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Trump misses the mark again

Started by Mozart30 REPLIES2,381 VIEWS· 19 Jul 2024, 15:34
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2024, 15:34
#1
19 Jul 2024, 15:34#1

Even the groupies wilted in Milwaukee as Trump droned on repeating the tired old messages he has been sending in his rallies. Like the first debate in 2020 this was a huge miss. 


After the assasination attempt there was a subtle shift in Trump’s direction….a bit of admiration even for the way he handled the incident. A bit of remorse for the rhetoric and a willingness to accept he had some successes as president.


It was the moment to be presidential and limit the negativity, to be positive and a tiny bit  generous. He could have won the whole thing last night, instead he reset the battle lines to where they were before the bullets.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Jul 2024, 16:18
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19 Jul 2024, 16:18#2

Anyone who can listen to Trump drone on for 90 minutes deserves a medal. His campaign will be much stronger if they employ someone who can actually do engaging public speaking and formulate and communicate ideas clearly instead of this mashup of vague percentages and repetitive hyperbole.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2024, 16:26
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19 Jul 2024, 16:26#3

Mozart

 What he did was to call on  the  people to stop hate speech and unite te to b loyal and pud Amerians.

He did not mention Bden's name once in the speech and since it is an RP Convntion dealt with the issues most in the mind of the voters  and included in the RP identified issues  in what is the real start of the federal election campaign.   What else shoud he have dealt wth in the speech?    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2024, 16:26
#4
19 Jul 2024, 16:26#4

Mozart

Trump started his speech on what went through his mind and what happened.   The fireman who died sent his duty dy equipment to Strauss and he got emotional walked  to the micophone and stated that he decided to donate to the widow of the deceased and also to each of the 2 wounded  people $1 mllion.

He then dealt with the need to unite the country and work togethr for the benefit of the USA and said spreading of propaganda leads to spreading of hatred,    He repeated that appeal later on in his  speech.    He never mentionmed Biden or anybody else in the speech,

From there he went on to deal with the issues voters raised in the election as problems that they want reponses from politicians.     That he linked to four of those issies in some detail,   What else shoud he have dealt wth in the speech? 

                  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2024, 17:17
#5
19 Jul 2024, 17:17#5

Former President Donald J. Trump began his prime-time speech at the Republican National Convention on Thursday with a message of unity, presenting a softer image of himself that appeared aimed at courting undecided voters.

But then he went on for an hour and a half, a long verbal walk through the kinds of exaggerations about his record and attacks on Democrats that have become familiar to voters from Mr. Trump’s previous two campaigns and presidency.

For a group of undecided voters from around the country, who are sharing their thoughts on key moments in the race with The New York Times, the effect was not strong. Some found the speech off-putting. A few found bright spots. None were swayed.

“I still don’t know what I’m going to do,” said Sharon Reed, 77, a retired teacher-turned-farmer in rural Pennsylvania who previously voted for Mr. Trump but is torn this year. “He tried, I think, to be much more unifying at the beginning. But then he got on his high horse there at the end.”

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2024, 18:03
#6
19 Jul 2024, 18:03#6

He dealt with the first issue you  raised twice in his speech.   Should have done it a thrd time? 

Second issue raised.   Started whit a lie - the speech in total was 1 hour and 32 minutes and his dscussion of the first part his speech which he started off  took 40 minute.   He never mentioed Biden or anyone else  when the gudelines approved by the RNC as to policies the Goverment would apply.   He obviously dealt with how the Repubicans see the effects of Democratic Party failures,    If that is attacks the question arises whether the Democrats are above being criticized?    

Did anyone not tell you he stared his speech but dealing with the assasination attempt. He described what he did and he admire the spectators for trying to hear that he was we ll.   He also  dealt with another issue.  He at ne stage got quite emotional  and he decided to donate $1 million to the widow of the deceased firmen and each of the people who got wounded.    Was he under any obligation to do that?   

Where did you get that article from?   You better advise the author that BS spreading has been caught out.   .         

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2024, 18:12
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19 Jul 2024, 18:12#7

Sure you are more informed than the NY Times and you of course have your own panel, who give you the real scoop. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2024, 18:19
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19 Jul 2024, 18:19#8

No not more informed - merely more honest - I listened to the speech and recognize BS.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2024, 18:53
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19 Jul 2024, 18:53#9

The speech was full of half truths and claims that can’t be verified until events actually occur. For example ending the Ukraine war….it can be ended today by withdrawing support for  the Ukraine…but ending it on terms acceptable to the participants is in doubt until accomplished.

Everybody persuaded by that borethon was persuaded already and I believe the NYT that anybody who needs to be persuaded, wasn’t. He blew the whole thing because he couldn’t resist sticking it to the Dems.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jul 2024, 18:55
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19 Jul 2024, 18:55#10

Axelrod: Trump’s speech is the first good thing that’s happened to the Democrats in weeks.

 Last time he was this off, in the first debate in 2020, his handlers blamed it on Covid. Last night Biden had Covid and Trump proved he doesn’t have to be sick to be undisciplined and boring.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2024, 19:45
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19 Jul 2024, 19:45#11

Mozart

To enlighten you a bit  -  Trump was dehuminized and turned him into a demon by the media and the Democrats.

So the whole agenda of the RNC was to show up the human side of him.   I watched a few speeches - in particular the one of  Mrs Haley.   It was aimed at that.   The donation of $1 milion each to 2 people for standing up for America    

They know that whatever Trump said would be attacked by the lefty media,   They know the majority of voters claimed that Biden's economic policies failed and the people feel it in thir pockets every month.    

In between speeches there are tributes paid to Trump to show his kindness in cases where Tr ump was invomved.

Their attacks  led to viewers see another kind of person from what the media told them to believe.     

I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW THE MEDIA COULD HAVE MISSED THAT PLOT OF TRUMP.-    It was so bloody obvious that only idiots could miss it.             \   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jul 2024, 08:07
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20 Jul 2024, 08:07#12

He's 79 and just got shot in the face...he deserves some slack...and Trump is many things, boring isn't one of e'm.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Jul 2024, 09:12
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20 Jul 2024, 09:12#13

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jul 2024, 11:24
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20 Jul 2024, 11:24#14

You p!$$Ed off the sniper missed, or you not there yet Blob?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Jul 2024, 12:56
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20 Jul 2024, 12:56#15

That’s a disgusting comment Draad, worthy of Rooinek. You keep introducing emotional guilt into these conversations. This is about the election. Sure he got knocked in the ear….not shot in the face. The real trauma was in how close he came to being killed.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Jul 2024, 13:28
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20 Jul 2024, 13:28#16

It wasn't a comment. I was was a question...and there's actually no guilt intended...I respect Blob and regardless of the optics, I was curious as to his thoughts. I know some people are pissed he missed...wondered if Blob thinks Trump is bad enough that it would have been better if he died rather than be president again...and that would not make him a bad person...he's just convinced that Trump is the bad person some say he is.

And yess I was a bit of a doos there...sorry Bob...I actually mean it. You're one of the good guys.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jul 2024, 13:58
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20 Jul 2024, 13:58#17

SB

Exactly what I expected from you - another attack conssting of hatred spreading BS.  As i this is no going bach  enough the leftist media and shit spreaders are back on tract in a world and country that needs unity and not hatred.

The Democrats and lefitst media are sick people and they lied to support their shit and we have brainwashed idiots like you falling for their shit.         

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AJHPro3,183 posts
20 Jul 2024, 16:15
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20 Jul 2024, 16:15#18

You are correct DbD.

The lefties cannot believe that the shooter missed from that range.

They are pissed off.

Get over it TDS members.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jul 2024, 17:04
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20 Jul 2024, 17:04#19

I listened to entire speech. It was a magnificent effort that inspired America, Trump was strong on a. Umber of issues hammering the invasion of America that Open Borders Globalist scumbag Mozzietard just love.

Here you have a great man who has triumphed over all the Globalist Uniparty has thrown at him. The American People know that this mam love America and will put will put the American working class first as will JD Vance. 

Polls are show Trump going up and Biden down. 

Mozzietard is a dispicable  deceiver. As with Rassie he stupid consistently negative comments and lies te you all you need to know about this Globalist nutjob. 

Bye the way evidence is emerging that there was a second shooter. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jul 2024, 17:07
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20 Jul 2024, 17:07#20

Just also to say halfwits like Sharktwit and Blobbrain have tried to equate Trump with Biden in terms of mental acuity.

Trump set a record for the longest speech. The man is a human dynamo and the above two twits have be clowned themselves yet again. 


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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Jul 2024, 20:06
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20 Jul 2024, 20:06#21
Trump is the Chuck Norris of politicians, he is the only person who can lose a Democratic election and still win. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
20 Jul 2024, 22:41
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20 Jul 2024, 22:41#22


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
21 Jul 2024, 04:37
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21 Jul 2024, 04:37#23
For me the preeminent question is & always will be, 'what qualifies this born with a silver spoon, multiple bankrupted tycoon, leader of a white christo-fasist cult, convicted felon & golf cheat to assume political leadership of the  US, & in effect, the free-world? ' 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2024, 04:55
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21 Jul 2024, 04:55#24

This from the Centrist Brookings Institute captures the  response to Trump’s truly pathetic speech:

Meanwhile, in Milwaukee Trump meandered his way through a speech so long that even his adoring delegates got restless. The convention’s previous nights foreshadowed a softer, more human Donald Trump–one who wanted unity and sought to be a leader for all of America. And he did strike a more subdued, less combative tone in the opening part of the speech. He began strong with an appeal to unity and pledged to be president for all of America, not half of it. He mentioned President Biden only once. 

But early on, he sent a signal that he would not be constrained by the text of his speech or his calls for unity. He went on at length about the attempt on his life, milking every detail for dramatic effect. After that, just about every sentence in his speech text became the occasion for extended digressions. He returned to these topics repeatedly, undermining the structure of his remarks. His sporadic efforts to pivot toward the future got lost in a rambling torrent of words. 

The last hour saw him continuing to claim several times that the 2020 election was stolen, praising authoritarian leaders around the world, saying he would lead the most massive deportation in the history of the United States, bizarrely mentioning the serial killer Hannibal Lecter, and promising that Russia and China would fear him so much they would stop their aggressive actions.

Trump did not finish his speech until after midnight. By then, much of the energy had drained from the crowd at the convention hall. One wonders how many of those viewing the speech on their televisions, computers, and cell phones had turned them off well before the long-overdue peroration.

As he took the stage, Trump had an opportunity to solidify the lead he gained in recent weeks. With an undisciplined performance, he missed this opportunity, leaving the door open for a Democratic candidate with the energy and vigor to attack Trump’s obvious flaws and controversial policy agenda. Increasing numbers of Democrats, both elected officials and rank-and-file voters, are concluding that President Biden is no longer such a candidate and likely leaning toward Vice President Kamala Harris as the party’s standard-bearer. In a race that already has produced one dramatic moment after another, a Biden departure if it happens would upend the campaign and give Democrats a better chance at victory.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
21 Jul 2024, 05:37
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21 Jul 2024, 05:37#25

Trump is the democrats' best player.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Jul 2024, 08:19
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21 Jul 2024, 08:19#26

"For me the preeminent question is & always will be, 'what qualifies this born with a silver spoon, multiple bankrupted tycoon, leader of a white christo-fasist cult, convicted felon & golf cheat to assume political leadership of the  US?"

He was born in America and got elected in their process...and IMO and in the opinion of many others,  he did a way better job than the current idiot, who has been a politician fore more than 50 years...and should actually be more qualified...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2024, 09:44
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21 Jul 2024, 09:44#27

Mozart

I give up on you as being a centrist but above you came up with quote from the New York Times and CNN - as well as he Brookings Ibnsttute 

So look at the follwing site dealing wth media support  situation:-

 https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Please note that the New Yorrk Times is mentioned twice in the above chart - which to me seems to be a very objective assessment of media bias,   

When it comes the Brookings Institute it is seen as follows:- 

"The New York Times has called Brookings liberal, liberal-centrist, and centrist. The Washington Post has called Brookings centrist, liberal, and center-left.

When it comes to the All sides rating the Brookings Institute it is seen as having a left lean bias.  The present chair served as a economic advisor of Biden and resigned from that function to return as Chair of the Brookings intitute nd her whole career background was left-leaning and not centrist.    Seen on the whole only the real left leaning and leftistmeia describe the Institute as left of center in contrast wit your raing it si centrist.  So the qupting of the artice of Brookings is about as cnetrist as you claime the Institute is.   It is about as centrist as the New York Times is, 

The Times and CNN -as well as the Brokings institute is busy with a new initiative to get rid of Biden and blame all the leftist policy failures on him and promise that the enw canidate will set it right.   The above media outlefts and the Brookings institute is nw trying to say the enw Denmcratic Party candidate cannot be blamed for the Biden policy failures.   So thatstrategy is the oen you apparently also supports.    There is not a single substitute  that does not ahve he same or worse  baggage of BS than Biden has.  Harris has done zero of any value - she was apponted as heaing he migrant problem issue and did nothing about it.   In the end she came up with a story tha the migrants let their countries of origin due to climate change - to stupid to imgaine that climate change des not apply to the USA.   People like Newsom and Whitker ave even got worse records and are even more unpopular han Biden is.   However, after calling fro Biden to be elected as president as a means to unite the epeople of he USA and him doing the exact opposite he became dispesable for the media who could not sell his failures to the public successfully.   Now who would the mdeia sell to the public as beng  uniter f prthe people of teh USA.   

65% of the voters in opinon polls said the country under Biden is in the wrong direction when it comes to policies - th will not go away with the replacement of Biden with Harris,   Fact is it may backfire on Harisi since t would take even the smallish number of centrist  voters out of the picture.

It is what is clear is the donors and media has put heir bes on Biden be repaced and hopingthat the replacement would do better than Biden - and the media then initiating a media campagn tat a cynical public media capaign of total BS hoping that the voters would fall for it.

However,your above comments came from sources that has never had a good word for Trump and never stopped atatcking him - so how reliable are your sources.   I would not put 60 cents on wha they wrte as being objective.   They have to defend shit and they are trying their best.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2024, 13:53
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21 Jul 2024, 13:53#28

Actually every intelligent person I have spoken to, whether a Trump supporter or not, say he blew a tremendous opportunity in that speech. It killed all his momentum.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2024, 15:16
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21 Jul 2024, 15:16#29

Which  ntelligenmt people did you speak to?   From your above cmments every [person you spoke to must also be delusional.   

I will look at the polls coming out by Friday tos ee whether you or your spoken to  are correct or whether I am correct.    When I looked at the polls today they look for the Democats the  worst ever when it comes  to both Biden and Harris.   If she replaces Biden her contribtion to the Biden chaos will becoe clearer and she will go dow furher than Bden is.

It must be terrible for you lot of sufferers to face reality.  We  will watch the.polls he latst tw weeks the collapse of the Democrats were absolutely clear.               

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Jul 2024, 19:19
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21 Jul 2024, 19:19#30

Two friends who told me yesterday Biden would likely pull out today.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2024, 20:05
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21 Jul 2024, 20:05#31

I must have known what was coming and started a thread on the issue about two weeks agol   The Democrats kept his mental and physical deterioration secret and denied it whenever the issue was raised in public.    However, in this year more and more videos on the issue on interne platforms showed rapid deterioration,  

I said repeatedly it would happen.    How did I know that,   The answer is simple most Democrats are mean and selfseeking bastards and when their own interest are threatened they viciously blame somebidy else for their political losses. .               

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