 10:55#1

There are signs that the present Governing parties are collapsing faster and faster. About a week ago an independent opinion polls body from the USA caused media panic and since then the poll report was removed from the internet.

So what did the polls found that shocke h Germans and the left of center media found so shocking:-

What came out in the relevant poll was the following:-

Support in 2021 Support in 2025

CDU - CSU 28% 28%

AfD 9% 26%

Socialists 29% 15%

Greens 16% 13%

Free Democrats 12% 4% *

  1. If correct the Free Demcorts will have no members in the Reichstag in future

When asked who should become Chancellor the finding was as follows:-

AfD leader - 35%

CDU-CSU leader 25 %

Sociilist leader 15%

Greens 9%

Since the media had polls done that shows the same order of Party support - but reducing the AfD support by 5% nd pushing up the CDU-CSU support by 3% and the Socilists by the same percentage and the Greens by 2%,

The main polls came from Politico and the Guardian and we will have to see which polls are actually correct and whether it s so wildly out as was the case was as wildly out as the US election was in November. It is only 14 days to go before the election and we will know by Monday 24 February what the final election outcome was, In the USA it takes up to three weeks to count votes - it takes the Germans 6 hours to do the same.

The only stable Govenment will essntially be a coalition beteen the CDU-CSU and the AfD - any coalition with the lelftist Green idiologues will destroy party support for coalition parners as happened with the Socialists and Free Democrats while the ultra leftist ideology of the Greens destroy not the limited number of people supprting it be rather stable - while it destroyed their coaition partners.

What caused further fears and havoc is that the traditional elderly members keep supporting te party they were supporting for decades - while the younger voters are defecting from the main stream Parties, Musk is also muddying the wates for the other parties and openly supporting the AfD. and younger people believe what X discussions are revealing. In a panic the present Chancellor called for an invesigation of Musk's inteference in the German election, That is leading to changed voter support in both the USA and now in Gerrmany.

What is bothering German voters are the same that bothered the US voters in Novmber - it entails the present open boarder policies of the EU - non productive green policies drivng servcie costs up drastically - suffering of Germans caused by the Ukraine War and the Woke ideas that is xdestroying German culture and history.

Trump himself is not meddling in the German election - but his leadership is going to infunce forming of a Coalition Government in Germany.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Feb 2025, 11:15
#2
09 Feb 2025, 11:15#2

The German Reichstag?

Is that a Freudain Slip or you just being an idiot or both.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Feb 2025, 11:22
#3
09 Feb 2025, 11:22#3

That is waht he Germans call their Parliament - I now it is a hisorical description and therefore unacceptable to the Woke adherents  on site,

  

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Feb 2025, 11:47
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09 Feb 2025, 11:47#4

That is waht he Germans call their Parliament - I now it is a hisorical description and therefore unacceptable to the Woke adherents  on site,

That would be news to the Germans. They call it the Bundestag.

If you know that is an historical name why did you use it over the modern name?

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Feb 2025, 11:53
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09 Feb 2025, 11:53#5

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What is the Reichstag and why is it important?       Reichstag, building in Berlin that is the meeting place of the Bundestag (“Federal Assembly”), the lower house of Germany's national legislature. One of Berlin's most famous landmarks, it is situated at the northern end of the Ebertstrasse and near the south bank of the Spree River."   Freudian slip?...you accusing Mike of 3Reich tendencies?
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Feb 2025, 12:10
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09 Feb 2025, 12:10#6

Reichstag, building in Berlin that is the meeting place of the Bundestag (“Federal Assembly”), the lower house of Germany's national legislature.

I am aware of what the building is called, but the German parliament is called the Bundestag and no one in Germany refers to the elections as Reichstag's elections.

Mike was referring to the parliament, not the building and said he knew it was an historical name, curious why does someone go out of their way to use a historical name.

I mean wouldn't you find it odd if someone referred to Vietnam as French Indo-China?

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Feb 2025, 12:52
#7
09 Feb 2025, 12:52#7

How amny times have you been to Germany and spoke to ordinary Germans on issues?   I went to germany four times - one ofw ich was toa drdress an interntional conference in Bremen and the other times when I went as part of,holidays and one of m y best frieds is a German.   I was and is not inmpressed with the BS media you quote from - I talked to ordinary residents and that is what I believe in.   Even te Parliament building  is still called the Reichstag building  in Germany.   

Irespective of what the Germans call their Parliament - what the item is about is the upcoming election and hat the Coalition Govrnment will look like fourteen days fom now,

There sia  clique of Greens supporters thatis idealogically bound to te Greens and thos brainwashed idiots will be lieve them - but for he rest of the Germans a Coalition with the Greens is destroying themselves,    The Socialist lost 14% support since 2021 and now stands at 15% - an the Free Democrats  gone dwn from 12% in 2021 to 4% at present.

Even 3% of the brainwashed idiots supporting the Greens has grown up and start thinking for themselves, 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Feb 2025, 14:18
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09 Feb 2025, 14:18#8

When you call a simple error a Freudian slip, you imply something more than just pointing out an error.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Feb 2025, 15:36
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09 Feb 2025, 15:36#9

The far left Marxist Globalists have for years tried to paint the AFD as far right, Nazis etc etc. As they try to smear anybody who disagrees with their woke lunacy. 

However the sound common sense pro German policies of the AFD have resonated with the German People and it would not be a surprise if they turn out to soon be the biggest party in Germany.

As with Trump and RFK, the democracy loving,  censorship loving leftists wanted to ban the AFD. But the AFD rightly is too popular. 

Musk being the intelligent man he is, is absolutely right in saying that the AFD is the party to save Germany from the nation destroying open border Globalist parties in Germany. 

I don't think the censorship loving Germany government will risk the wrath of President Trump and censor X.

Very pleasing to see the Conservatives in Canada projected to win 220 seats. Only need 172 are needed for a majority.

Bye the way Mike I do hope you are keeping abrest of the astonishing levels of corruption being found by DOGE!!! USAID  have been funding left wing propaganda new organisation's like Politico. 

If you are not up to date I have numerous clips I could post here. It's not only USAID. Terrible corruption found at Medicare/Medicaid etc. 

Trump is cutting off the Globalist funding sources. 

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Feb 2025, 16:08
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09 Feb 2025, 16:08#10

I m pretty aware of major fraud invovled in USAID and the Soros criminal in funding US AD's he supported financially to run in elections.  I am also aware that both the Health Department and USAID double-funded the Gain-of-function research  at the Wuhan Lab.   

See what I wrote abour Dear Leader Schiff so much admired by Rooinek.   It is likely that he got huncreds of milions in kicbacks from Ukraine.  In his case he will end up in a jail senence of at least 30 years - but the guy that will be punished worse would be George Soros with his US Citizenship cancelled and the whole family sent packing to either Hungary or Israel - they would not be happy with having that Communist and Nazi crook living  in their countries outside of JAIL.

There is just one other aspect to be cleared up and that is who is funding the bio-labs in Ukraine which TRump is bound to shut down the moment Gabbard's appointment has been approved,

 

The corruption driven war inm Ukraine is going to end as well.   I am not sorry  for the political and bureaucrtic thieves as  well 

  

      

 

           

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
10 Feb 2025, 05:51
#11
10 Feb 2025, 05:51#11

Shame on you.

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Feb 2025, 10:19
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10 Feb 2025, 10:19#12

Shame on you for supporting bribery and coruption in the USA. Take fo instance the Defense Department - after not being audited since 2003 - with the wars invovling te U SA in Iraq and Afghanistan - the Republican Party threatened not to approve te DOD budget unless proper auditing started in 2024. In the end there have been 7 of te 11 components of the audit program reported on. Not in a single of the seven reports the DOD showed that there were not bribery and corruption invovled.

Taking into account the reports already submitted the total of $250 billion of the $825 billion budget approved for 2024 was spent - but there were no proof what was paid for and to whom payments were made.


It is unheard in audits that such a siuation is possible in a property run institution that such a situation arose, In a State Department like DOD such a situation is unheard of in any democracy in the world, It is clear that he problem is dee and corrupion limitless.


Unles that situation is corrected and proper controls implemented the US Army is destroyed from within and China and Russia will do as they please worldwide, That is why Trump knew what was going on and has no option but to get rid of coruption in the DOD . Milley went on an election campaign agains t Trump to protect his corrupt and realizng the Democrats was going to lose - he resigned at thee end of October 2024. The mn is corrupt scum and assuch wa pardoned by the corrupt Biden.


I believe corruption is totally out of control in the USA Federal Government and whether anbody would be able to stop it because it is potected by the most corrupt poltical Party in the history of fhe USA.

That accounts for the hysteria levels certain Tump nominees encountered at nominee questioning time by the Democrats bothered by the fact that backhanders will be exposed and them going to jail as a result. If they are by chance not invovled in corruption they are trying to save their colleagues from prosecution. It is a sick system that is ruining he USA and can only lead to disaste fpr democacies worldwide,


So - do you supprt corruption in Govenment pr do you oppose it? That is a simple question and the answer is either YES or NO . If the anser is deductd from your comments you obviously suppor corruption and you hate exposure of corruption in the USA. .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Feb 2025, 12:48
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10 Feb 2025, 12:48#13

Politico is trying to get a Coalition between the CSU-CDU and the Socialist going - but such a coalition will not have majority in Parliament. So that ooalition is dead in the water to start with,

So their next effort is that the Free Democrats got 5% support in the election - thus getting seats in Parliament.

There next hope is to get both the Socialists an Greens in a Coalition. The German voters hates the Greens for driving them down the drain and any Party in cahoots with them faces self destruction like happened in the case of of he Socialists and the Free Demoncrats since 2021.

I think the SDU in Bavaria are going to boycott any coalition with the Greens and that will leave the new coaltitona as having a majority in Prliament. and it will be back to zero since Merz will not split the CDU and CSU alliance since it will self-destruct his CSU party as well.

So whae will a new Government in Germany will look like. The fear that the CDU-CSU get 28% of the vote and the AfD 26% to 27% of the vote is driving the leftist media crazy.

So the final advice by Trump on the issue is going to be very important,

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2025, 12:25
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12 Feb 2025, 12:25#14

To stopa gument ona sideshow I changed the heading


However the situation is that the media calls anything more consevatie than they believe in s Nazi supporters, That really is total BS - whether .in Germany, France and the USA.. The moment anybody is agaibnst Open Borders and leftist ideology the opnents are called racists, Nazi's and other BS organizations. He did nothing to justify bein g called a Nazi and is now a repected political leade in Austria and most of Europe and will be back as Austrian Chacello pretty soon.


An example was previous Pime Minister Kurz - who was called a Nazi by the media in the past. During his Chancellorship days e did nothing to justify being called a Nazi and was a repecte person in ustria, he did a lot of good for evebody. For instance 30% of the population of Vienna are Muslims - yet you neve hear of Muslim reactionaries in the city because of progress in advancing Austrian culture and norms in that community.


Like most people in Austria the Muslim population has rather been absorbed in h e general population and not trned into enemies of Austria. In Kurz latrest omments he called Merkel;s Open Border policies te reason for the major growth of AfD and that is inded a problem.


Another issue is that the younger population are becoming opposed to the situation developed since the 1950's based on a guilt process - which younge people refusing to b blamed for wht t their grea grand ad grand people did 80 years ago and they regad that as a situation where they think beyond the present party-poliitical nonsense,


I think the problem is well-described in the following article of the BBC on the issue. many youger supportes are not farright as th BBC tried to make them out to be. They obviousl have other concerned than the guilt-feeling used by some of the othe parties,


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy082dn7rkqo


As an example the present efforgt by Trump to wipe out corruption and maladministration in the USA is now called by the Democrats and the leftist media a "Constitutional crisis". It is nothing bar political BS and a ear that invovlement in criminal charge are being regarded as one by both politicals and bureaucrats - hence the latest BS.


The fact that the yout hful voters deserted from the US Democratc Party caused amjo election loses by the Democrats and they f obviouslly fear that the same would hppaen in Germany.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Feb 2025, 14:22
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14 Feb 2025, 14:22#15

An Ahghan "refugee drove a car into a crowd of people in Munich imjirommg seriously 38 people. There has been attacks like that on a number o occasions thie past two years and there go anoother 3% of the vote to the AfD - which might end up as the majority Party in the Bundestag/



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 02:10
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15 Feb 2025, 02:10#16

Won't that make your day ?

Probably find you goose-stepping around Riversdale.in celebration


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Feb 2025, 09:51
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15 Feb 2025, 09:51#17

BB

Unlike you I prefer law and order as essential for surviving of DEMOCRACY - you obviously beleive otherwise,


I do not like ou dance in the streets because hundreds of people died in a war that should have been avoided through negiotiation.


Ilegal migraion in he USA was turned into chaos in the USA as was the case in Europe, People live in fea as a resukt and that has political cnsequences, I just pointed out that what happened will have politicaconsquencs in the eections now 7 days away. That does not apply in your wokd of beleivess and definitely leds to dancing in the strees by criminals like the case is at present in the USA whe it coms to he DP> . .

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Feb 2025, 11:07
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15 Feb 2025, 11:07#18

143 nations condemned an illegal invasion , 6 or 7 supported Russia......... ffs. you pride yourself on being a gambling man ... what's the odds you're supporting evil ?

Shame, that you're a dirty minded ole oom.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Feb 2025, 03:34
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16 Feb 2025, 03:34#19

Zero - I also codemned he invasion originally and later srtudied what really happened nad said all along that it was beause e USA sabotaged the peace talks repetaedly. Shame ia all yours because you are supporting bribery and corruption in Ukraine and Washington - I have nothing to be ashamed of - you have a hell of a lot to be ashaned of,


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