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Trump blocks postal funds to prevent expanded mail-in voting

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 01:04
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14 Aug 2020, 01:04#1
Trump blocks postal funds to prevent expanded mail-in votinghttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-53772526
Image copyrightAFPImage captionThe coronavirus pandemic has hit the US Postal Service hard

President Donald Trump says he opposes additional funds for the US Postal Service as it would boost mail-in voting he claims would help Democrats.

"They want $3.5bn for something that will turn out to be fraudulent. That's election money, basically," Mr Trump said in a telephone interview with Fox Business Network.

Despite Mr Trump's claims, there is little evidence that mail-in voting - which the US military uses - is rife with fraud or that it favours one political party more than another.

A spokesman for Mr Biden condemned the comment, saying: "The president of the United States is sabotaging a basic service that hundreds of millions of people rely upon, cutting a critical lifeline for rural economies and for delivery of medicines, because he wants to deprive Americans of their fundamental right to vote safely during the most catastrophic public health crisis in over 100 years."

"This is an assault on our democracy and economy by a desperate man who's terrified that the American people will force him to confront what he's done everything in his power to escape for months - responsibility for his own actions," added spokesman Andrew Bates.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2020, 01:35
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14 Aug 2020, 01:35#2

Meanwhile the US economy has done better than any country in Europe recovering from the virus. Trump is right votes should be physically cast on Election Day, except if the voter can show he is elsewhere....and voters should produced photo ID. Hell Shark you were for a qualified vote, all Trump is asking is that the voter be clearly identified .....way less of a voting barrier and frankly essential to avoiding fraud.


 Things that would have been universally agreed 5 years ago are now being treated as sinister. Citizenship has obligations as well as rights.



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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 01:43
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14 Aug 2020, 01:43#3
No Trump is well aware that mail-in voting will mean more voters- and these will be more Democratic Party voters.
There is no evidence of mail-in voting fraud that has significantly impacted either side. Trump is rubbishing the US postal service, the states counting and the people- by saying there will be a fraud. That is what Trump does is cause division and conflict. He gets votes from people that hate the other side more than him by using fear-mongering tactics.  
It is a fraudulent claim to deny everyone the right to vote. Every Trumpanzee voted for Trump in the last election, whereas if everyone voted in the next election- Democrats would win by more. 
The US has the worst infection rate in the world, and the death rate is back to 1.5 thousand per day. Mail-in voting can avoid social distancing, and it gives people a chance to vote safely. 
Trump's loyalist base is about 30% of the population, but they are not enough. Often more than a third of a country will not vote. 
If it meant more Trumpanzee voters, Trump would be all for mailing voting -which he does himself along with many other politicians- and people like the army. 
I am in favour of qualified voting, but many Trumpanzees would not make the criteria. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2020, 02:31
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14 Aug 2020, 02:31#4

Well that’s rich.....you spoke ardently about a qualified vote...but now you want to open the doors to mail in votes which are clearly harder to validate. And if they don’t have a significant effect, why are the lefties so incensed.

Nope this ranks up there with the Dem black clothed thugs that patrolled outside voting booths intimidating ignorant voters.


All unnecessary and breaking from long standing tradition. I’m for one man, who can prove he is that man, one vote. As for your two positions....a qualified vote excluding non high school graduates and mail in voting for everybody.....it sounds like the ravings of a schizo nutter!

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 02:38
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14 Aug 2020, 02:38#5
A qualified vote would exclude most Trumpanzees.
However, the current system is Democratic and everyone should be able to vote.
Trump brands it as the left mob, but the majority of the Republicans have high school education or less- compared to the city-dwelling Democrats.
The Jo average Trumpanzee does not have the brains to see that a system more left would be in their interests. 
Most Trumpanzees would wait in line for 10 days to vote, so they had a disproportionate amount of the votes last time. Trump is protecting them from Corona, whereas Democrats embrace science and would prefer social distanced votes.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2020, 02:46
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14 Aug 2020, 02:46#6
Wrong again......if there was a high school qualification to vote Republicans would be advantaged:

‘ According to a Pew Research Center poll released this week, Democrats are now the party of college graduates, especially those with post-graduate work. Meanwhile, people with a high-school degree or less, by far the larger group, slightly lean toward Republicans.

Both preferences are the reverse of what they were in the 1990s.‘

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 02:50
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14 Aug 2020, 02:50#7

Not sure if you understood what I meant, as your stats confirm the average Democrat is more educated than the average Republican.

The below-average IQ would have to not make the qualification criteria. 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2020, 06:35
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14 Aug 2020, 06:35#8

Oh I understand perfectly.....your argument was a qualified vote based on a reasonable level of education. Nobody in his right mind would suggest more than High School. That favors Republicans. 

The idea of a qualified vote is to screen out those not capable of rendering a reasoned decision....it has never taken the form of more voting power based on IQ. 

Believe me having taken course work with many PhDs and supervised many of them in the work place, the average  boffin is just as likely to be an emotional thinker.


Hell most of these people thought Trump really colluded with Russia, whereas the average London taxi driver has enough common sense to know that was a laughable hoax.


You believed it as well....why should you get the vote?

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 12:40
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14 Aug 2020, 12:40#9
I did not even follow American politics when Trump was accused of Russian collusion.
I only really started to follow it this year when Trump started a war with Iran after killing the general, and then Trumps Coronavirus comedy act.
I still do not know if Trump was assisted by the Russians, or if it is even possible for foreign countries to have a major impact on US elections.
However based on Trump's personality, and how so many of his associates have gone to jail- it would not surprise me if Trump is involved in numerous fraudulent activities.
Michael Cohen's book (oh another book saying Trump is a conman and a fraud) claims that Trump knows if only gets 4 years as president, the chances are things are going to catch up with him- and he is going to be "locked up". This may or may not be true. However, to have your own personal lawyer for years telling the world you are a crook is pretty compelling. Cohen is a crook himself, so he would know. He claims to be involved in various criminal activities on behalf of Trump.  
However back to the Republicans. Everyone knows most of the Republican voters are below average IQ. Therefore they are less equipped mentally than the average Democrat to vote. 
So I still do not understand your point. 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Aug 2020, 13:14
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14 Aug 2020, 13:14#10

Damn!...This is better trolling than even Trump can muster.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Aug 2020, 14:06
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14 Aug 2020, 14:06#11

Redshark, the way left marxist, continues to show how pathetically dumb he is. 

Let's consider the USA deaths. 

They are very obviously being way overstated and helped by the demonrats. 

5 demonrat run states have over 50% of the deaths. 

43% of US deaths occurred in old age homes. This horric figure is largely accounted for by 4 genocidal demonrat governors ORDERING  old age home to take infected patients. 

VERY IMPORTANTLY OLD AGE FOLK INFECTED IN OLD AGE HOMES BUT DYING IN HOSPITAL ARE NOT COUNTED AS OLD AGE DEATHS!!!! Governor Cuomo's health czar would not give the figure of these deaths. 

So how many totally avoidable deaths occurred because of these old age deaths caused by genocidal demonrat governors??? Could it be 60% of deaths? 

A recent Henry Ford Institute study involving over 2,600 hospitalized patients found that the hydroxychloroquine cocktail halved the death rate. Used as a prophylactic or very earlier it is extremely effective.

Countries using Hydroxychloroquine show a 79% lower death rate!!!

Studies are coming in from all over the world regarding the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine. 

But dear old globalist fraud Fauci fights against it as do the murderous demonrats. If you can kill unborn children up to the point of birth killing older people comes easily! 

Hydroxychloroquine is very cheap and very safe and sold over the counter in many countries. Over 1 billion people have used it. There is no money in it though for Fauci and his buddies and maybe if we can keep the lock down going and overstate the deaths etc we can beat Trump. 

The demonrats want the lock down and as much damage as possible. Throw in Defund the police, violent riots and they are attempting to throw the country into chaos as they attempt a marxist revolution. They will fail in a spectacular fashion. 

Then we have how the deaths are counted. Anybody dying with the Chinese virus but not of the Chinese Virus is counted as a CV  death. Even to the extent of a guy dying of a motorcycle crash!

Even those testing positive in Florida were highly exaggerated. Test centers were reporting 100%of those tested were positive!

Hospitals are incentivized to report deaths as being from the Chinese Virus. 

When challenged they admitted their error and said the real figure was 9.2%

Just about everything you can think of has been lied about by the left.

I shared a while back the numerous studies done on whether masks stop the Coronavirus. All these tests said there was no evidence masks stop one getting the flu. 

I do hope at some point those responsible for the US  deaths such as Fauci, Birx, Gates, demonrat politicians and the demonrat media are held to account. 

A 5 year old white child riding his bicycle  was shot in the head in front of his syblings by a bla ck guy.

Both Blacks and Whites have condemned this outrage and AG Barr announced the culprit has been caught. 

Although covered by Fox the globalist Marxist media are silent. This does not fit the narrative. 

Amazingly some are still duped by the globalist Marxist media. 

Instance after instance has shown that mail in ballots are a recipe for massive fraud. This extreme mong SHARKTWIT knows nothing about all this.

CNN can tell a dope like SHARKTWIT just about anything and the jackass will swallow the BS without a blink. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2020, 15:23
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14 Aug 2020, 15:23#12

Actually HasBeen you have to take it down to the county level....that’s where many of the decisions to open bars and beaches are being taken and more importantly where they are enforced. Much of the pressure on citizens to distance is being exerted by mayors.


It’s a laborious exercise to look at mortality on this basis, but I did it for Florida a few weeks back and nearly 80% of these so called ‘red deaths’ in Florida were occurring in totally Democratic environments like Miami. I’m guessing that’s true for Texas and Georgia as well.

Covid in the US has largely manifested in Democratic areas and largely killed in nursing homes controlled by Democrats. Hopefully one of these ‘dumb’ Republican strategists will give that factoid to the Donald before the first debate,

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 15:46
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14 Aug 2020, 15:46#13
It is ironic that Trumpanzee Republicans call Democrats communists when the average Democrat is more educated and richer than the average Republican. (These are facts folks)

The city-dwelling bourgeoisie makes up most of the white-collar workforce, while the red necks in the rustbelt do the menial labour that was previously reserved for other races.
They support Trump's alt-right reality - as it means a better deal for them. Like a mini Apartheid. If someone is below average intelligence, then they should have a below-average job- that is capitalism. It is fair. However Trump and his sidekicks are all about making the richest percentile richer, and everyone else poorer. The Rustbelt rednecks are being shafted. 

A capitalist uses capital to make more money.
A worker is just an asset deployed by capitalists to make money for the owner.
The average Republican is barely even classified as a first-world person. They are just getting dragged along as consumers. Mcdonald's staff capitalists... sure. 
California and New York are both Democrat- and the best 2 places in America. (Except for those that prefer Alabama). 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2020, 16:29
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14 Aug 2020, 16:29#14

Actually US News just completed an extensive survey of best places to live....top city Fort Myers...number 2 Sarasota where I have recently invested.

Nobody including New Yorkers think the city is the best place to be....when they talk up NY, they are thinking about the Hamptons where all of money’d  NY is right now.

And hot off the press Carl Icahn has just ditched N.Y. for Florida.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
14 Aug 2020, 16:56
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14 Aug 2020, 16:56#15
I would rather live in a Florida or Southern California by the beach and sun. However, New York is certainly one of the most famous cities in the world-  like London. 
San Clemente is nice and I would rather live there than in Los Angeles, although not sure what the property prices would be near the beach...
The Corona death rate is now about 1/4 of what it was back in April, due to improved treatment. If the rest of the US had been hit in March/April- the death rates would be up to 4 times higher. The US is back on 1.5 thousand per day. It could be over 4,500 deaths per day without Remdesivir and Dexamethasone. That would be over 1.5 million deaths in 12 months. 
It shows the original models that gave a range of min and maximum deaths were correct. 

The care home situation was a disaster that needs to be answered fo r in the UK as well. This happened in many countries, but why did it take so long to figure out the problem, and from this the solution. However, a federal government is also responsible for a slow response - as much as a regional area. Otherwise, why have a federal government and pay them taxes. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2020, 00:14
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15 Aug 2020, 00:14#16

There are no studies I know of which claim Remdesivir has significantly altered the death rate. In fact the only published study I know of showed Remdesivir never had a significant effect on the death rate... only on the length of hospitalization.

I think it’s much more likely that the current Covid patient is younger and inherently more likely to survive. The incremental deaths in NY, Washington and New Jersey are almost certainly due to horribly misguided practices affecting nursing homes.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
15 Aug 2020, 00:21
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15 Aug 2020, 00:21#17

Dexamethasone reduces deaths by about 33% for people that are on ventilators.
(Pretty much all the severe cases where there has been a ventilator available). 

Dexamethasone is by far the best advancement made against COVID-19.
The bodies immune system turns on itself in extreme cases of Covid- and kills the body. Dexamethasone stops this from happening.

Trump makes no reference to this drug's effect on Coronavirus treatment in the US- which was identified in the UK. It all America first and take credit for this - along with the Ebola virus vaccine. (developed in Canada). 

I can assure you from reading reports, it is pretty clear that Remdisivir helps people recover faster. I am not sure what reports you read- but it is widely known that Remdisivir does work. 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2020, 01:19
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15 Aug 2020, 01:19#18

These steroids were being used in the US, but not part of big blind studies....as was done in the UK. As the French epidemiologist noted, doing the kind of blind studies they did in the UK is very dubious when people are dying....patients should have the best shot at life.

But no, I know  of no external studies that show Remdesivir saves lives, although Gilead claims their data shows it does.

In the meantime Columbia and Ford hospitals have shown hydroxychloroquine does save live s....and it’s effective in vitro.  I would rank them ...steroid, hcq, remdesivir in terms of proven results....although remdesivir gets huge hype because it’s not Trump.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Aug 2020, 14:43
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15 Aug 2020, 14:43#19

Shark, as people age they naturally become more conservative.

Which is a massive spanner in your idea of mail in voting automatically favoring the Dems.

Just a little bit of common sense for you.

Quoting Obama, the day after the first FBI lawyer pleads guilty in relation to the Russian hoax, is not a smart move.

Par for the VisKo p course I guess.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
15 Aug 2020, 14:59
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mozart

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These steroids were being used in the US, but not part of big blind studies....as was done in the UK.

The steroids were used around the world, but not as a treatment to Coronavirus.

The US benefitted from these blind studies - after they were proven to work in the UK- as did the whole world. They were quickly approved by medical authorities around the world in various countries. The UK is more trusted, unlike the US pushing HCQ by a reality TV star who forced it through the FDA. For a while, until the FDA said it was BS, and even the experts in the Trump task force said it was BS.

To actually believe that the whole world would reject a workable treatment because they do not like Trump is ludicrous. 

The world knows the UK scientists have been the most instrumental in the fight against Corona so far. If the US had been under a better leader, maybe it would be the US leading the way. 

We have Bum Plum as a willing guinea pig to the Oxford treatment as we speak, after South Africa agreed to be part of the testing program. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
16 Aug 2020, 13:54
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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
16 Aug 2020, 14:01
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Aug 2020, 18:34
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17 Aug 2020, 18:34#23
Duh...drool...duh!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Aug 2020, 11:21
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18 Aug 2020, 11:21#24
Walter Cronkite@CronkiteSaysLevel 1:AND THAT’S THE WAY IT IS... Thousands of Seattle Democrats gather to demand mail-in voting because it’s too dangerous to vote in-person
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2020, 01:09
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19 Aug 2020, 01:09#25

Classical.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
19 Aug 2020, 03:19
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2020, 06:40
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19 Aug 2020, 06:40#27

So he actually knows something about running a business like the US PS?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2020, 06:59
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19 Aug 2020, 06:59#28
Most of his holdings are in XPO Logistics a diversified supply chain enterprise ....calling that a post office competitor is a stretch....and the stock was acquired in payment for his own  company. The Post Office rules require no divestment,  which would of course immediately precipitate a big tax payment.

Basically another lie....another breathless fact which is fully disclosed in public filings.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2020, 09:22
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19 Aug 2020, 09:22#29

By Ed O'KeefeSeptember 19, 2011

The Obama administration inserted itself Monday into a years-old fight over the future of the U.S. Postal Service, backing proposals to end Saturday mail delivery and to raise postage rates beyond the rate of inflation.


The support for the proposals came as part of broader White House ideas to pay down the federal deficit.


But the administration declined to endorse the Postal Service’s request that Congress allow it to break labor contracts and lay off as many as 120,000 employees, a key piece of the Postal Service’s plans to cut $20 billion in costs.


Postmaster General Patrick R. Donahoe voiced tepid support for the White House plan, thanking President Obama for presenting “helpful recommendations.”


Although the Postal Service is a self-funding entity that doesn’t accept taxpayer dollars, it is a significant piece of the unified federal budget because its workers and retirees draw benefits from federal workers’ compensation, retirement and health-care accounts.


The White House said its proposals would provide USPS with more than $20 billion in savings in the next few years and cut the federal deficit by more than $18 billion in the next decade.

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