The unmatched treachery of Mike Pence.

Take a look at these clips that appeared on Twitter calling out traitor Mike Pence. 

Traitor Mike Pence clip 1

Yes Sessions and Barr were deceitful back stabbing traitors but Pence was worse. Look at this, it says it all. 

Traitor Mike Pence clip 2

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How in the world somebody like Cloudy could prefer

If anyone opposes its master Trump, the Trumpanzee species will oppose them thinking they are the antichrist

One took the world to war…the other left after an unprecedented period of peace?

Trump would end the Ukraine war in 1 day. 

He would force Ukraine to accept Russia keeping Ukranian land, and Putin to accept these terms as well.

Trump said that if Putin did not accept "these" terms, he would arm Ukraine much more extensively than Joe Biden.

If Ukraine did not accept the terms, he would end US support- or potentially arm Putin to finish the job

Now you have lost the plot again. Trump had a better shot at stopping the Ukraine war because at least he had a dialogue with Putin.. Biden is a stiff who is best left in the basement.

I agree the post election stuff was a disaster, but more for Trump than America.

"One took the world to war…the other left after an unprecedented period of peace?"

And the fools can't acknowledge that the world was much safer and everything much cheaper when Trump held the reigns...Trump's got a massive ego and flattery clouds his judgment,  but the world was a much better place under his watch...there are no coincidences...

What the Left doesn’t  get is that the most effective leaders are often lousy human beings.

A person should be presidential and have basic morals regardless of ideology, unlike Trump who is a narcissistic sociopath.

He also wanted to leave NATO, which would encourage the likes of Putin to invade other countries. 

What I do not understand is why the religious right doesn't vote for a religious person like Mike Pence.

Trump is about as religious as I am.
He is also a more left-wing person than a right-wing person- other than not wanting to pay taxes.

Trump has been in the media for many years before being president - during which time he answered many questions about ideology. For example, abortion - Trump has in the past stated that he believes it is the woman's choice.

Trump does have a dialogue with Putin, perhaps because he is like Putin. 

Russia also meddled in the 2016 election, and tried to hack US intelligence thereafter - but Trump supported Putin on live TV, and undermined what US intelligence officials have stated (regardless of ideology. 

Hitler seized the opportunity created by discontent in Germany due to WW1's reparations, in order to appoint himself as the king of Germany

Trump, on the other hand, has taken advantage of several factors:

1. The economic decline of the white working class, stemming from corporate mergers and decreased competition. The richest minority get richer, at the expense of the rest of America.

2. A reduction in good jobs due to corporations outsourcing to tax havens or low-income countries.

3. An increase in illegal immigration.

4. The way COVID-19 has profoundly affected religious communities, sometimes leading to irrational behavior.

 Trump has been a divisive figure, driving a wedge through American society.

And the fools can't acknowledge that the world was much safer and everything much cheaper when Trump held the reigns...Trump's got a massive ego and flattery clouds his judgment,  but the world was a much better place under his watch...there are no coincidences...

What the Left doesn’t  get is that the most effective leaders are often lousy human beings.

Utter madness.

No Anger….reality. John Kennedy for example, who you probably admire, was a womanizer. But he was a successful President….so was Bill Clinton who abused Monica Lewinsky. Jimmy Carter, by contrast, an eminently decent and nice man was a disaster in the White House. 

So Trump presided over the demise of Everyman. Odd, under Obama median income (which excludes the wealth effect of the very rich) went from from $26510 in 2011 to $26886 in $2015. A whopping increase of $376 or roughly 1 %.

Under Trump that number increased from $26886 to $31133 in 2019.An increase of 16% in 4 years, which is historically a strong number.

Trump had a very successful presidency despite the media tales to the contrary. 

No Anger….reality. John Kennedy for example, who you probably admire, was a womanizer. But he was a successful President….so was Bill Clinton who abused Monica Lewinsky. Jimmy Carter, by contrast, an eminently decent and nice man was a disaster in the White House. 

I wasn't implying that a lousy human being couldn't be an effective leader. It's the excuse making for them that's the insane part. Also I'm not admirer of JFK btw.

So Trump presided over the demise of Everyman. Odd, under Obama median income (which excludes the wealth effect of the very rich) went from from $26510 in 2011 to $26886 in $2015. A whopping increase of $376 or roughly 1 %.

Under Trump that number increased from $26886 to $31133 in 2019.An increase of 16% in 4 years, which is historically a strong number.

Trump had a very successful presidency despite the media tales to the contrary. 

Those median income numbers are disputed. The economy under Trump was pretty decent but no where near as great as both he and his followers boasted while virtually every other aspect of his Presidency was pretty awful.

But lets say for arguments sake we agree to disagree on his 4 years as President...surely everything that has happened since proves that Trump is entirely unfit to be President of the United States. From January 6th to the audio recording of him showing off classified documents...it's insane to think this man has a chance of becoming President again.  

Stav

If  Trump was unfit to be President why did everything fall apart when Biden took over?   Trump was a person who wanted stability in the world through peaceful means and was a strong leader respected and perhaps feared by world leaders - Biden's only foreign achievement was  farting before royalty - for the rest he is a joke on international level and countries that used to be loyal American friends are now enemies trying to join BRICS as an example' the whole Middle East ahs turned against the USA - so has most of African and South American countries.  

In Europe the staunchest allies of the USA are losing support in elections.   It reminds me of what happened when I was in Europe for a 6 months holiday.    In Paris I quickly learned that if you want help you should never speak English  - they would take you as an American and would not help.   My solution was easy - I spoke Afrikaans to them and they would regard me as Dutch or Flemish and suddenly were prepared to answer me in English.    The feeling is coming back - since the USA caused a proxy war in Ukraine and Biden is regarded as totally unstable.   The panicked withdrawal from Afghanistan has proven that allies cannot rely on the USA to honor their treaty commitments and whatever rust they had in the USA has been damaged.

Trump was accused of being in league with Putin entirely based on lies concocted by the Obama Administration and the Democrats  and the leftist media  was totally addicted to the lies and spread it worldwide to brainwash people and they got plenty adherents believing  the lies.

Nobody in the Trump presidential team was corrupt - the whole Biden team reaked of corruption and incompetence

But let us hear from you - you name the showing off of classified documents to people - that is BS  and you ware misled by the media again.    You base your stories on the media again.   There was zero proof of that and the case will be thrown out by the Appeal Court as political persecution.    The charges against Trump are weak and  he is politically pursued since the Democrats are getting very unpopular and they and their corrupt partners in the Bureaucrats knows that re-election would be the end of the contaminated and corrupt bureaucrats.    Even he majority of voters do not want Biden to run for President again as the country is going downhill fast.    So the plot is to remove Trump from running as president.   

Daily evidence mounts proving Biden corruption and that is going to destroy the Democrats as a party.    The Party is split between the extreme leftists and the moderates.    But that is not important - the candidacy of the Democrats determined by the Ultra- rich who fund the Party and they have nothing to build a candidacy on.   That is the reason why the Justice Department  is trying to get Trump as candidate out of the way.

Stav 

Where did you get the above BS from?   When it comes to Trump not one allegation is remotely true.    

The war would never have started if Trump was President and he would definitely not sabotaged peaceful solution to the problems like Biden did.   What would have happened is that Trump would have prevented Russia from attacking Ukraine as a peaceful settlement was found and would have been implemented.

Russia was not interested in annexing part of Ukraine - they supported the 2015 borders of Ukraine and a democratic federal system of Government.    The deaths of hundreds of thousands of people would have been avoided and Ukraine would have returned to a democracy again.   Also he would not have caused the total collapse of world instability and the desertion of a number of  countries that used to be allies of the USA and are now applying to become BRICS members would have been avoided.    

The wedge in American society was caused by  the lies and corruption of the Democrats  with their media which spew hatred between people.   During the Biden presidency t e wedge became worse and  nobody bar the controllers of the  media can be blamed  for the wedge   Obama started the issues that became he wedge and it is now ten times worse under Biden.  

Difference  -   Trump was not corrupt - evidence is mounting of Obama and Biden corruption and that is the reason for the wedge the Democrats and their supporting news media created.    

I have frequently said Trump is not electable again….nor should the Republican Party be supporting his candidacy. The same by the way is true of Biden and his family enterprise. It’s disgraceful that a U.S. president should be so closely linked to foreign and rather dubious enterprises.

But there is a lot of culpability to go around with Trump. The man was elected President and his whole presidency was rendered less effective by the Democrats’ legal obstructionism. They did that regardless of the consequences to the country.

And the Media pushed the false narrative, even when they knew it was wrong. That was election interference.

So I don’t see this as a black and white situation…almost every institution got emotionally wrapped up in the Trump thing and failed the country, including the man himself.

Liberals looking for cohesion while uncohesiveness is part of their game.

Of course, liberals state one thing and its contrary.

On this board, two factions are struggling over power to determine how globalization and to whom should be benefitial.

Like gangs fighting over turf to control drugs trafficking.

So when a globalist spends hours and hours per day to post supposed denounciations of globalization, in fact to promote a certain flavour of globalization.

If  Trump was unfit to be President why did everything fall apart when Biden took over?   Trump was a person who wanted stability in the world through peaceful means and was a strong leader respected and perhaps feared by world leaders

Maybe because of inheritance.

COVID crisis happened during Donald Junior Trump. The COVID crisis revealed a lot about various societies around the world.

The way Donald Junior Trump dealt with the crisis had an impact on many decisions that were taken afterwards.

It was confirmed how the US perceive their own currency and how they turn to it to shift the burden of internal problems on to the rest of the world.

If Donald Junior Trump has left such a great situation, Joe Robinette Biden could not have ruined it so fast even if he is a liberal (liberals excell at ruining things)

The situation was already ruined by Donald Junior Trump.

One took the world to war…the other left after an unprecedented period of peace?

Ah, liberals and war and peace.

The world could be aflamed with war, as long as no perceived white nations are involved to war against each other, the world is at peace.

Two white perceived nations are at war, the rest has no war and it is war everywhere.

The narrative that the world was more peaceful under Donald Junior Trump is another liberal narrative.

The time line of the way Donald Junior Trump dealt with Afghanistan for example would be comical if lifes were not involved.