The truth is dawning on the White House and Globalist media. Ukraine has lost the war

It's becoming ever more difficult to hide the truth.

Poor sharktwit, the champion chump, is pinning his hope on Cluster Bombs. How ignorant can one get.

Be careful not to be sucked into the right whinger sphere of thinking Beanbag. The left whingers are basking in the system that is to be replaced ; the right whingers are there for the system that is to replace it! There is no greater servant to the Edomite Euro Merovingian ruling class than the right whingers! Do keep that in mind. 

Actually I see that Nationalist  Populists on the left and right are coming together to fight Globalism. 

You are wrong Beanbag. Very, very wrong. As a man of The Book, you should know better! 

I am convinced that the whole Ukraine War was concocted by the Biden Administration to draw attention  away from the  disastrous Biden Administration - but also bearing in mind the massive kickbacks politicians and bureaucrats will gain from Aid Grants in Ukraine and for military equipment and supportive (eg Haliburton) contracts.

As Senator Graham said -"Any war is a Good War" -  that is the viewpoints of both politicians and bureaucrats on the take anyway.   

I studied the maps and battle info and slowly a situation developed where i could only see defeat of Ukraine.   I also saw the propaganda side - the advanced weaponry of the West provided will crush the Russian army equipped by substandard arms - and then sa the area where battles were fought and the aftermath,   

 There never was anything other than defeat involved,    The armaments provided was not entirely the most modern around - some of the artillery supplied dated from the 1970's  and 1980's and was collected from US Army camps all over the world and sent to Ukraine.   After 6 months it came out that only 30% of the arms donated to Ukraine reached the fighting army - what happened to the 70%that went missing?   In any event a US Army Colonel  was sent to oversee  receiving and distribution of donated arms.   So where did the 70% go?    

The chances of a peace settlement may come out of all this and whereas in the past the EU, the UK and the USA had a strong case to ensure a reasonable peace - at present they are in an extremely poor position when it comes to negotiation.

Saaiman and HasBeen, lovers of the repressive Russian regime in mid season form.

Yes Mike and now Zelensky wants the latest USA defence systems as that couldn't prevent carnage at Odessa. So Ukraine should become another State of the USA 

I was reading on another forum that the damaged Leopard 2 tanks are gonna be repaired. The logistics are crazy. Just think about it. They have to upload it onto a carrier, then transport it to some warehouse where hopefully able technicians are found. Where are the spares gonna come from?The Ukro's want a swift victory, the development of of a supply chain could take months and by then all of them could be scrap anyway. 

How many times Mike has the USA come out tops in any of it's wars? They been training the Ukrainians for 8 years to fight this war. They pour arms and ammo into this inferno,the US state of Ukraine. 

I studied the maps and battle info and slowly a situation developed where i could only see defeat of Ukraine.   I also saw the propaganda side - the advanced weaponry of the West provided will crush the Russian army equipped by substandard arms - and then sa the area where battles were fought and the aftermath,   

 There never was anything other than defeat involved,

So Russia did not have to withdraw from Kyiv, and Ukraine didn't launch successfully offensives around Kharkiv and Kherson? 

 The armaments provided was not entirely the most modern around - some of the artillery supplied dated from the 1970's  and 1980's and was collected from US Army camps all over the world and sent to Ukraine.

The weapons system sent to Ukraine are a mixture of older and newer weapon system. The same is true of the Russian weapon systems.

 After 6 months it came out that only 30% of the arms donated to Ukraine reached the fighting army - what happened to the 70%that went missing?   In any event a US Army Colonel  was sent to oversee  receiving and distribution of donated arms.   So where did the 70% go?    

This is a lie that's long since been debunked.

Yes Mike and now Zelensky wants the latest USA defence systems as that couldn't prevent carnage at Odessa. So Ukraine should become another State of the USA 

So Zeleneskyy want's a weapons system that doesn't work, you're getting as incoherent as Mike. Gotta love the smiley emjo at Russian attempts to cause a famine. 

I was reading on another forum that the damaged Leopard 2 tanks are gonna be repaired. The logistics are crazy. Just think about it. They have to upload it onto a carrier, then transport it to some warehouse where hopefully able technicians are found. Where are the spares gonna come from?

Emm the manufacturers of the tank and from countries that operate Leopard 2 like Germany and Poland perhaps?

The Ukro's want a swift victory, the development of of a supply chain could take months and by then all of them could be scrap anyway. 

The Ukrainian's are likely on a time line of trying to make attempt at a breakthough in the next two months before the weather turns against them but right now they are still focusing on Russian artillery positions and logistics, and preserving most of their combat strength, so tank losses are not that high at the moment. Aside from which the Leopard 2 doesn't make up the bulk of Ukrainian tank strength, I believe they have 43 in active combat, having lost 3 and a further 5 damaged.

How many times Mike has the USA come out tops in any of it's wars?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States 

the US state of Ukraine. 

Moonrover Putin tankie of the month.

Deus I know what Rev 13 says. But that does not mean there will not be a fightback. It could be that only anti christ himself will succeed. Ie things are delayed. Also the leadership of the World could shift to the China group.

But I don't deny anti Christ will come according to the scriptures and will rule the World for 42 months in what will be the greatest tyranny ever seen

 The various aspects of this tyranny are already becoming apparent. 

Poor Mozzzzquito thinks he is defending democracy in Ukraine. Bwahahahahahaha. Actually I shouldn't laugh. Poor Mozz has lost his marbles. 

Ukraine is the 4th most corrupt nation on earth. Zelensky is a tyrant. He has banned the opposion, banned the press and made war on the Ukraine Orthodox Church. He committed genocide against the Russian populated Donbass. He allowed his country to have missiles pointed at Russia and had over 40 bio labs doing gain of function research. 

Ukraine is a money laundering center for Globalist elites in the USA and Europe. 

By his actions Zelensky shows he is an puppet that do es exactly as the illigitimate Biden Regime tells him. 

The totally dishonest Mozzzzquito also refuses to acknowledge the reasons why this war happened. Mozz you are a total disgrace when it comes to Covid and Ukraine. 

Poor StavAss is still clinging to the hope that by some miracle Ukraine can stave of a complete defeat.

Keep the corrupt tyrannical government in Kiev in power he bleats. We expect every Ukrainian to defend democracy to the last man he bellows. So what that the US led Nato instigated the war. Putin bad he grunts - the Globalist Marxist BBC told me as did the Globalist Marxist rag the Guardian. I am not interested in the facts so Beeno et al you are wasting  your time. 

Hahahahaha poor old stavASS. We can only hope the dumbass will eventually learn the truth. 

What will the mampara say when Russia crushes the Ukranian army and takes Odessa etc. He will probably blame the amazing man in green fatigues and the cowardly incompetent Ukrainians all while seated safely behind his keyboard. 

Ditto that imbecile Blobbrain. 

The frot 4 are hard to beat when it comes to being utterly frot. 

I would add Mozzzzquito to the group but he is still correct on climate change and I don't want any dilution of tbe complete frotness of the frot 4! Hahahahahaha. 

They think Ukraine is goodie, goodie  because they think USA is goodie, hoodie.

USA and Europe just dump all these armenents in Ukraine. They is no tracking of them in the inferno. Why repair them..... just ask Nato for more.

They think Ukraine is goodie, goodie  because they think USA is goodie, hoodie.

USA and Europe just dump all these armenents in Ukraine. They is no tracking of them in the inferno. Why repair them..... just ask Nato for more.

Poor StavAss is still clinging to the hope that by some miracle Ukraine can stave of a complete defeat.

Keep the corrupt tyrannical government in Kiev in power he bleats. We expect every Ukrainian to defend democracy to the last man he bellows. So what that the US led Nato instigated the war. Putin bad he grunts - the Globalist Marxist BBC told me as did the Globalist Marxist rag the Guardian. I am not interested in the facts so Beeno et al you are wasting  your time. 

Hahahahaha poor old stavASS. We can only hope the dumbass will eventually learn the truth. 

You should do stand up comedy, you'd have the crowd in stitches...even more so when they figure out you're serious.

Mozart

I was expecting more from you than routine BS of me being for Russia.   I condemned from the start the invasion of Ukraine and said all along the problem could be solved through negotiation and there was an effort before the invasion by Macron to solve the problem through implementation of the Minsk agreement of 2015 and Zelenskyy signed an agreement within the 14 days prior to the invasion - which you tried to lie about quoting negotiations you alleged took place after the invasion and took place in Belarus.   There were in fact no peace negotiations after the invasion other than the negotiations initiated by Turkey and the representatives were the Russian and Ukraine Foreign Affairs Ministers.

The fact is the USA instead of trying to solve the problem through negotiation did everything in their power to sabotage a peaceful settlement in Ukraine since 2015 and the fact is the USA has shown a dismal interest and promote the war in Ukraine.

I happen to criticize the issue of banning of Russian tennis players in 2022 and you went ballistic as well.   You lied about what I said as well.

You are too old to show the childish behavior displayed by you about those two issues.   Grow up and start thinking for yourself and stop being supporting propaganda campaigns.   

Stav

"So Russia did not have to withdraw from Kyiv, and Ukraine didn't launch successfully offensives around Kharkiv and Kherson? "

You apparently believe BS spreading without thinking.  Let me explain since you apparently never heard of the peace negotiations initiated by Turkey after the invasion started.   The conditions laid  down for negotiations to commence were -

*     Ukraine :  The Russian army threatening Kiev is to be withdrawn; and 

*      Russia  :   the issue of the Crimea is not negotiable.   

The Russians withdrew their army and the negotiations proceded  on that basis.  FACT.    

As to the other two areas you mentioned the Russians was never in Kharkov and is still within striking distance of that city so there were no withdrawal of Russian troops.   As to Kherson the Russians did withdraw from the city - but there was no withdrawal from any area never occupied by them.    The maps you provided are BS and proven to be.

The arms delivery issue - was mentioned under oath in the USA Senate - so did they lie in the Senate.    So who claimed the Defense Force Secretary lied to the Senate?    Who said it was debunked.

.The rest of the comments is utter garbage - start thinking for yourself for a change. 

You apparently believe BS spreading without thinking.  Let me explain since you apparently never heard of the peace negotiations initiated by Turkey after the invasion started.   The conditions laid  down for negotiations to commence were -

*     Ukraine :  The Russian army threatening Kiev sis to be withdrawn; and 

*      Russia  :   the issue of the Crimea is not negotiable.   

The Russians withdrew their army and the negitiations proceded  on that basis.  FACT.    

That never happened, you're lying. FACT

As to the other two areas you mentioned the Russians was never in Kharkov and is still within striking distance of that city so there were no withdrawal of Russian troops.   

Seriously Mike how dense are you. The Ukrainian's managed to liberate 12,000 square kilometres in Kharkiv Oblast during the course of last years counter offensive, its been widely documented, the Russian's don't even deny they where pushed back.. And ff course Kharkiv is still in range of Russia, its beside the Russian border FFS.

As to Khersov the Russians did withdraw from the city - but there was no withdrawal from ana rea never occupied by them.    The maps you provided are BS and proven to be.

So you admit the Russian's had to withdraw? No withdrawal from an area never occupied by them? WTF are you talking about. Its clear you have no grasp on how to even use a map.

The arms delivery issue - was mentioned under oath in the USA Senate - so did they lie in the Senate.    So who claimed the Defense Force Minster lied to the Senate?    Who said it was debunked.

No it was never mentioned in the US Senate you are simply lying again.

The bottom line: 

1. No person can ever come to an understanding of anything by following MSM, which was bought up in the USSA between 1916-1919 by J P Morgan. 
   
2. The USSA is a failed third-world Marxist state.
3. The entirety of the West has quickly followed the USSA into that decline. 
4. The USSA was never a strong military power; it used economics and politics to exert control and influence. Destroying and dismembering states, diving allies and enemies, and using the power of the dollar to squeeze dissent. Those days are thankfully over. 
5. The USSA used Ukraine, after it failed to use Poland, to pressure Russia. 
6. The USSA has failed miserably in Ukraine, and revealed precisely how weak and iseless NATO really is. 
7. Russia was never overcome by Ukraine at any point, but Putin never intended to exert maximum force, as he knows he has to coexist with these people in the aftermath - numerous persons in the Kremlin not only wanted Ukraine crushed, but the USSA punished as a consequence of the latest of their endless war crimes. 
8. The USSA is the most corrupt and destructive nation in all of recorded human history.  

Another one…..are these nutters clones?

1. The USSA wanted this war. They've been pushing for it ever since they tried to murder Yanukovych in their coup of 2014. 
2. They all thought Ukraine was going to defeat Russia. 
3. Putin, the leader of the free world, has out-maneuvered the West from start to finish. 
4. The Neo-Nazi Ukrainians who followed the transvestite Zelensky into this war, have not only been defeated in humiliating circumstances but have been the biggest losers of this whole GAYTO-initiated war. 
5. The only tyrants are those in the USSA, Canada, UK, Germany, France, The Vatican, Australia et al. 
6. It's time for Barry, Bush snr and jnr, Blair, Obiden, Boris, Macron, Sarkozy, Trudolf, Jacinda et al to be executed for their crimes against humanity. Ende.

Stav

Listen - like the case of the bio-labs the matter was raised in the Senate and the Senate the Army Command asked about a complaint by the Ukraine Generals in Eastern Ukraine about arms delivery was asked in September 2022.  The answer was yes there were problems and the USDF is sending a Colonel to Kiev to ensure arms reached the fighting army.   It as definitely raised in the Senate and  you were caught lying about the issue and are now continuing lying.    

Same as to your claim as to area recovered by the Ukraine army.    Please go and see the map posted on site.   The purple area west of Kherson was never occupied by the Russian Army and the one between Kharkov and the Russian borderis and as wishful thinking.

No evidence has ever been produced of bio-weapons being developed in Ukrainian bio-labs. 

Be the West... who produce these materials of war crimes. Pluck your head out of your uneducated rectum Stav. 

Stav, you are an absolute moron. If you want to best defend your flawed position, stop posting. Ende.

Be the West... who produce these materials of war crimes. Pluck your head out of your uneducated rectum Stav. 

Oh go on then, show me the East's compelling evidence then please.

Stav, you are an absolute moron. If you want to best defend your flawed position, stop posting. Ende.

Returning the insult has crossed my mind...but I wouldn't want Draad on my case now would I Draad

Stav

Why was it announced in the  senate that they are sending a colonel to Kiev to co-ordinate the receipt and delivery to the Ukraine Army.    It was when the issue of non--delivery was raised in the US SENATE - in fact the appointment of the Colonel was the result of a question asked in the Senate and the admission by the Pentagon that there were problems.  The accusations were basically made against the Ukraine Defense Minister - who used to be head of the Fascist Asov brigade.    

By the way the above is not he first time arms delivery was discussed after the September Senate hearing.    During those discussions you admit there was a problem in Ukraine  as to delivery of arms and  that the matter has been resolved by  the Colonel  and 200 hundred soldiers sent to the USA to Guard the USA Embassy in Ukraine.   Another thread dealt with the discharge of the General commanding the fighting army in Eastern Ukraine (one of the three  generals who objected to the non-delivery)  followed in a previous thread -          

Zelenskyy refused to fire the Defense Minister and instead fired the General commanding the fighting army in Eastern Ukraine.   That is part of the reason why the famous Ukraine counter-offensive is a joke with tragic consequences for Ukraine.    

The story of bio-weapons is a joke and a bad one at that.   Bio-weapons is not the issue here - the issue is gain-of function research in such laboratories which in itself could be used as bio-weapons.   Covid was not a bio-weapon per se - yet it caused the death of millions of people worldwide.    Incidentally the Biden Administration during the past week -

*    Banned any further funding of gain-of-function research  at the Wuhan Laboratory after the visit by Secretary of State Blinken to China and China sent him packing - so some action against China was needed.

*      The US Department of Health has now admitted that the COVID deaths were much lower than it was previously reported.   The reason at the time was two-fold, namely to politically blame Trump for the disaster and for the Hospitals getting Government subsidies stemming from treatment of Covid patients in hospitals - it opened up a new level of corruption in the USA - inflate the death rate in the USA and get extra mon ey from Government.