Wow ... I didn't realize just how much this means to you.
Well ... let's take a little gander at why I think it's a pointless exercise to wait indefinitely in hope of something that can never be.
So far the make-up of all the planets in our galaxy has been determined. We know what toxic gases are present ... we know that there's no breathable air and that's without ever having landed an exploratory vessel on any of them.
We know that there's no drinkable water and have a very good idea of their weather patterns. We have proof that many of these planets are ravaged by violent storms, some electrical, with unimaginable wind speeds, heat and below freezing temperatures.
We have determined much of the same make-up on planets beyond our galaxy, using the same technology. None are suitable for life. If we can't find a single globule of living puss then the chances of finding anything advanced or with intelligence is seriously doubtful.
Why bother sending probes that cost millions of dollars to take soil samples when we already know what we'll find. Nothing.
I think that blaming our technology or lack thereof as the reason we haven't found anything is rather desperate. We are a lot more advanced than you may think.
Good luck with your search for ET.
@ CC
Here are some some numbers for you.
About one in five stars in our galaxy has a planet within the Goldie Locks zone. There are roughly 200 billion stars in the galaxy. As a result there are approximately ten to eleven billion planets where the possibility of conventional(life as we understand it) exists.
For me that's more than enough reason to maintain an open mind.
You make it sound as though we're well aware of the chemical makeup of at least a significant amount of the planets out there. The opposite is true.
I'm not here to argue for or against this topic nor am i searching for ET. You usual tactic of putting words in the mouth of the person you don't agree with huh? Nothing new.
I'm just interested i discussing this story as relates to Tom Delonge and his collaborators.
In case you missed it, that's what this thread is about.
Care to comment on the story?
No ... I don't have anything to add to his deluded state. He probably smoked a little weed and saw a flying saucer ... much like I saw meteors. It's called hallucinations.
You are way to sensitive, Plum. Pick up the lip, boet.
I'm not arguing with you. I'm merely putting my point forward ... which seems to have provoked an emotional response ... I suspect because you want ET to be out there ... and so far there's no sign of him any where at all. Not a foot print ... not even a dropping.
"where the possibility of conventional(life as we understand it) exists.For me that's more than enough reason to maintain an open mind"
That's an interesting comment. Is there any other type of life? I know of a life in the flesh and I know of a life in the spirit which is a life not burdened by a physical vessel. What else is there? Are you talking of a different dimension to either of these plains? Not physical ... not spiritual either? Exactly what did you mean by that?
Are you a member of Scientology? Do you believe we were planted here by an Alien race ages ago? Is that why you've rejected the existence of God? Replaced Him with ET. Are you into astral projection and the power of the mind? Telekinesis?
@CC
Emotional you say?
Yes I'm obviously into Scientology. I wanted Tom Cruise to be my sponsor. No wait wrong organisation and wrong guy. I meant to say AA and Mel Gibson.
I remain uninterested in your world view or what fairy tale you believe in.
This thread was about a story in the media that if anyone could provide some insight into it's in validity.
You don't seem to be able to.
Thanks for the journey though.
Big kisses.
That's a pity.
For a moment there I thought you'd become a complex and interesting person. One with a whole different out look on life. Turns out you are as big a bore as the rest of us. Just another one groping around in the dark for the meaning of it all.
One who feels threatened by a few questions ... who's quick to duck for cover and go on the defensive. Turns out you don't even have the balls to stand up for what you believe in.
I take it then that you have no idea what you meant by that comment. You just threw it in for the hell of it, huh?
Ok.
Tell me ... what are the odds of winning the Lotto? A few million to one ... perhaps? A little more ... a little less? Do you think that there's a possibility of you ever winning this big prize? Do you think that a percentage of say 0.00000001 is about a fair estimate of winning the illusive, life changing bag of moola? Am I being to generous?
You spoke of billions of planets ... not even millions ... but BILLIONSSSSSSSSSS of planets ... out there. Now in all honesty ... what do you think our chances are of EVER finding a globule of living puss in all that? Would you say that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% is about a fair estimate?
If we were able, how long do you think it'll take us to do this? Will mankind even exist by the time this piece of living snot surfaces ?
And you're hopeful ... of finding an intelligent, technologically advanced ET?
Wow!! You didn't think that one through, did you?
Ok ... run for cover ... I won't press you any longer.
"where the possibility of conventional(life as we understand it) exists.For me that's more than enough reason to maintain an open mind"
Until relatively recently we were entirely unaware of...
Viruses
Bacteria
Tube Worms
Until we discovered those, our idea of life as "we knew it" was different to what it is now. We thought that life 100% required sunlight. Then discovered that all life requires is heat, water and minerals.
There have been experiments done where the Martian "atmosphere" was replicated in a lab with a view to seeing how certain types of bacteria would cope. Surprisingly, even though the bacteria had evolved on earth, some of it was able to replicate on another planet and under entirely different conditions, while being exposed to very high amounts of radiation.
There is not a chance in hell that we have as yet discovered all forms of life.
Life in different pressures, gravity, temperature, chemical conditions and so on could be very far removed from what we presently understand life to be.
That's not yet taking into account that it's very possible for other forms of life to rely on another building block, unlike our carbon based world.
The double-helix gene of earth's life forms is also not set in stone. No reason why there cant be a triple or quadruple or more based genetic code elsewhere...or something totally different. Like the difference between HTML and Linux.
Then we could move onward and consider the possibility of AI and the the idea of trans humanism. Like it or not we are already in the trans-human age and from here on out things will only progress. Upgrades to brains, nervous systems and other environmental interface mechanisms to be grafted directly into the body. That future is coming. You need only look at what the big tech companies are investing in these days to understand that.
A friend of mine is doing research on genetic implantation. That is, taking artificially created bits of code and implanting them into either an embryo or a living body to bring about a desired result. Where does that take us?
Its reasonable to assume that at some point down the line society choose machine based immortality over the frail biology we are currently subject to. IE a race of biologically spawned conscious beings living inside of immortal robotic bodies. Multi-conscious hive mind types where one consciousness can be present inside of an entire group of individuals.
So, from both biological and engineering standpoints life is changing and it is quite probable that even our own human life, this one example that we have, will be vastly different from what it is now. At some point possibly, unrecognizable from its present carnation.
Then we could talk about terraforming of planets. All the way from planting genetic code on a planet to races which are able to send self replicating 3d printing robots to a planet and entirely transform a part of the planet or the entire body of it into whatever they please. Would that be conventional life? Probably not.
If you told a machinist a hundred years ago that he would be able to print his tools from a pile of dust and that they'd be stronger than any tool he could create...he'd laugh at you. Much the same as you probably laughed at the above paragraph just then.
Yet here we are. Able to use printers that can print tools from an array of metals to the spec and size that we want.
And just because i'm on a roll right now.
Ever heard of Euphoria? It's self coding engine that requires you to input the first generation of samples along with the desired criteria. The software the n simulates the evolutionary process without requiring any further input and produces the best possible result. For example...
You want to create the strongest drill bit ever. You get some engineers to design you a string of first generation bits. The specs of each bit is then entered into the program and given a numerical value. IE Strength 9/10 weight 7/10 Surface break 8/10 Flexibility 5/10 etc etc.
You can enter say ten 1st generation samples and ask the software to create a population from that. At this step it will take 10 bits and turn them into 10 million bits by simple adjusting the parameters from each bit slightly while maintaining the original average parameters across the population.
So you have a bunch of different bits with different values now entered. Generation 1.
You then enter the desired parameters...
Cut speed, Roundness of Hole, Friction Heat, Durability.
Then all you do is press play.
The software now runs simulations of all these bits carrying out various drilling tasks. And it gives them a score based on how they performed under the selected criteria EG Cut speed 8/10, Roundness of Hole2/10, Friction Heat4/10, Durability 10/10.
It takes the highest scoring bits and mates them, sharing their features.
After this process has been repeated thousands of times it ultimately gives you the parameters for the strongest and most efficient bit possible. One when compared to the original designs imputed is just on a whole new level. Now, what happens when we do this with a much more complex system like a computer or a robot? What if we begin the process at a much more intricate level. Like utilizing mycelium patterning and communication and then building on that? The possibilities are entirely unimaginable.
Now. Take this type of software, add in the idea of 3d or nano-printing and you begin to understand that in the future is very very possible that life will be created. And we we wont be constrained by the double-helix. We wont be constrained by building material and we wont be constrained by energy.
My feeling, since you asked, is that its very possible this type of technology already exists out there. We are doing it, why wouldn't anyone else?
Would we recognize it's product when we see it? Would we know how to look for it? Through the lens of our current understanding of life, sometimes yes and others times, not a chance.
Bored yet?
Scheisse !
Plum...sounds impressive but is it a case of bullshit baffling brains
https://youtu.be/N03Uoj6p9QA
Plum, I see one of the photos provided by Tom, has turned out to be phony...a weather balloon of all thinhs????
Plum glad to see you are a thinking sort of guy. Stories of sightings, UFO crashes, the bodes of aliens are in in existence abound etc BUT it is all supposedly covered up. WHY.
I believe in the vast expanse of God's created universe he made other life forms. Its a belief not a proven fact but would be a huge surprise if we were the only planet with intelligent l ife,. I exclude ou warped DUD and ou maaaikie from the intelligent group of course.