Trump's Tactics

I enjoyed what Trump was doing at the beginning of his presidency, and I also fully respected how he stood up to the main stream media, as well as the Democrat party, who were clearly out to paint him in so many different negative and dishonest ways, which most of them still try and do even now.

One can see with the constant baiting from the reporters, and the type or direction of their questions that they pose to Trump on a regular basis, how they are against him.  No other sitting US president has ever had to endure what Trump has.... it has been both disgusting and deplorable what they have tried to pin on him or accuse him of, and Nancy Pelosi is an embarrassment to the country.

Trump is no angel, Trump can be a real dick, Trump is arrogant, Trump has a huge ego..... Trump is exactly like most men that don't have to put on a live show, every day, where the worldwide media is watching.

He can be arrogant and resolute in his ways, and I actually don't mind that to a certain degree, because it is that exact approach that is needed to prevent China, Iran, North Korea, Syria.... from abusing their relationship with the US and other countries around the world.

Obama in my opinion was a puppet in so many different ways...… he was so eloquent, always said the right thing.... at the right time..... which with the help of that teleprompter, anyone can do...….he was "too" good.... too perfect at what he did, in the public eye......but I still honestly respected him as the president.

Like me, a lot of people I know, who started out enjoying Trump and his outrageous tactics, have now slowly but surely started to move away from him.... and not necessarily support someone else, but just not support Trump as much as when he started his term as president.

Two things have bothered me recently..... and no, I will not be getting into a pissing contest with Piss Mint on this issue, because he clearly hates Trump.... I don't.... I sincerely do believe that Trump has done exceptional things already during his presidency...… and I also genuinely do believe that because of his ego, he does want to do the very best that he can for the USA and it's people, because being the Trump that we all know... if anything, he wants all of this to go down in the history books, whilst he was in charge of the country.

However, this pandemic has now changed so much, but as a whole, I do believe that Trump defied many, and made the initial correct decisions regarding the banning of people from China, which he was originally completely lambasted for, and had it not been done when "he" made that decision, it could have been far far worse.

Here are my questions and concerns though...…

Firstly, why does Trump not admit to any of his or his teams mistakes..... and yes, I am well aware that with his power and control, he cannot appear to be weak or incorrect or indecisive in front of millions of his citizens in what he implements under his watch, but surely admitting small inaccuracies or mistakes would endear him more to the public and voters..... and make him look more like the average person..... much like Macron and Ramaphosa have done live on TV during this pandemic.... they have both openly admitted to mistakes that were made under their command.

Secondly, why does Trump point blank refuse to wear a mask, just as he did now at the Ford plant inspection, knowing full well that the worldwide media have made this a very big and serious issue with him specifically, especially from a health and safety perspective.

I know Trump hates the fake news and main stream media for what they have done to him, and I actually fully support him in that regard.... it is actually sickening how they froth at the mouth to make him look stupid or dishonest in any way that they can...… but surely, in the best interests of positive media coverage, respect for all of his fellow citizens, and to reinforce the safety practices during Covid-19, one would think that he could put all of those issues aside and do the right thing here?...… showing a complete lack of respect for a company's health and safety rules and regulations, or even the CDC regulations, just puts across the message that "I am better than you".... these rules do not apply to me...… he is being incredibly disrespectful to everyone involved....

This is not a Trump bashing thread, so Piss Mint, you are not welcome here, because all you will do is post childish unconfirmed bullshit about this man.... you are fucking obsessed with every single thing he does, and you cannot in any way, shape or form, post one remotely positive thing that he has done, so I am requesting you to please stay away from this thread

I would however like to hear from the rest of the posters that have been in Trump's corner, and probably still are in his corner..... if they have started feeling any different towards Trump, because of some of his latest antics or tactics, especially during this whole Coronavirus incident 

So ... to sum it up ... you aren’t happy with Trump because he won’t wear a mask in public ... and he refuses to admit to the mistakes he and his team have made.

Is that all?

Not exactly what I was expecting.

There are tens of thousands of folks in the States that refuse to wear masks in public.

It’s stupid, I know, as one puts yourself and your loved ones at risk by being a “tough” guy ... however ... I would have had more of an issue with him if he forced everyone to wear a mask in public and didn’t do the same.

That's not reason enough to make your mark against Shady Biden’s name at the ballot box.

This virus is new to us all. Mistakes were always going to be made. Why admit to the public that you’ve made them, when it would be so much better to speak of the positive things you and your team have done to secure their safety.

The CEO at my company is in a constant state of panic because of this virus. He cowers in the corner, frightened to death of this bug. Every person that approaches his office is a potential threat to his well being. It's hilarious and at the same time pathetic.

There are many people like him out there ... and they don’t want to hear about mistakes and blunders that could have been avoided in hindsight. I repeat ... HINDSIGHT!

These mistakes can be corrected.

It wouldn’t take much to find our CEO running down the street, screaming hysterically.

It really stuns me at times how an event like this can bring the sniveling coward out from beneath the facade of the tough guys.

Don’t think I’ll ever look at him the same.

I think that if that’s all you have against Trump then all’s good for an easy victory at the polls come November.

The problem is that Trump himself went through near to 4 years of hell as President,  It all boiled down to the so-called Russian Hoax initiated by Obama and the Democrats -  the lie that there was  collusion between  Russia and the Trump 2016 election campaign was hogwash that is still going on.     That split the country into 2 and now it is becoming clear that the way that DP handled the situation was fraudulent,

There are five  issues facing the electorate in 2020 campaign that would influence the result:  I would put them in order of priority and assign a value to it percentage wise:-

1   Animosity against China  -          60% in favour of Trump

2   Coronavirus                      -         52%  in favour of Biden

3   Economic recovery          -          55%  in faour of Trump

4   Illegal Migrants                -          Difficult to assess  *

5   The Russian Hoax Fraud  -          55%  in faour if Trump 

There are complications with each of he above, but the main problem is that Biden is not altogether sound in his top storey,    It is unlikely that the Democrats will even nominate him as their candidate in the November election. for Deputy President, but they are probably going to assess the situation again after the Zelensky investigation in Ukraine and the Present Senate situation.   It is no secret that the FBI is re-investigating  the Biden involvement in Ukraine and the DP would not want a candidate put in negative light when it comes to corruption.   So will Biden be the DP candidate.   I do no think he will be - but the DP may be thick-skinned.   

The other issue is that the Black and exiting Latino voters are getting restless about the threat cheap labour migrants can pose to their own livelihoods,   If about 10% of those voters decamped to the RP, the Democrats are dead and buried in the election. 

I think that the Democrats are not popular with the lockdowns and a by-election held in a Congress District 25 in Los Angeles may give  an indication what may happen. in November,  Clinton won the District by about 6% in 2016 and the DP won it by 9% in 2018,   The district are mostly made up of middle class voters - with 40% of the voters being Latino's and Blacks,  In the by-election the Republican candidate won he seat by a 12% majority.  If that is replicated throughout the USA the DP candidate - either Biden or anyone else the DP may pick as candidate - will lose badly,       

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"Rooinek isn't allowed to post on this thread"

And now you know why I don't want Piss Mint's opinion on this topic..... it will either be incorrect, childish, or as usual....  just dishonest..... 

As for egg Piss Mint..... lets just say that you still haven't mopped up all that egg dripping off your face from your recent blatant lie about choosing black players over white players.....

Edit:  That in now the 5th time I know of, that you have been comprehensively shown up for the blatant liar that you are...

Clearly you are just inherently a very deceitful person, so I now understand why you posted that infamous thread.....it's bugging the shit out of you

So I wonder then, when your next "honesty" thread is going to be created

ROTFLMFAO

"There are tens of thousands of folks in the States that refuse to wear masks in public"

These thousands of people that you refer to here are not wanting or expecting to renew their term as the president of the USA

When you, as a  person, know that without any doubt at all, that most of the mainstream media, as well as your opposition party, want you out of office, with any means possible... as soon as possible......why would you intentionally want to possibly alienate potential future voters by coming across so arrogantly by not adhering to a basic safety regulation like this.... multiple times, during numerous presidential televised events or visits.... because remember.....this is not a once off point that I am bringing up here..... this issue with Trump not wearing a mask is gaining major traction in the world news and they are using it to discredit him amongst his constituents...by painting him as a uncaring guy...….so why support it by continuing with this behaviour, especially if he wants another term....

This mask point may seem like a small issue to some people, but if he really wanted to get back at all these people who want him out so badly, then he should be doing everything within his personal capacity, to make sure he wins over every voter that he can....and if the media are using him not wearing a mask to paint him in a bad light, then he should respond by wearing one.... simple, and no, in case you might want to reply this....he is not giving in to the demands of the mainstream media, he is merely doing what the national and international experts are advising everyone to do to help stop the spread of the virus.... wear the mask

If you wanted your whole country to get rid of this virus as soon as possible, and prevent anymore unnecessary deaths......as the leader of that country...…. you would and should be seen to be wearing your mask at every single opportunity... not so?

"Why admit to the public that you’ve made them, when it would be so much better to speak of the positive things you and your team have done to secure their safety"

Fully agree with focusing on the positives here, 100%.....but when you are confronted with a direct question from the media, which has a direct outcome on how people are handling this pandemic, then an honest answer should be provided, and not let ego get in the way...…. he has never once admitted any fault, in any small way at all....and that is wrong

I am not saying start every news press conference with the mistakes that you have made, I am merely saying that if you are asked directly about any specific one, just be honest about it.

"I think that if that’s all you have against Trump then all’s good for an easy victory at the polls come November"

Fully agree with you here, but as a Trump fan, these are my current concerns......and to some people it may be nothing at all... but to me, not so

Thanks for your opinion and  those stats Mike, very interesting to see your thoughts on this issue

Yeah ... as the president I guess he should lead the way by example and wear the mask.

It is however not going to change their dislike of the man. If he wore a red cloth mask like mine they'd ask him why it's not blue. They would then try to impeach him on that.

There will always be something petty to nitpick over. 

I don't know why he allows these trouble makers to bait him like this. I would banish them permanently. There is a difference between asking hard questions and looking for trouble.

As for alienating voters because of a silly mask ... well ... that's absurd. Are you telling me you'd vote for Shady Biden cause he wears the national flag on his face, rather than the better man who wears nothing? Common!! That's a little extreme, don't you think?

You do know that any statement followed by a "but" makes that statement irrelevant, right?

I would vote for Trump solely based on what he's done for the country in his first term. My vote would not go to Biden just cause Trump refuses to wear a mask.

I'm a little more mature than that and I suspect so are the majority of his supporters.

Ten to one you'll find that it's only those apposed to him that's making a big whooha about this.

He'll win the election and go on to a 2nd term ... with or without a mask on his face. 

""Rooinek isn't allowed to post on this thread"

And now you know why I don't want Piss Mint's opinion on this topic..... it will either be incorrect, childish, or as usual....  just dishonest..... "

Well DA, unfortunately we can't pic and choose who participates on a public forum and who not...but it's actually a good thing...regardless of some arseholes you encounter at times...sometimes one can even learn something from them, even if the experience is extremely unpleasant.  

PS, I know we've been ad odds in the past, but I must concede that you caught onto the absolutely deceitful and despicable nature of Rudenek years before I did.

"As for alienating voters because of a silly mask ... well ... that's absurd. Are you telling me you'd vote for Shady Biden cause he wears the national flag on his face, rather than the better man who wears nothing? Common!! That's a little extreme, don't you think?"

No, I would not vote for Biden, but again, you are missing my point entirely

A lot of people and organisations around the world are saying that Trump could lose his re-election, just by how he handles this pandemic alone.... nothing more, nothing less..... some say that it could be a landslide loss...…. do I agree, no...… could it happen... hell.. he won the election in the first place...... so clearly anything at all can happen.

Do I want him around for a second term,,, damn straight I do.

"I'm a little more mature than that and I suspect so are the majority of his supporters"

Yep, until this festers and one issue becomes another, then another.... then people start drawing parallels and making assumptions...

People are dying, it is also the worst unemployment period in American history... ever, and Trump is coming across as completely uncaring, no empathy, or sympathy at all, behaving arrogantly with journalist's, some who deserve it.... belittling or even openly mocking people's health concerns whilst out in public.... pushing it a bit too far, in my opinion.

I am not saying give in and become the poster boy for the international media, not at all.... I want the old Trump, I thoroughly enjoy some of things he did and how it did it.... but in unprecedented times like this, where the majority of your population is absolutely scared shitless and uncertain about the future health of themselves and their families, you as the president need to refine and tweak your approach to certain issues that your people are dealing with on a daily basis... and he isn't, not even remotely.

If you personally were desperately wanting to run for another term, which we know definitely Trump is, why would you consciously and very deliberately go against the world media by showing people that you refuse to wear a mask and show yourself as arrogantly being better than anyone else in your country, and that you openly couldn't care less who you might infect, because you are the president, but everyone around you as the president, must wear a mask.... it's fucking laughable.... and it's demeaning and disrespectful to your people.

You do know that the main stream media are already heavily using this against him all over the world, by saying that he basically does not care about his fellow Americans, because he does not care if he infects anyone by refusing to wear a mask...… in such a sensitive time, why even let it become such an issue and metastasise into other sensitive issues, like it has already with him now being blamed this morning for 36 000 unnecessary deaths …. it is shit like this that he himself can do without.... but more importantly, he can also easily prevent

What message is he sending when Trump and his own national experts constantly preach to everyone to wear a mask, but Trump and Mike Pence refuse to?

I am not at all saying this will cost him the election, I am saying that if I were personally in his shoes, I would stop giving regular and consistent ammunition  to the press, to use against me, when I am campaigning to run for president again, especially in these extremely sensitive and delicate times that people are dealing with now

Are you sure you aren't an Anti-Trumper? Is that you Redneck??

What makes Trump Trump is that he doesn't give a shit what you think. He does things his own way and that sets him apart from all those who conform to what's popular.

It's worked for him so far. His country is in the best place it could have been. Imagine the mess it would have been in if that African was still in charge. The unemployment stats would have been 10 time s worse than it is under Trump.

Your aren't blaming him for the unemployment stats are you?

What would you have him do that he hasn't already done? Wear a friggin mask?? Are you kidding me?

He's opened up the economy. Is there anything else you'd have him do? What?

There is nothing he can do to win the media over. Don't you know that? Right now it's the mask issue that they and you are harping on about. If it weren't the mask issue it would be something else.

Surely you know this?

There are far more important things on his plate than a friggin mask.

Obama's last four years averaged a growth rate of 1,5 pa.   Job decline was big - and the fuckwit decided to spy on Political opponents and steal as much as possible.   Why did none of the so-called growth ever reached the middle class voters?

What did Obama really achieve as President other than other leaders praising him with the object of using a weakling for their own use.  China played him like a piano.  Remember the song in the Sound of Music dealing with puppets - "High on the hills there is a lonely Goatherd" - it apply 100% to Obama - he was the goat,

DA

It is normally difficult to determine trends in the USA politics  at this time of the year.   The real reason is that even though Trump will be the Republican candidate there is uncertainty as to who the Democrat candidate would be.   Maybe it is not really important since who is the Democratic candidate will  on a puppet.

However on House level the situation is different since there has been Primary Elections held and once has some guides as to what will happen. -  since having a majority in the House is also important.  

I am not going to be two complicated when o comes to the California seats,   Looking at the Primaries as well as the result in District 25:-

Present Seats -    Democrats     47     -     Republicans        6

The situation is as follows:-

Certain Democrats Wins          26

Marginal                                   21            Will go Republican      =    6

                                                                  May go Republican - 15% swing  -  5

                                                                  May go Republican  - 20% swing -  4

                                                                  Become Marginal  Democrat seats - 6

I mentioned the 15 and 20% swings based on the swing last week of 19% in  District 25

Based on the above  the membership from California are likely to be  as follows:-

Democrats     -    35       Republican     18 

The "wave" created by Obama cost the Democrats the election in the Rust Belt states and nothing is clearer than that.    Obama had a regulations regime making it virtually impossible for small businesses to start,    Trump just scrapped the BS nd everybody benefited from growth.

While Obama was dealing with trade deals he knew nothing about the other leaders who played the fool with him and made the USA pay for his idiocy.   When Trump  queried the other leaders why so many things in the deals were to the detriment of the USA - the same leaders told him that they knew it was unacceptable from a USA perspective - but nobody ever queried it in the past.   Trump then tore up the trade deals.             

"What makes Trump Trump is that he doesn't give a shit what you think. He does things his own way and that sets him apart from all those who conform to what's popular."

It only works for so long.....surely you know this?..... people only have so much time and patience for arrogance or self importance...… and Trump is putting this behaviour on display a bit too often.....so proceed with that, in any kind of environment, for a prolonged period of time... at your own peril

"Your aren't blaming him for the unemployment stats are you?"

Where do you even grasp this idea from?...… try reading my post properly.... I haven't even come close to stating this or insinuating this.....

"What would you have him do that he hasn't already done? Wear a friggin mask?? Are you kidding me?"

Not kidding at all..... how about acting like a leader, and when you are dealing with the public, who you or your experts have already repeatedly instructed over a few months already, to wear masks to curb this deadly virus...... maybe wear one yourself...….you know.... act like a proper leader and show your own people that are dying everyday in their thousands.. how it is done..... especially when you are the president of the country that has the leading amount of deaths in the entire world, that the media is openly and specifically blaming you for…..and most of the media is out to nail you on every single little aspect that you might get wrong.......for fucks sake.... is it really that hard to comprehend and show how it's done..... I can't believe that I actually have to explain this to you CC..... yes, it really is that fucking simple dude.....

"There is nothing he can do to win the media over. Don't you know that? Right now it's the mask issue that they and you are harping on about"

You mean the mask issue that Trump himself  has deliberately created a media storm about... and not the media themselves ...…mmmm

Ok, I see CC.... so in your opinion, he must then just openly continue to antagonise or mock the international media and experts, and disrespect all his fellow Americans...….especially regarding personal safety aspects that pertain directly to the spreading of the most deadly virus that mankind has possibly ever seen...……. too clever dude.... good move you say.... be "that " Trump you say.... I mean, he can never win the media over... right?..... lol, yeah ok dude

Right now it is the mask issue that he himself has deliberately created and let fester on the world stage........for what..? bad press is still press?.... lol ok dude

"Well DA, unfortunately we can't pic and choose who participates on a public forum and who not"

Yeah, I know... I just wanted to discuss these specific issues , nothing more

"The CEO at my company is in a constant state of panic because of this virus. He cowers in the corner, frightened to death of this bug"

Ok CC..... as an employee of a company, which CEO would you respect more below

The CEO that demands that everyone in the company wears a face mask, because he wants to protect the health and safety of all his employees and their families. and proceeds to make this a company policy, punishable by the company's code of conduct for any non-compliance.

The CEO that demands that everyone in the company wears a face mask, because he wants to curb the spread of this virus. and proceeds to make this a company policy, punishable by the company's code of conduct for any non-compliance, but then he himself walks around amongst all of his staff, every day, not wearing a mask, and he can do this because he is the CEO

Which one do you think most of the employees will respect ....

DA

Trump is not a politician - but a rather crude businessman.   He loves to give the press something to report on and then they turn it into big stories,   He knows perfectly well that about 92% of the voters do not really believe in press reporting being reliable and by doing what he did - it gives him negative publicity and according to him all publicity  is good  for him.  It worked that way in 2016 and nothing changed since then.

The average working class voters blame the political elite in Washington for their problems and Trump invented a phrase the voters really believe is the case - the "Washington Swamp".   That is an approach that they believe in - and publicity helps him no end.  

The other problem for the Democrats was that in 2016 Trump had  a very poor election organization.  In states like Florida  Clinton had over 300 field workers for a year before the election - Trump had 3.   The same happened in State like North Carolina and many other states,  In Wisconsin the  Republican Establishment was against Trump - so was the conservative talk show in the State.   There was  virtually no real canvassing done in the State - yet he won.   In 2020 Trump will have enough money to upgrade the organizational structure comprehensively as well and his re-election campaign through intensive canvassing already started last year, 

Unfortunately the DP supporting media use opinion polls as an indication of expected trends.   For some reason they think that in actual elections it would benefit the DP,   The polls at this stage is as poor as it was last year,                     

Thanks Mike

I agree with your assessment that you posted above, and I also agree with some of CC's points regarding Trump….. I am not anti Trump..... in fact I was one of the very first on this forum to endorse Trump long before the elections even took place...

I am merely pointing out issues that I believe could negatively affect Trump later on... because I don't agree with how he is doing some of those things right now....

People are fickle.... they always have been...… always will be......so don't treat them like idiots or disrespect them for too long.... it invariably will bite you hard  at some point

I see ... your question regarding Trump is about international respect ... and you think that him wearing a mask will change everyone's perception of him.

You want Trump to be more likeable, right?

Well ... you tell me ... will wearing a mask make him less of a nut job?

Will wearing a mask prevent him from saying all those strange things?

Will wearing a mask stop the media from insulting him ... baiting him ... and giving him bad press?

Will wearing a mask reduce the unemployment stats?

Will wearing a mask make him a nicer person?

Will him wearing a mask bring the virus to it's knees?

Maybe I should repeat myself ... as it seems you missed some of my comments.   

NOTHING TRUMP DOES WILL WIN THE MEDIA OVER.

Most of the world leaders don't like him ... most of the media don't like him ... most people I know don't like him ... and him wearing a mask won't change any of that.

Let that sink in for a moment.

I see you aren't happy with my response ... so now it's back to asking the same question differently ... and hoping for a response more in line with your thinking.

Sorry bro ... it's not going to happen.

Harping on and on about the mask is childish. It's what one would expect from a three year old ... or from those who are petty anti Trumpers.

My response remains the same ... there are far more serious issues at hand than his arrogance, his unpleasant ways and his popularity ... or lack there of.

If you want any additional input from me, I'd suggest you come up with something new. I won't be rehashing the same absurdity with you over and over.

I never liked Trump the Apprentice host...I liked the other Trump. I liked the fact that he did lots of cameos in movies...he seemed to have had a sense of humor and he didn't take himself too seriously...like the evident from his WWE appearances. 

When he announced his bid for the presidency, I thought it was some sort of publicity stunt...boy was I wrong.

His whole campaign was planned meticulously...every little detail...always ahead of the curve. Something that looks stupid today, turns out to be on the money a couple of days, weeks, months ....even years down the line.

A lot of water will run into the ocean before November. Don't be surprised if the mask thing turns out to work in his favour by then.

He has a lot of faults, but he's got a lot of things going for him too...the most important: Being perceived as being on the side of the average American...the Deplorables...the Forgotten Joe's and Jane's...he might be a d!ck, but he's their d!ck, fighting for them and it was crystal clear from day one that he tried to keep his election promises...and it was also clear that the establishment fought him all the way.

It might all be a charade, but if that's the case, he's acting better than the opposition...he'll be more than fine come November...there is no dirt on him, but the same can't be said for his opposition.