The Iran Saga

Lets gp back in hstory a bit. In 1953 there were unrest in Iran under the then Shah and the USSR were behind it, The Shah beleves n modernization fo Iran from an extreme religious ideology and that had the support of the Muslim ideology. So in the ned the Churchill and Eisenhower Governments intervened and suported the S hh in a battle th the extreme leftist amd religious ideology who won the election - ad the election results were nullified with the Shah reamining in power. Not Democratic - but part of the idiology of westen supremacy at the time.

So some along 1977 - the political climate in the USA and UK changed and from Great Britain the country became leftist in outlook. The Ayatollah fled to the UK and from their he prganized riots in Teheran - all in the anme of DEMOCACY. In the USA a very decent and honest President was in charge and the last thing he would do was to support the Shah, The Shah fed to Eqypt abd the Labor Party Regime in the UJ send the Ayatollah back ti estabish a democratic govrnmetn in Iran - or so they believed would be he caase.

However - life is not tha easy. The Ayatollah hates the west as heathens and his G overnment became vicious soon after getting into poweer, Being religious extremist to the core they soonm turnmed on th weak by kind US President, So the Ayatollah Government through the Mosques organized an attack on the USA Embassy in Teheran and occupied it, US staff were held prissoner in he Embassy and Iranian staff was executed by the fanatical Muslim regime.

In the end he Carer Administration sent in some helicopters to save he USA Emabassys taff and as exoected it was poorly organized and collapsed amd the Iran Government captured the soldiers invovled, Carter lost the 1980 elections and Reagan as the new President firced he Iran Ayatollah regime to release the Embassy staff, In the emantime weith the help of the USSR Government assisted Iran to srebgthn the Iarn army and the Ayatollah viewed that a war against Iraq was essential under Saddam Hussein. So Hussein became the top most ally in the USA and But Iraq under Hussein were n idiots at all, The War between Iran and Iraq ended into a deadlock - but isolated sporaduc attacks became the norm.

In the 1980's the combination of eagan hd a nire determined program in mind and that ws the destruc tion of the Communist regime in the USSR and with pressure applu and a weak leadership in Russia that abpjective a achieved, A the time Western Europe got their oil needs from S audi Arabia, the Gulf States and Kuweit. With America in his pocket - or so did he believed, So Husseins army atacked Kuweit and Bish senior sent in the USA Army to drive out the Ira army from Kuweit - so Hussein;s arny was drien out of Kuweit and sanctions inntroduced against Hussein.

Now back to Irn, The A yatollah dictaotirship beecame increasing unpopular. In 2009 ant Gornment prottsts ssrtedc in Iran and in initial reports Obama seemed to be somewha symphetic to the protestors and the Iran A yatollahregme a in seious trouble. In true bama nature came out and he went into normal routine - there were more corupt beneofts in delin g with the A yatolla h Government, In modern terms a corupt relations hip between the A yatollah Regime and the Obama A dminis a tion took off, Obam's sympathy with the Ayatollah ended up in neogitations with the Ayatollah Regime ad in exc h na g of major corruption negotiations with the A yatollah Regime started with the Obama Adminsitration throwing the otestors under the bus. 40 000 protestors wer killed by the murderous regime - but Obama was more interested to get the A yatolah regime to by treaty stop the developmen of nuclear arms y Iran than whatever happened o the protesters and a phony agreement on uranium enrichment was signed and in return the Iranians eould get %400 000 million paidd for by the Shah for airplanes was to be returned to Iran. Finme and Obama decided to add interest to the amount due and sent $1,8 bilion to Iran as payment offor the frozen $400 million. In a weird arab gements the money was withdrawn and $1,8 billion was wihdrawn and sent in cash to Teheran. The A yatollah gave a receipt for receving $1,8 billion - but later on a senior Government official of Irans aid the actual amount revceived was $1,352 billion - the rest of the money vanished into thin air.

In return the Iran Government allowed inspection of sites where uranium enrichment took place and according to reports Iran complied with the enrichment agreement. In actual fact all that happened was the uranium enrichment sites moved to what the Ayatollah Regime was classed as army bases were international inspections were not allowed. A major part of the monmey supplied by the US Government went to terrorists spported by the Iran Government. In 2018 Trump scratched the agrement that was never adhered to by the Ayatollah Regime and went dfurther had got Conmgress t pass an Act that let to freezing of all dolalrs apid to Iran when it came toexports, When teh Butcher of Tehean - responsible for the murder pf te 40 000 protestors in 2009 - being incharge of terrorism all over the ME and North Africa visited Iraq Trump sen hinm to the Muslim heabv=en where 72 vrgins was wait for him. The USA media went into hysterics ad claimed Solemeini was a wonderful family man murdered by Trump.

Ina rare moment of hnesty Obama apolgized in 2022 that it as a mitake tos upport the Ayatollah Regime in 2009. But Biden - alwaysready to be corrupt strated illegally unfreezing bilio ns of dollars to help the Ayatollah Regime. Corrupt as hell hundreds of billions of frozen assests were released by te Biden Adminisration. Thats temmed froma agreement reached that the funds would be nfrozen authorized by the Autopen. The political crime families associated to the Democratic Party leadership got billions in the pocess Thatwsa folloewed by a further agreement between teh Ayatollah Regime negotiated by Kerry in a ost on 27 September 2023 taht the A y atollah egime woul support Biden adn later Harris to beeected a U S resident in 2024. fort at purpose the Iran Government was usingthe Mosques and spent millions on supporing the biden nd subsrquetly the Harriscampaign,

Trump inherioted a total disaster iro Iran from the Biden Regime. Trump was form - sign a treat banning nuclear arm development and a per normal the Ayatollah representatives prmised agrement but siged nothing / In the end Trump ordered thatthe main enrichment centers be bombed and the enrichment centers were damaged and the Iran staff in charge of enrichment went to join Solomeine in th Muslim Heaven.

Be it as it may protests erupted over the whole Iran and Trump warned the Ayatollah regime that f they repeat the murderous oppression of 2009 theyw ill not survive and tha is the situation at pesent. So how long will t take for the Ayaollah Regie before they start murdxering protestors is not clear. What is clear is that they cannot repea what Obama allowed them to do in 2009, What hppened in Venezuela is a straight reminder as to what will happen to the Ayatollah and his fellow murderers in Iran if they acted violently against protestors, fifty year of cruel oppresssion may end soon in Iran, Lets hope the people of iran can be helped to ge rid of he A yatollah and his fanatical supporters, This time the rotestirs are supported by Trump and if the regime started murdering ponents -the murderers will find that he Musslim Hevcen hs run out of virgins.

One thin on site is clear - if Trump act against the A yatollah Regime the shot will flood the site in supporing he A yatollah Regime, . .

Well skipping over Mike's nonsense post, a few sources I follow on social media are showing the protests spreading in Iran, IRGC buildings being burned by protests and not much in the way of response from the regime, maybe the fights gone out of them.

They fear retaliation...they've been warned...

They fear retaliation...they've been warned...

Of course the Magaloids credit Trump...of course they do.

Stav and SB

When the USA bombed Tripoli in 2011 and Belgrade in 2012 under Obama was that not breaches of Intenational Law? When the UK and France bombed targets in Syria this past week was that not a breach of International Law?

Plainly put does the enwspapers only scream breaching of International Law when Trump approve action like bombing of boats carrying drugs to the USA and arrest Maduro - every body else invovled so it is only Trump brakin g international law - and other leaders doin g the same are entotl to do it. When Osma Bin Laden was arrested in n operation in Pakistan and killedd delivberately under Obama - was it not breaching International Law? Anotr one when Biden r the A utopen decidd tot aake ou The E gyptian livin g inKabul and used riockers t kill him - was that not braches of Intenational Law,

Please explain why Trump is the only leader guilty of breahing of international Law _ everybody else doing the same re heroes and bombing of other counries are exconerated,

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and Belgrade in 2012

Wait...WHAT?

"Of course the Magaloids credit Trump...of course they do."

Who/what do you credit? ...a miraculous change of heart by the mullahs?..religious fundamentalists don't get those.

PS...they won't stay passive, at some stage they will respond, they can't help themselves.

Who/what do you credit? ...a miraculous change of heart by the mullahs?..religious fundamentalists don't get those.

Its likely down to exhaustion from the combined effects of almost 50 years of sanctions, the aftermath of the conflict with Israel, the elimination/degradation of many of its regional allies, the lack of meaningful support from an otherwise occupied Russia and possibly the security apparatus no longer having the will to put down yet another outbreak of mass unrest which they seem to have to do every few years. Perhaps sufficient numbers of them have had enough propping up a regime that offers them no prospects of a better future.

Religious fundamentalists may not undergo changes of heart but they can be surprisingly pragmatic when the need arises.

PS...they won't stay passive, at some stage they will respond, they can't help themselves.

Hopefully not but it's quite possible they will respond at some stage.

Like in the case of Venezuela there are hndreds of thousands of Iranian refu gees in the USA, As much as the Venezuelas hate the Maduro Regime - so does the Iranian refugees hate the Ayatollah regime.

Nobody on site seems to know that dictatorships are no nterested in what happen to the citizens they are supposed to Govern, Lets put it this way. Public sevants are part of the regime and made sure they loot and are grossly incompetnt, They think they are above the law if they help the so-called leaders to loot they can loot for their own benefit as well.

Lets go a bit firther, When communism collapse in East Germany the replacement Government found that the Communists had millions in their bank accounts in Swiyzerland, So the Venezuelans followed a trail other Communists before them used.

Public Servants are not only found to be corrupt and incompetent in Communist dictatorhip if the country is leaderless - like happened in the case of the Obama and Biden Regimes they are as incompetent and dis honest as well. Lets give just two examples as well:-

1. In 2021 the Covid pandemic caused to allow Public Servants "worked" from homes so 94% have not gone to their offices for 3 years. So what work ws done by them working from their homes - near to bugger-all. In the case the Public Servants get paifd and when real work was to be done they contracted it out.
2. In the period 2023-24 the number of posts in the US Federal Government Service increased from circa 1,942 million to 3,250 million. Like the rest of the Public Servants all that happened was that it was just done for political suppot purposes in elections.

The problem with Socialism systemd relate entirely toPublic Service dishonesty and incompetence. That prevail in many countries suffering from malgovernance and waste -mosdt ronounced in dictatorships - but in many cases in democracies as well - the Biden A dministration and UK Pulic Services are typical examples of what is the case at resent, That is why the EU headuarters in B russels are also an example. Mozat calls them the little men in suits - but nfortunately those little men are very, very dangerous,

Nobody on site seems to know that dictatorships are no nterested in what happen to the citizens they are supposed to Govern, Lets put it this way. n- pblic sevants are part of the regime and made sure they loot and are grossly incompetnt, Thy t hink heya re above the law if they help the so-called leaders to loot they can loot for their own benefit as well.

Sounds just like Trump's batshit evil authoritarian circus.

Stav

the USA and N ATO bombed Belgrade to force them to withdraaw from Kosovo.

The question to you are the examples I quopted niot breches of International Law. Was osama's Killing not breach of International Law. The question is plain - is Trump the only leader who breaks Internaional Law

BS Bertier BB

The fact is that Obama appointed people to run the country and they were givven an opportunity to publish regulatiosn that in the end t he C ontitution called illegal The public Servoce grew massively under Biden and the idea was to buy support by appointments of pubblic servants wh dd nt even boter to turn up to worl.

Unfortunately site members do not realize how bad excessive powers to pub lic S rvan ts really are. So lets you give you a perfect example. While a part of Los Angeles burned down last year because the watr hydrants did not have any water to fight the fires, Now since owners wants to rebuild their homes it will take no ess than 5 years to get pl;an approvals.

It is c;ear that in Minnesota more than $9 bilion was looted from the State Goverment and nobody takes responsibility as to what happened.

In Ukraine billions was stolen by the Ukraine Governments and kickbacks to US politicians were the rule.

I just want to give you some idea of why Iam so ctitical of Publlic S ervants and their political masters. For 52 years of my life I was a public servant and was horrified by what I saw as normal. In many years my job included investigating corruption and stopping it. In 2012 the Municpality where I worked had R500 million to sed on rioad upgrading and imrovement of especially electricity infrestructure. In 2012 I finally retired from the Municipalitya at the age of 70 years. Yhere were two senior officials who kept the Municipality under a ti ght reign when t came to mo ney sending - we both left the same time and by 2-15 the R500 million went missinmg and nop roads and electricit upgrading never happened.

I learned one thing abou Pblic Servants - they vrtually never realize what the consequences of their actions are going to be. That is why the EU staff in Brusselss are so dangerous. In Plai wrds they fuck up royally and there si nhin g cotozens can do about it.

If I was cfrooed I would ahve been a very wealthy person by tpday - - I am struggin g financially for years now, So don.t even try to make a pesonal attack on me.

If you do not realize that Obama and Biden as well as the Federal PublicService was ttally corrupt - but the leftist media constantly try to stop it from being publicly exposed. The fact is that Corruption is what both D emcoratiic politicians thrive on.

the USA and N ATO bombed Belgrade to force them to withdraaw from Kosovo.

Yes they did, but you said the US bombed Belgrade in 2012 under Obama.

That was back in 1999 under Clinton. How can you be so far out with this stuff.

Thanks for the correction - but I am getting a bit old memorywise, Where I went wrong is that Djokovic declared openly his a hatred of the USA and NATO somewhere around 2012/ He rarely played in the USA tournaaments over the past dcade.

But I am still waiting for response about the resent Anti-Trump capaign as to breaching of Internatal Law,.

By the way the second Iraq War were based on a lie that Muelder - the Special Council investigaing Trump as a faithful loyal Bureaucrat - a liar of first level all the time. He lied to the U S Snate about WMD's and even an English expert committed suicide because both Bush and Blair used lies as an excuse for atacking Iraq,

Yet Trump is not trying to start wars - h is trying to end wars trhough sustainable peacful settlement of existing wars he inherited and for that he is under cosntant attack as well.

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The following from Al Jazeera:-

Thousands of Iranians flooded the streets of Tehran and other cities Thursday night, heeding a call by the country's exiled crown prince to make their voices heard in the most serious challenge to the Islamic Republic's hardline rulers in many years.

The protests had spread across the country for 12 days, leaving about 40 people dead and more than 2,000 detained by security forces, but despite the arrests and a nationwide internet and phone service blackout, the unrest escalated dramatically on Thursday night.

It was impossible to get a clear picture of the extent of the unrest, given the clamp down on the flow of information. But Iran's ruler appeared in a brief television address on Friday morning, defiantly accusing President Trump of inspiring the protests, showing he remained in charge, and vowing that his regime would "not back down."

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, 86, called for unity and accused "a bunch of vandals" in Tehran, where a state TV building was set alight, of having "destroyed a building that belongs to them to please the U.S. president."

As he spoke, an audience in front of him shouted the familiar refrain of "Death to America!"

Given the communications blackout, which continued Friday morning according to the NetBlocks internet monitoring organization, short videos posted online, largely by anti-regime activists, provided the only real window into the chaos across the country.

It appeared to ramp up dramatically from 8 p.m. local time on Thursday, the moment at which exiled Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi had urged Iranians to shout and chant from their windows against the regime.

"Iranians demanded their freedom tonight," said Pahlavi, the son of the former head of state Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who fled the country just before the 1979 Islamic revolution that brought the current regime to power.

In statements posted online, he called for European leaders to join Mr. Trump to "hold the regime to account," using "all technical, financial, and diplomatic resources available to restore communication to the Iranian people so that their voice and their will can be heard and seen. Do not let the voices of my courageous compatriots be silenced."

Pahlavi had issued his call several days earlier for mass chanting against the regime at 8 p.m., which is noon on the East Coast of the United States, on both Thursday and Friday, so it's possible the regime will face another night of massive unrest.

In the videos, which are difficult to independently verify, many people could be heard chanting "Death to the dictator!" and "Death to the Islamic Republic," while others called for a return of the monarchy, declaring: "Pahlavi will return!"

As of Thursday, the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency, which relies on a network of contacts inside the country, said at least 42 people had been killed and more than 2,270 others detained, but that was before a clear picture could be gained of the chaos on Thursday night and Friday morning.

"All of the huge crowds in my neighborhood are pro-Pahlavi and from several areas my sources report the same — pro-Pahlavi crowds are prevailing, undeniably," one source in Tehran told CBS News on Thursday night, calling it "monarchists responding to Reza," before his communications were cut off.

"For the first time, the government decided to shut the internet yesterday, and usually when they shut the Internet, it means that they're going to use violence against people," Maziar Bahari, editor of the independent IranWire news site, told CBS News on Friday.

I have a feeling this Ayatollah has his life span reduced to 3 weeks if he does what he treatens he would do. Those who live by the sword dies by the sword,

Sadly the Iranian regime is trying to repress this in their usual brutal fashion. Reports of hospitals being overwhelmed with causalities.

Stav

The problem is bot Israel and th e USA knows where the whole Iran leadership is 24 hours a day. They will all be wiped out in a day if Trump decide itstime toa act. They will kill off the eladerdhip and wipe out the Revalulionary guard and get Muslim countries sent troops to Iran to estabblish an internal Government until the sourge of the Ayatollah Regime has been removed

To help the Iran people the U SA and EU would b asled to liall sanctions from Iran and some satbility will be established with no firther funding for International Terrorism.

We do not know when it will happen - but happen it will, When Trump said he is going to stop the rot - he will do what he said he will do. He will just do tin gs Demcoracy return to Venezuela and Iran and will use aeverything to nsiure it happens,

I just weatch BBC and Sky News and bth put a heavy emphasis on the sitaion in Iran and in one case mentiond the issue was telephonically dscusse d be tween Netanhaju and Rubio yesterday - so a response is expected during this week in the form of airial and rocket attacks to eliminate totally the Regime leaders and he Reveliutionary Gruad leadership even if they hode in Underground bunkers,

I am afraid that Trump will be accused of breaching internation law if he wipes out the Iran leadership and there would be further riots in Minnesota aimed at covering up Walz's corruption and funding of Al Shabaah in Somalia through grant corruption to the tune of $9 billion org anized by the ultra-corrupt Democrats.

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What's the solution, Stav?

Because the Iranian regime has the weaponry to continue unhindered. The bodies will just keep piling up.

Is there a number of corpses at which you agree that intervention is appropriate?

...or shall we sanction Iran some more?

That is, of course...if you feel a solution is necessary?

He will just tell you that there are no easy solutions Plum.....

e la test news is that the A yatollah Regime now wants to negotae with Trump on the sisue of a peaceful settlement with the U S Government

Trump has two options to consider - namely

1. to start negotiations that would save lives in Iran and sesta blish a democratic form of Government in Iran; and/or
2. . To use air attacks to wie out the regime in Teheran

The probe with he engotations proposals it did not lead to any improvement in h e G oven ance of Iran. In the case of past negotations bribery led o no action being takena gains t the A y atollah Regime to allow for democratic changes isince the U SA representatives were more ineresed in bribery and corruption than

they werde in helping the people of Iran.

In the case of Trump - he would lay down the strict conditions as ro restoration of Demcoratic systems establishment of DEMOCRACY in Iran, It will also provide to get the power of the Chirch to religious and not political control as it is at present, It wil lead t first of all a demcoratic Constitution wih either a Monarch or President with minima powers be esablished and a Head of Government be a Prime Minister with the powers be vested in an elected Parliament. based on the USA Contitution.

The above is to be saed on a referndum to approve the Constitution to be supervised by expert observers - followed by electiosn of a Presidnt if the decision is to have a President and VP is needed and a Parliament also fo result in the appoi ntment of a Cabinet. In return the ebenfot would be thata ll sanctions will be lifted and foreign investment wil lead to economic growth - especially also in the field of tourism.

The West would gain through banning of funding of terrorism worldwide,

If the above is not showing progress the alternative would be for Trump authorizin g militarya ction that would wipe out the present leaders hip in Iran. Because of harred by the people of he Ayatollah Regime spyin g on the elader hip wil indicate where all the ey people are and they ill be wied out within 24 hours from attacks being takin gplace, In teh altte regard Trump preiously said that the Ayatollah leaadersip arehiding in underground bunkers - he knew where they were 24 hours every day and he as hoping for real negotiations to stop the rot in Iran.

That will not be thaecase if teh present Regime continue to oppress the people of Iran and use force a gainst the protestors in waves until real netiations toend the Regime in Teheran start negotiations on an acceptable basis,

Choice peaful settment by the Iran leaderdhip or death sooner than they think.

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If the following is the situation then it is a majpr rpblem for the present Ayatollah Regime:-

"What you're hearing publicly from the Iranian regime is quite different from the messages the administration is receiving privately, and I think the president has an interest in exploring those messages," Leavitt said.

This is exctly what happened in Venezuela. The VP and intenal elements in the Venezuela Government wanted to get rid of Maduro and collaborated to get him arrested with virtually no losses to Venerxuelans livers and he main Cuban guards of Maduro being elliminated.

It also implies that internally inside the Iran Government there is opposition to the cruler elements in Government.

The problem is nobody knows whether negotiations by individuals in the Iran government has he authority to stop the rot in murderin g of protestors by the Iran Ayatollah Government.

The problem remains - the chice seens to be to target he key regime from the A yatollah down to kill the poison in Iran.

You never answered when I asked about intervention on the Venezeula thread, why not Iran, Belarus, Myanmar, Belarus. You could add Russia and Somali and a host of other African countries. Did you want an intervention in Palestine when Israel was piling up the bodies,

Is a solutiion nessecery there?

If you want top doa way with ditatorship and cruel G ovrnance it sh ould happen that theya re dealt with harshly - but it is not possible in countries like Russia and China where resistence against Government is virtully non-existent,

In Africa resistncegainst crude and corrupt cgovernment is growing. Democracy never took its roots in A frica and we al know it is goin g backeards desite conrary propaganda in the media.

However cirrution and dictatorships go hand in hand in opprssion of people. USAID using weird funding processses to fund terrorism in Africa and the Minisota corruption scandal is funding Al Sabaah in Somalia spreading terrorism to mnay Affrcian coutries. ven Mozambique is under terrorist attack,

In South America the US Government dd itss utmost to get the Goverfnment changed in the last election and isntead of the people of Brazil won - he winners were in realiy China.

In the case of Western Countries interference in other countries had serious negative consequences - for example Afghanistan. Iran and Ukraine the situation went off the rails totally and ahd no reard to the atual needs opf the people.

One wnders why in most cases where the USA interfered the situation went from bad to worse, In most cases ghey were no interested in getting loca leaders elected - but rather consentrated in getting stooges in charge, A bad way of trying to promote democracy in countries,

ersonally I hate dictaorships and would prefer freedom - but is s always problematic when Westr leaders does support the shit in charge,

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The talking is over - now Trump is encouraging to take over Gvrnment offices, He said peol[e who killed or torture shall suffer badly,

That means air and mssile attacks on specfic target should start tonight and the Ayatollah and his fellow murderous criminals will be dead within the next two days, Same will be the Revolutionary Guard, Not going to be nice to see what will happen next in Iran.

Acting against t he murxdeius regime is bound o start by tomorrow morning.

I the meantime there is not a word from the corrupt Democrats about the protests in Iran. They have two problems the protest news from Iran has been a dorect hreat to the pa-backs they used o get,

If the Democrats object to what is happening in Iran the Iranians can blackmail them about eposin g the kick back system,

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