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Top Polish General: ‘Ukrainian Losses Must Be Counted in the Millions, Not Hundreds of Thousands’

Started by Beeno140 REPLIES7,343 VIEWS· 20 Mar 2024, 08:19
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Mar 2024, 08:19
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20 Mar 2024, 08:19#1


About a month ago, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky came to public and stated that Kiev forces had lost a grand total of 30 thousand troops in the war.

It was a shame to see how the world’s MSM sheepishly accepted these figures, that everyone knew were not accurate in the least. (Poor old blobbie sucked up all the propaganda as per usual as did the very frot five as a whole!)

Russian defense minister Sergey Shoigu had put the number of Ukrainian losses at over 600 thousand – and apparently the real numbers may be an order of magnitude greater.

A high-ranking Polish general has just gone on the public record saying that Ukrainian losses in its confrontation with the Russian Forces should be counted in the millions, rather than in hundreds of thousands.

TASS reported:

“Former Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Armed Forces Rajmund Andrzejczak said in an interview with the Polsat TV channel: ‘I believe that [Ukraine’s actual] losses should be counted in the millions, not the hundreds of thousands. There are no resources in this country, no one left to fight’, the general added.

‘The Ukrainians are losing this war’, he said, describing the situation as ‘very, very dramatic’.”

General Andrzejczak said that the recent top brass reshuffle, with Alexander Syrsky replacing Valery Zaluzhny had not changed anything.

“‘General Syrsky is facing the same dilemmas as General Zaluzhny. It turns out that he had to withdraw the troops and tidy up the frontline. All the problems that Zaluzhny had still remain’, he maintained.”

“A Ukrainian soldier fighting near the country’s northern front line has described the menace of Russia’s bombardment, telling [the press] that they are ‘losing so many people, there are so many bodies we can’t even bring them all back’.

Describing the fight as ‘fucking awful’, the soldier, identified by the paper as Lemur, added that Ukrainian forces in the area can’t move forward.

‘We can barely hold the line’, he said.”

Lemur is reportedly fighting at Kupiansk in Ukraine’s northern Kharkov Oblast.


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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Mar 2024, 10:34
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20 Mar 2024, 10:34#2

At least 500,000 have been injured on both sides. Each country has probably had more than 200,000 deaths.

Russia has had more injuries, but they have a population that is about 4 times the size.

Although bear in mind that Poland is one of the countries most keen to join the war. They support Ukraine, not your Putin God figure.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Mar 2024, 11:37
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20 Mar 2024, 11:37#3

Wrong on all counts.

Firstly the Ukrainian population has seen a mass exodus. So its now thought to be around 20 million. 

The Russian population is around 144 million. So the Russian population is roughly 7 times the size.

According to the Russian 600,000 Ukranian soldiers have been Killed. Col McGregor says its around 500,000

The Pentagon says 8 Ukrainians are killed for every Russian. But this could be on the low side and it might be 10 Ukrainians soldiers killed to one Russian. 

So you could have 50,000 Russians killed and 500,000 Ukrainians killed. The wounded figures would be much higher.

Russian artillery outmatch what the Ukrainians have 10 to 1. Russia control the skies and have no shortages regarding ammunition. Their weaponry is better as well.

That said you have to wonder where this former Polish General chief of Poland's armed forces gets his figures.

All this blood and destruction rests squarely on the illegitimate Biden regime who very clearly instigated this war along with their Globalist predecessors. Life means nothing to them be it un-borns, children, the useless eaters etc.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Mar 2024, 12:29
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20 Mar 2024, 12:29#4

Your a backward religious person, no better than the Taliban or Putin

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Mar 2024, 13:08
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20 Mar 2024, 13:08#5

SB

Accoding to record of the EU the present popultion is less than 23 million remaining after more than 11 million fled to the EU countries and Russia evacuated 3,5 million women and children deep inside Russia.  

In a video I watched yesterday an Ukrainian refugee in  Ireland said a whole generation of young men has been wiped out.   When Time Magazine said the average age of the Ukraine Army is on average 43 years of age -  the myth was circulated that the call up age was 27 years of age.   There are two issues that counter that claim, namly -

*    the fact that an international institution tried to rescue children from Avdivka they found that the parents hid even boys younger than 14 years of age because they feared tyhat the children be grabbed by the Ukraine army to send to the fighting frontwhere heir life exeency was 4 hours; and

*     The Ukraine Government demanded that the EU Government arrest and send all men over 17 years of age back to Ukraine.

Despite all the denials - the Ukraine Army is in  full retreat.    They do not have the men left to continue with the war  and there is no .chance at present if he $60 billion requested by Biden be approved by the House.   If anything is in the end approved  it would be much less than requested by Biden on behalf of the Zelenskyy Government.   So much less to loot than there used to be. 

Thee was a bill submitted in the House that a team of auditors be appoined to audit be appointed t audit the books of the US Defense Deaprtment and in cases of transfer of money to the Ukraine government to ensure their are no corruption involved.    The same team  of auditers shall deal with both.   The Defense Department books have not been audited sine 2003.

       

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Mar 2024, 14:37
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20 Mar 2024, 14:37#6
It is clear that Ukraine will eventaully lose. Both sides have had horrendous losses. No one knows for sure what the numbers are - except the militaries in Ukraine and Russia.What we read in the media cant be verified.

Perhaps it is time for NATO to join the war. It seems that the war with Putin is invetibale. Their is no doubt that Putin will attack a NATO country if he wins in Ukarine.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Mar 2024, 14:51
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20 Mar 2024, 14:51#7

B S

There will be no attack on any NATO country unless the relevant counbtry  attacks Russia,   In any event the fact is  you supported the war and you did everything required from you and my advice to  you are check the facts before you write B S on site.    .  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Mar 2024, 14:51
#8
20 Mar 2024, 14:51#8

B S

There will be no attack on any NATO country unless the relevant counbtry  attacks Russia,   In any event the fact is  you supported the war and you did everything required from you and my advice to  you are check the facts before you write B S on site.    .  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Mar 2024, 14:51
#9
20 Mar 2024, 14:51#9

B S

There will be no attack on any NATO country unless the relevant counbtry  attacks Russia,   In any event the fact is  you supported the war and you did everything required from you and my advice to  you are check the facts before you write B S on site.    .  

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Mar 2024, 18:13
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20 Mar 2024, 18:13#10

It is clear that Ukraine will eventually lose.

Why?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Mar 2024, 19:01
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20 Mar 2024, 19:01#11

Simple Math...unless God intervenes...but in your world view David and Goliath is a fairytale....it's simple numbers...and if Snark can recognize it and you don't, youre in more trouble than you think...

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Mar 2024, 19:02
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20 Mar 2024, 19:02#12
@Stav,
Russia is winning the territory battle. It has been ages since Ukraine gained ground. 
Putin just has more men and he is recruiting mercenaries as well. 
Putin is happy to sacrifice 3 Russians for one Ukranian.
I think NATO should get involved because Putin is claiming that the reason he is invading Ukraine is because of NATO expansion. (in addition to the claim about Nazis in Ukraine). 

If Putin's quarrel is with NATO, then NATO should get involved. Putin is now Hitler. The battle with Hitler was inevitable, the longer that countries left it- the stronger the Nazi's became

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Mar 2024, 19:07
#13
20 Mar 2024, 19:07#13

NE-FUCKEN-GOTIATE...are you fcn insane propagating a hot war between Russia and NATO?..

this has gone on long enough...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Mar 2024, 19:11
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20 Mar 2024, 19:11#14
Sure Poland is going to attack Russia….Wanker in mid season form.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Mar 2024, 20:04
#15
20 Mar 2024, 20:04#15

Who knows what stupid sh!t the  powers that be will come up with?



....the whole war thing was a stupid thing to begin with in the 1st place....

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
20 Mar 2024, 20:41
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20 Mar 2024, 20:41#16

Simple Math...unless God intervenes...but in your world view David and Goliath is a fairytale

Except its not. This isn't a straight fight between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine is backed by the West and countries allied to the west, the richest and militarily most advanced block of nations in the world.

While it's clear Russia has a manpower advantage and a very considerable advantage in military equipment being the inheritor of the Soviet Union, the second advantage is finite and Russia's military production capacity is absolutely dwarfed by the Wests potential military production capacity. Can military production capacity overcome a manpower advantage, I don't know but again neither do the Vatniks/Tankies/Zbots.

Its also clear at this point Russia's military while having massive capability in area's such as artillery has proven itself technically inferior to the western military technoology and when it comes to battlefield strategy and tactics (and also acknowledging they have shown some signs of adaption over the course of the war), they have proven to be by and large mostly utterly incompetent, willing to use little more than brute force to achieve marginal gains.

Ask yourself this, why has Putin constrained Russia's military effort by not going to full mobilization?

The answer is that even Putin believes he has limits in how much he can push Russia, how much he can hide the dead bodies coming homing, how much Russia is willing to sacrifice for a cause very few  in Russia cares for. He has advantages in how he can suppress and crack down on dissent but so did the Tsar of Russia.

and if Snark can recognize it and you don't, youre in more trouble than you think...

You don't even recognize your pushing Russia propaganda. Do I know if Ukraine can win? No I do not. But neither do you know that Ukraine can't win. This isn't an all out fight for survival that World War 2 was to Russia, but a campaign of military conquest and Russia has lost them before, see the Soviet Polish War of 1918-1921 or the Soviet Unions occupation of Afghanistan.  But I do know if everyone thinks Russia can't be beaten and why try is the prevailing attitude then simple minded and self serving politicians will play up to that and that has very real and deadly consequences for Ukraine.. See the MAGA Republican Quisling in congress, fucking tools of the Kremlin.

@Stav,

Russia is winning the territory battle. It has been ages since Ukraine gained ground. 
Putin just has more men and he is recruiting mercenaries as well. 
Putin is happy to sacrifice 3 Russians for one Ukranian.

How long was the western front stagnant in World War I before the Allies prevailed? The military situation for Ukraine at present is difficult but does not mean they are going to be beaten. But they will be if they are not sent military aid. Most of Ukraine's present difficulties can be attributed to a lack of support from the west not an exhaustion of manpower or lack of will to fight.

As I said before Putin has limits. Just because he's a dictator doesn't mean he can keep throwing away Russian lives without consequence. His regime was already shaken once by the Wagner mutiny. He was clearly reluctant to move to war economy in the past and now to move to full mobilization because he knows Russia can't support this war indefinitely. He's bet the farm on the west losing interest or throwing Ukraine to the wolves. AKA that people in the West abandon critical thinking like say Draad and Plum do and give into hysteria, OMG Russia is invincible or Russia will nuke us all.
After all if Russia is so all powerful...why did their energy blackmail of the west fail. Why have they been unable to knock out Ukraine's energy grid this year. Why has Ukraine successfully been able to maintain a maritime corridor for ships to be able to enter and leave Ukrainian ports. I mean these where all major objectives of Russia in the first 2 years of the war. Why are the "Russia too stronk" guys quiet on these failures?


I think NATO should get involved because Putin is claiming that the reason he is invading Ukraine is because of NATO expansion. (in addition to the claim about Nazis in Ukraine). 

If Putin's quarrel is with NATO, then NATO should get involved. 
Putin is now Hitler. The battle with Hitler was inevitable, the longer that countries left it- the stronger the Nazi's became
NATO doesn't even need to get directly involved. Just give Ukraine everything it needs to turf Russia out.
And yes the West need to realize allowing Putin a victory now will have just coming back for more. Russia likely used a false flag operation to start the second Chechen war, it attacked and took over part of Georgia, its attacked and taken over parts of Ukraine twice, its carried out assassinations with chemical warfare agents in western countries, its allowed cyber attacks from its territory on western countries, its violated the air and sea space of western countries dozens of times, its practically taken over Belorussia through a coercive political union (that everyone on here seems oblivious too). It's consistently broken internationally treaties its agreed too. Its a damn Mafia state, but the appeasers here think Putin will honor some sort of peace treaty with Ukraine and won't just break it at the first opportunity ...fuck off please...seriously...taking about naive.
And naive to what Russia is and will do to occupied Ukraine.
NE-FUCKEN-GOTIATE
Go to Bucha and say that.
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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Mar 2024, 22:17
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20 Mar 2024, 22:17#17

Yes, Stav. Some heavy artilery is needed- the best that NATO has.
Otherwise, I think NATO might end up with troops on the ground if Ukraine looks certain to lose. If Ukraine lose, they become part of Russia -and that is another 30+ million people to be used in army. 

Ukraine should get all the weapons they need to destroy Russian military targets in Ukraine.
This slow protracted warfare is suiting Putin.
The Taurus is needed ASAP, along with more Storm Shaddows.

I have read that EU countries are increasing arms spend of GDP to 2%, and possibally even 3%.
I saw one the leaders of Lativia say that the only way Putin will not attack the EU is if he sees how strong they are.



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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Mar 2024, 02:57
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21 Mar 2024, 02:57#18

The majority of the 143 nations that 'strongly condemned' the illegal invasion should at least be manufacturing & sending armed drones to Ukraine ............... hopefully more than enough to incessantly rain down on the Russians.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Mar 2024, 04:51
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21 Mar 2024, 04:51#19

Well it can't continue like it's going at present...Ukraine will bleed out...the Boers hanged on for 3 years...Ukraine is a much bigger country so who knows.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Mar 2024, 04:54
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21 Mar 2024, 04:54#20

"NATO doesn't even need to get directly involved. Just give Ukraine everything it needs to turf Russia out."


What would that be and at what point would it become an act of war?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Mar 2024, 05:29
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21 Mar 2024, 05:29#21

More sophisticated western weapons for attack & armaments that will improve their defensive ability to substantially reduce the number of missiles & drones getting through.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Mar 2024, 05:36
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21 Mar 2024, 05:36#22
Plenty of the shit causing untold havoc comes from NKorea & Iran  ........
Zelensky's said often enough that all he wants is weapons & money
















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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Mar 2024, 08:11
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21 Mar 2024, 08:11#23

I mam amazed by the BS Stav, Beeno and BB came up with above.   They do not realize that Ukraine cannot win the present war and all the BS that specially Stav came up with is not worthy of a reply.   

The USA with all their mighty capacity fled during the night from Afghanistan after being unable to win the war laving billions in arms behind.   Those ams are now being used by the proxies of he Iran Government.

The US Aid to Ukraine is funding corruption in both countries and the Republicans wanted the US Defense force expenditure and the grant funding of the US to Ukraine audited, since the Ukraine Government is notorious for being the most corrupt in Europe and the present Biden administration is the most corrupt the USA has ever had.

The governments in NATO are msotly weak and very unpopular.   The German government is now having popular support of less than 30% and the same can be said of the US Government.  Ultra-leftist BS is unacceptable in most countries.    In France the pro-communist Soialists are now the majority Party in the French Parilament and Macron's party is self-destructing.   In the Uk one cannot make out anything about the present political suiituation.   The Conservative Party  Government is living on cloud 9 and grosslly unpopular.   In Ireland law and order is collapsing due to the refugee and illegal migrant influx into the country coupled to the EU and USA wars against agriculture.  Same has alreay happened in the Netherlands, Italy. Austria, Slovakia and Spain.    If the German Government tries to get involved against a war against Russia it will not survive a week in power.

The undermining of believe in countries and their loyalty to their countries where they live has created a situation where people are not prepared to fight for their countries and their people and culture.   It has been destroyed by the leftist woke culture that is ruining most of the NATO countries at present.     

The idea that NATO with their piss-poor leadership in virtually all countries can win a war against Russia and can sustain the war in Ukraine is a joke in bad taste.   The USA could not win the war in Iraq after 20 year and fled from Afghanistan in disgrace is a sign that they cannot  win anything anymore.    In any event a NATO war against Russia will inevitably lead to an attack of China on South Korea and Taiwan with Australia being under threat from China as well.    So in a war attacking Russia  would lead to  WW3 - which the weakened Western Countries cannot win.

China and Turkey is now trying to get a ceasefire in Ukraine - but the Russians will not negotiate with the proxy US Government in Kiev and insist that the USA should be part of negotiations - and that is where the fun would start.   If there is a competent US Secretary of State and not the idiot in that position at present - there may be progress in negotiations.    Let me explain a bit of Blinken tactics.   He came to SA in 2022 to try and convince he SA Government to side with the USA in their approach towards the Ukraine War - was given a lecture about peacefull negotiations iro of the Ukraine situation and sent packing.     He is in Qatar at present  trying to get the hostages kept by Hamas freed and is offering a massive amount of money in return for releasing the hostages.    

The so-called NATO superiority in arms is a myth and that has been proved in the Ukraine War. = where Russia holds all the aces. 

I will obviously be accused of being a Russian bot.  I am not i am facing a reality that I hate and that is destroying of the NATO countries and democracy in the world by the present situation.        .    .                

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Mar 2024, 09:03
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21 Mar 2024, 09:03#24

What would that be and at what point would it become an act of war?

Artillery and lots of it. More anti missile defense system, fighter jets and long range strike missiles. No part of occupied Ukraine should be outside of Ukrainian strike range.

I'd be even in favor of allowing them to hitting military targets inside Russia itself, such as missile launch sites and airbases but not civilian population centers.

If that's too much for the West, then give Ukraine the mean's to produce its own long range strike missiles.

As for an act of war, seriously what can Russia do in response?. Declare war against the west when its got it hands full in Ukraine.



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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
21 Mar 2024, 09:50
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21 Mar 2024, 09:50#25

Yes, Stav. Or perhaps even given them the Taurus to strike Russian oil fields.
Russia are totally depdendent on selling fossil fuel, and if their sites are destroyed they are stuffed. That might be the quickest way to end the war. 

One of the Oligarchs will have Putin killed. Then Russia knows that they need to end the war to get their economy running again.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Mar 2024, 11:50
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21 Mar 2024, 11:50#26

BS  Mozart has said he following;-

 Sure Poland is going to attack Russia….Wanker in mid season formSo MOzart 

Did the Wall Street Journal said Russia is going to attack Poland?   Or where did yu get that BS from.      

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AJHPro3,183 posts
21 Mar 2024, 14:30
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21 Mar 2024, 14:30#27

Sharktwat please stop thinking.

The last thing needed in this conflict is your military input.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Mar 2024, 15:32
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21 Mar 2024, 15:32#28

"Russia are totally depdendent on selling fossil fuel, and if their sites are destroyed they are stuffed. " 

And fuck up inflation for the West even more...we're already at record high fuel prices...that's why lefties kill the economy oblivious to the consequences...the road to Hell is paved with good intentions...the west should produce more oil to drive the price down.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Mar 2024, 19:24
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21 Mar 2024, 19:24#29

I note that the half baked sharktwit still thinks Russia is losing as many men as Ukraine. The kill ration according to the Pentagon is 8 Ukrainians die to 1Russian. The Population of Russia is around 146 million. Ukraine is down to roughly 20 million.

Russia has all the military hardware it needs and could mobilize an estimated 30 million men. It has hyper sonic missiles that cant be stopped. It has nuclear subs off the coast of the USA and .Europe. Russia cant be defeated. Its economy is doing welletc

 Its has ground down the AFU. Macron was been warned any troops he sends will be targeted. This is a last ditch attempt by Macron to get the French people to back him. However the fact is nobody wants this war except the Globalist Elites and their media etc.

Any attempt by NATO to escalate this war will find the Russian using fist tactical nukes and then all bets are off. 

I saw on Twitter China warning against any NATO attack on Russia. Then you have nuclear power North Korea, Iran etc to think about.

What is this all about. The Globalists controlling NATO wanted to oust Putin and grab Russian lands. They have failed miserably. Russia has in fact humiliated them. They refuse to allow historically Russian provinces and cities to revert to Russia despite the Zelensky genocide and  these Russian populated areas voting that they wanted out. The don't want a neutral Ukraine. They wanted and got a Ukraine heavily armed, having Bio Labs and missiles pointing at Russia. After decades of provocation Putin said enough was enough.

Now the Globalist ruled West has created a bi polar world that threatens the West.

Some wonder why Putin has not been more aggressive. Putin has said he regards the Ukrainians as fellow slaves and Christians and anticipates the day when they will be friends again.

The Russian bogeyman will be used by the Globalist to try and gains support. However polls and protests etc show the People are awake and that they are failing.

One thing you can be sure if if Trump wins in November he will quickly end this war when he takes office. But before then it looks like hundreds of thousands are going to die and more destruction will take place.

AND we haven't even spoken about the other wars and potential wars. Nor about the economic meltdown the US is facing due to ever mounting dent levels and the threat to the dollar. We see the war on energy and food. The war on small business as well. 

I keep see people talking about a coming black swan event. The Globalist demonrats are desperate and capable of anything.






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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
21 Mar 2024, 19:34
#30
21 Mar 2024, 19:34#30
Beeno is an example of the moral decline of the religious. 
With the progression of technology and reason, it is clear to all that religion is just a man-made entity. 
This has created internal conflict within the religious. Deep down they know their belief is a fairytale, and they know believing this is lying to themselves and just not facing reality.
Without the moral compass of the Bible, they have become lost sheep.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Mar 2024, 23:31
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21 Mar 2024, 23:31#31

Saarkie, ffs Beansht aint Christian ......................... like Trump & Putin nothing but a fake using Christianity as a cover for their nefarious pursuits.

Christian se gat se moer ................. Beansht's a stink phoney.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Mar 2024, 23:31
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21 Mar 2024, 23:31#32

Neither is ouMaaik ...................... he's a closet-atheist  ......................although doesn't want to upset the happy clappers in the ZBot brigade  .

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
21 Mar 2024, 23:47
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21 Mar 2024, 23:47#33

Those Russians must be supermen, 6 months ago pedobenno was claiming Russian losses at 50,000. Six months later and they haven't lost a single man as he is claiming Russian losses are still at 50,000

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
21 Mar 2024, 23:59
#34
21 Mar 2024, 23:59#34

Ah the internet, bringing the worlds village idiots together to form one big global commune of idiocy.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Mar 2024, 00:22
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22 Mar 2024, 00:22#35

Pigoshit, before he fell from the sky reckoned he lost that many from his under-resourced convict-gangster brigades .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Mar 2024, 04:07
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22 Mar 2024, 04:07#36

I do not know how to understand the above BS.   Stav still think that the USA produce nmore modern warfare equipment and armaments than the Russians do and the Chinese has all he secrets of US  arms manufacturers.    Ther eis zero the US  produced that is not inferior to what the Russians produce.    That has been proved by the Ukraine war.

The US have ligh weight glide bms - the Russians has havy weight and more destructive glide bombs.   The west talks about artillery shells to be provided ato Ukraine and spke about 30 000 such bombs be delivered every month.   The russians produce 100 000 such bombshells in a month.

Stav talk about plane usage by NATO - the F16 was te miracl hn introduced by the  USA  in the 1980' - at present the main fighting aircarft is the F18,    The USA ha produced more modern planes in the past 10 years - but there is a problem - about half of th elevant planes are grounded mostly due to the complicated comuter system usd for operation and flying of the planes malfuctioned and the pilots have problems wth the planes.   one of the planes crashed after a pilot baled out and use of the  planes in  a war will at best be problematic.

The second issue ss that the training of Ukainians  to fly the planes was originally estmated a year ago to be 18 months.   It is dountulk that - even if training started a year ago - it will be a further 6 months before  the Ukrainians ae eady o fly and oprae he weapon systems they have to u se.    The Russians have the same satellie systems  that the West has and they would know exactly from where the planes fly in any attack against Russia.    

The Russians ha more modern planes than the F16's and the chances of suvival of attacking F16 will be remote.    I am sorry to disillution you lot - but any attack on Russia by planes using NATO pilts will be an attack on Russia and with teh armies of the US A 9 the weakest the ast 150 years) and te farcical armies of other members  a war against Russia will be lost.

The other poblem is that none of teh US and NATO armies ae ready for such a war and so is the Governments in the UJSA and in EU countries - weak and unpopular Governments do not win wars.   The  country with the best trained army in NATO is Turkey and they will not be part of a war against Russia.    In any event Turkey has applied for BRICS membership and that will weaken the European component of the NATO members in jeopardy.

The further fact that site members ignore is that if Russia is attacked by NATO on the basis suggested by Stav - the Chinese will attack Taiwan and South Korea and conquer those two counries wihin weks and theer is zero the USA and their NATO allies can do about it.   The target of China after that would be Australia with its wide open spaces and natural resources will be the enxt atrget of China and again there is at present nothing to prevent an attack on Australia. by the Chinese.   

There is one other idiocy prevailing and that is religious hatred.   Religion has nothing  to do with the situationm - but an attack on culture and language are what causes problems coupled to teh Woke cuklture prevailing in Europe that is going to cause wars in future,   

Forget abiout winnnig the war in Ukraine and rather think about peace negotiations  but even there Rusia will not conduct negotiations wit Ukraine without he USA be present and agreeing to settlement of disputes through negotiation without US A invovlement will be impossible since the USA has sabotaged similar agreements and negotiations in  the past.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Mar 2024, 04:34
#37
22 Mar 2024, 04:34#37

Don't forget Putin facing justice for war crimes ............... The Hague beckons.

526 × 638

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Mar 2024, 05:05
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22 Mar 2024, 05:05#38

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
22 Mar 2024, 05:07
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22 Mar 2024, 05:07#39
Vladimir PutinPolish football/soccer fans wishing Putin a noose around his neck Polish football fans make their feelings towards Vladimir Putin clear at today's Lech Pozna? vs Legia Warsaw match

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