Tom DE Longe, UFOs and The Pentagon

Dunno if any of you have seen this in the news lately but please can someone tell me this ain't so. 

Tom DeLonge of Blink 182 fame started a crowd funded company called To The Stars Academy and until last month the general feeling was that he was a loon.

He claimed to have some high profile names on his team and strangely yet true to his word they all showed up at the launch and each said their piece on stage.

Among them are two names which were really intriguing even prior to what had transpired since the launch of TTSA. 

Luis Elizando - Former head of the Aerial Threat Identification program for the DOD.

Steve Justice - Program Director for advanced systems at Lockheed Martin(Skunkworks) 

Please go to www.tothestarsacademy.com to see the rest of the people involved. 

Somewhere in mid December two very strange things happened. 

The first was that Luis Elizado went on CNN and other media outlets and allowed himself to be interviewed about the program he ran while at the DOD/Pentagon. He did this with approval and the information he has revealed has been backed up officially by the DOD. The first time anything like this has ever happened. 

Then he released a video of an F18 chasing a disc shaped craft. The film is from the infrared gun camera and tracks the object for about 60 minutes. The conversation between the pilots can be heard and are subtitled. 

The pilot himself when interviewed by the media has given a clear account of what occurred that day. 

Presently it would appear that the US government are in the process of revealing that we are not only not along in the universe but that we are being and have been visited, possibly for a very long time. 

The NY Times and Washington Post both printed articles on what has transpired and it appears that it's the first time in history that serious news outlets are taking this topic seriously. 

What the bloody hell is going on? 

Can somebody here please tell me thus is some kind of bs. I tried to see the holes in it but I can't find any. 

Beeno, if your response involves the words demon or apocalypse then please don't reply. 

Plump, I've been reading up on this stuff for a while now. There seems to be lot's of things in the public domain that can't be explained by the normal view of the world in general. This is part of some sort of "Disclosure " movement. Dr. Steven Greer seems to be involved too. The problem is that there is alot of disinfo mixed into the information too... which makes it difficult to know what you can believe and what not. Whatever they do tell us, you can be sure that won't even be the half of the big picture. Go Google MK Ultra.

Hehe MK ultra. 

I'd have volunteered for that. Free LCD. Being it on :) 

Plump demons are not UFO's be assured of that. Demons are spirits and I once saw one. And no I am not referring to rooitwit or warped DUD!

There are lots of reports of UFO sightings and its possible they exist although hoaxes abound as well. 

Plum where is Uranus?  Stop speaking kak, please! 

You have more chance winning the lottery than seeing an Alien. This is a good PR campaign- filled with some lies.

If Aliens were here today, we would know about it. Why would they travel so far just get a Mcdonalds drive b y? 

Haha Shark. A Uranus joke...really guy?

Care to elaborate on how I'm speaking "kak". 

Plump I do hope you are not some unsound UFO nutter. Hahahahhahahahaha

I suspect ou Plumpy sees a UFO  behind every cloud.

Beeno... Pot/ kettle

no!? 

@Sharkbok

Would you at least read the NY Times article? 

@Sharkbok

Let's assume it's a Pretty campaign. 

A PR campaign for a crowd funded company started by an ex Rockstar and officially backed by the Pentagon. 

Is that your summary? 

@Sharkbok

Let's assume it's a PR campaign. 

A PR campaign for a crowd funded company started by an ex Rockstar and officially backed by the Pentagon. 

Is that your summary? 

By backing I don't mean financial backing. 

The Pentagon have corroborated what Elizando has said in terms of the nature of the program and its budget.

There is no debating that. 

Anyway, it's clear that you are intent on dismissing this out of hand without considering any of the facts. 

What I was looking for was somebody to poke a logical hole in the story. Your input has been knee jerk and the points that you have made are based entirely on opinion. 

Do you have any facts to offer? 

Plun, don't be too hard on old Sharkie, the Red Pill is not easy to swallow. 

duplicate.

@Plum, when I was younger I used to believe that Aliens could have visited the earth. 

However, as I have gotten older, I am more cynical- or perhaps more realist. 

Aliens must exist somewhere in the Universe- I just don't think they are here. It always seems to be Red neck hillbilly Americans that get abducted.  Why not abduct a scientist, doctor or someone else that has a brain.

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Surely if this guy led the program- he would know more than anyone if the evidence existed. However, he admits that it is more a strong possibility- that a certain fact. Why does he not elaborate on what this evidence is? 

""Elizondo told The New York Times he resigned from the Department of Defense in October in protest over what he called excessive secrecy surrounding the program and internal opposition to it after funding for the effort ended in 2012." (This sounds like a bitter employee, and less senior than he thought he was). 

If the person leading the project is not sure- how can anyone else be. 

Lots of things have to be verified - like was he really the project leader. Only the Pentagon themselves could confirm this. Additionally, why did the funding end?  

" former Pentagon official who "led" a recently revealed government program to research potential UFOs said Monday evening that he believes former Pentagon official who led a recently revealed government program to research potential UFOs said Monday evening that he believes

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Surely if he was the head of the department. 

"When the story first broke, they said the Pentagon was scrambling to respond the the NYT article, because the DOD was not their official source, which I think some articles don't understand. When they did make a statement they said Luis Elizondo did work in the positions he claimed. To me that is at least proof enough that he is not just bullshitting his past. They could have easily said 'We have no record of this guy' and that would be a bigger story on it's own. I just posted about Tom's first book that talks a bit about it if you want to check it out." Random yet logical reddit guy. 

The Pentagon have not denied that he worked there. They have in fact confirmed that not only did he work there, but in the positions he claims too. 

He said that he is certain the US nor any other country have planes like that in their inventory. From the video and from the actual pilots account, it was clearly a plane of some type. He didn't spell it out but it was pretty clear what he was saying. 

For this all to be a lie just seems quite impossible. These guys would be throwing their careers and reputations off a cliff if caught telling such a ridiculous lie. 

Let's assume they faked the video, recorded the pilots voice over it and then somehow got the DOD to confirm the existence of a program that Elizando ran or was involved with. A program bound to stir up a ton of interest once revealed

How could they pull that off? Via a contact at the Pentagon who would no doubt be sacrificing his name for the sake of this rouse and the potential quick buck it may or may nor yield? 

Cumon Shark let's walk this through. 

All I can think of is that maybe he had some type of role which was sensative enough that he somehow has the DOD by the balls and they have to play along with whatever says. Not sure what that would be or how it come about but from some perspective it may be plausible.

The pilot though. Man I can't imagine a guy with such a long career taking a chance and putting his name to something that bogus. Has he suddenly lost his mind? 

Plum ... I find it rather funny that you're so ready to believe in little green men with ray guns flying about the universe in their saucer shaped vessels, yet the thought of a living God is dismissed and rejected without a second thought.

Haaaaaahahahahahaaa!!!

I guess that's what floats your boat, huh? 

CC I never said I believe it. Not once. 

I saw the story, read it, thought it was odd and probably bogus but can't seem to find any info on why/how it's fabricated.

I'm not arguing for it. Just arguing against perspectives that are opinion based. 

Hence my question. 

Anyway, just based on the comments here, it's easy to guage society's general feeling toward the subject. Nevermind the scientific, military and government opinion on it.

So then, how suicidal would decorated milatary and airforce personnel have to be to put their names to a story like this?

I wouldn't. You would. Nobody would right? So why. 

Anyway, just based on the comments here, it's easy to guage society's general feeling toward the subject. Nevermind the scientific, military and government opinion on it.

So then, how suicidal would decorated milatary and airforce personnel have to be to put their names to a story like this?

I wouldn't. You would. Nobody would right? So why. 

Anyway, just based on the comments here, it's easy to guage society's general feeling toward the subject. Nevermind the scientific, military and government opinion on it.

So then, how suicidal would decorated milatary and airforce personnel have to be to put their names to a story like this?

I wouldn't. You would. Nobody would right? So why. 

Anyway, just based on the comments here, it's easy to guage society's general feeling toward the subject. Nevermind the scientific, military and government opinion on it.

So then, how suicidal would decorated milatary and airforce personnel have to be to put their names to a story like this?

I wouldn't. You would. Nobody would right? So why?

Plum, Go look for the red pill....and when you find it, swallow...you're on the right track.

SB, if you only believe in the things you can verify through the MSM, you are are part of the sheeple...don't be. Question everything you are being told.

@Draad

You'll notice that not a single comment on this thread actually looks at the facts. 

It's all tin foil hat, little green men and "don't be crazy" contributions.

To me that says quite a lot. 

Was really hoping for some actual info. Alas. 

@Sharkbok

More of the same

@ Shark

Here, a Washington Post article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/12/18/the-government-admits-it-studies-ufos-so-about-those-area-51-conspiracy-theories/?utm_term=.5f6212427094

Unless the guys there forgot how to be reporters and lost all understanding of what official confirmation is, it would seem as though the Pentagon has admitted to the existence of the program...Officially.

The program produced at least one 490 page document that details various UFO related events in the US and other countries(Obviously this does not mean aliens have visited us). Just that the program existed.

Luis Elizondo said that he ran the program, and the Pentagon have also officially confirmed that he worked there in the capacity that he claims. They have added that there should be no confusion about what they have said regarding the program since they have been very clear on its existence and what its goals were.

So lets go back to your statement that "It's all a lie."

Quite simply, this would mean that Luis Elizondo managed to trick the Washington Post somehow into believing that they'd received an official communication from the Pentagon. You understand that this would be a crime right? Impersonating any government department or government official  is a crime.

Clearly there is more than just a bit of truth in this story. Do you wish to re-examine your position?

Where to from here...

@Plum, I would agree that the Washington Post is a more reliable indicator of factual data than most US newspapers, so it does certainly add weight and credibility to the story. 

Facts would prove ... or disprove ... the age old mystery of whether there's life elsewhere in the Universe. Thing is though ... there never is any to prove or disprove what many believe to be a reality.

A hazy or photo shopped pic is about as good as it gets. How decidedly inconvenient.

As for me ... I believe there's a Living God based on several experiences I've had ... but I can't prove any of it ... so it would be a little unfair of me to suggest that life in the great beyond doesn't exist.

Some seem totally convinced that there is ... and I'm betting that an experience of some sort played it's part to why they keep scanning the heavens. 

The closest I've come to an experience of alien life is when I was fooled into eating some kind of strange mushroom ... other than that, I'm open to it.

@ Shark

Indeed, there are a lot of facts here that certainly serve to make the story quite interesting. I watched the Joe Rogan podcast that featured Tom Delonge and gotta say, he sounds fruity.

Were it not for some of the other points surrounding this i have dismissed it off the bat as i do  99% of the time.

So lets assume that there are some facts here but ultimately the story is BS. Where do you reckon the truth ends and the BS begins?

Of course Draad makes a good about the entire thing being disinformation. A valid point that pretty much nulifies any conversation about the story's authenticity/purpose.

@CC I put god and religion in a different category to these things. Same as i do with evolution. I don't believe they're mutually exclusive.

Haha you took shrooms? Do tell.

Oh, how was the water skiing this holiday

Haaahahaha!! An old girlfriend sneaked it into my salad and I swear I saw meteors buzzing around her head. That was many moons back when I was still young and innocent. 

So many questions ... most of which will never be answered. We all have a theory but that's all it'll ever be. Unless some green Martian abducts me and probes my orifices with a strange metallic object. Till then I'll leave it in the "yet to be decided upon" folder.

Skiing? How did you know I went skiing? Yeah ... it was good. I ski a lot during the Summer months ... and it's a great outing for my dogs.

Freaky!!! You stalking me?

@ CC

Half a trillion stars per galaxy and trillions of galaxies in the known universe...and to us, our solar system is enormous.

Odds are, not only are we not alone but an exo-pilitical system exists out there and we are completely oblivious to it.

If humans stay alive for the next thousand years, our technology will be so far ahead of what it is now that it'll be make today's latest gadgets look like stone tools. How about a million years?

Consider the earth is 4 billion years old...of which human history is at most 200 000 thousand years. The universe is estimated to be 13 Billion years old.

The most unlikely of all options is that we are alone. By far the most likely scenario is that there is an abundance of life out there and a hell of a lot of it is way higher up on the food chain than we are.

For me, its not possible to remain uninterested in this subject.

I'll update this thread with more on the story as/when new bits are released.

Here's an interview with the pilot whose voice can be heard on the video in question...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCaruUtiPHo

Sound like a mad man or scam artist?

Yeah ... space and what's out there is very interesting. It's vast and we haven't even scratched the surface. As for some form of life existing I'm not so sure. There's no evidence of it and we've been scouring the heavens for awhile now. Not even a single celled organism has been discovered. Nix ... nada ... !! What are the chances that there could be intelligent life ... a being of sorts far more advanced that us primitive apes out there?

Surely we would have picked up something by now?

God is a spirit so he doesn't count ... and besides that ... He's the creator of it all (my opinion) which automatically disqualifies him as a life source.

I saw a chart where the top 10 largest stars in the Universe were compared to our Sun.

VY Canis Majoris (HyperGiant) is the biggest one that we know of and it dwarfs our Sun so much so that it looks like a pixel. Earth is barely visible when placed side by side. It's incredible.

Check this out ... http://forcetoknow.com/space/top-10-largest-stars-universe.html .

You can't tell me it all happened with the big bang 13 billion years ago. Sorry but I don't buy that nonsense.

@ CC

We've been searching for signs of life via radio waves. Radio waves which even by our our progression will be obsolete technology in the not too distant future as we move toward quantum(instantaneous encrypted) communication. IE radio waves will be used by an advanced society for mere blink of a blink of a blink of an eye.

Perhaps we're aiming to high up on the food chain.

Instead of looking for intelligent life, perhaps we should rather be focusing on finding some microscopic creature crawling around in some cosmic sludge. That at least would give us the proof we've been looking for.

Right now we have nothing. NOTHING!!!! When I say nothing, I mean no evidence of any sort. Not a piece of a flying saucer that may have crashed landed ... or ... a fragment of his ray gun ... or ... a corpse or any small part thereof. We have nothing at all. Not even a single celled blob of puss.

Let's face it ... if there are highly advanced beings out there, they would have come across our primitive attempts at making contact. Advancing our technology will undoubtedly bring us much of the same ... NOTHING!!!

I think you should rather accept the facts that we are alone ... at least till something more tangible comes along.

You have a much better chance of meeting God than you do ET.