UK Election

While I'm no fan of Johnson. I'll be glad to see the back of Corbyn, his leadership of Labour has been pretty abysmal.

Brits decide in favour of Brexit in this de facto second referendum. Great news....Britain unhitched from the corpse called Europe. The latest German economic numbers demonstrate again how poorly positioned they are. And it's only going to get worse as battery cars displace the internal combustion engine.

Corbyn was useless, time for him to look for a new career

A new career at the age of 70? 

A new career at the age of 70? 

A new career at the age of 70? 

Corbyn will be forced to resign. Gid riddance to this open borders globalist marxist scumbag.

Will Boris now produce a real Brexit. He also needs to deport millions of invaders. 

Pity is the Brexit Party had to sacrifice itself to get Brexit done.

Poor deluded Scots hand that transgender loving perv Sturgeon more seats. This silly woman wants to hand control of Scotland over to Brussels and to hell with Scotland marine wealth. 

But overall VERY  pleased at Labour's disastrous showing. 

Next we need a big Trump win in 2020 and an Italian exit. Would be great to see Marine Le Pen win France and Globalist scumbag Trudeau get the boot in Canada. All very possible. 

Vlag ..... "a new career at the age of 70? ..... not likely but not impossible. Remember Dr. Malan elected as PM in 1948 for the NP?

It's great news.

Free at last.

These are exciting times for the UK. 

Most thought we'd see a hung parliament.

Corbyn really was a poor choice as leader. Most unpleasant man. Cost his party big time.

Think it's time I moved to mud island.

Poor Lib Dems leader was in tears. Jo thinks Nationalism is on the rise and fears deey the consequences. (she also lost her seat) 

You bet Nationalism is on the rise. No people want their country destroyed by these open borders globalist traitors. 

Are we seeing the beginning of the end of globalist rule in Europe. Almost everywhere populist/Nationalist forces are rising strongly.

I would be tempted to allow the Scots to depart if they wished. They are a drain on the fiscus after all and really don't amount to much. Any country that an vote for a trans living perv is far gone. William Wallace must be turning in his grave! 

However not certain Sturgeon would win independence vote as there are some hard realities at play. Eg do they want a hard border with England etc. 

Thank God people everywhere are waking up to the dangers these globalist elites pose to the survival if their nations. The globalist MSM  brainwashing notwithstanding and of course the cultural Marxists in the universities. 

You cant fool all of the people all of the time a great man once said. 

This could be the start of other countries leaving the EU.

Beeno

There is no chance that the SNP would win a Independence Vote. Scotland has 59 constituencies  and I analyzed 18 of those.   

In dealing with Independence that the SNP will be pro-independence  and the Conservatives, Lib-Dems,  Labour and Brexit will vote against independence,    In the said 18 constituencies the SNP got 4 winning more than 50% of the vote -  in the other 14 they got a hell of a lot less than 50% of the vote,   The nett difference that would probably vote against independence  in those 18 constituencies was 59 425 votes.  I looked at another 5 constituencies and the trend was exactly the s ame.     

If you calculate from there what would likely be the result of a Scottish Independent  Vote, the SNP would lose a referendum by circa 194 775 votes based on yesterday's election results,   The SNP will scream for another referendum - but the UK cabinet will do their own election evaluation and work out that the SNP will not have a 50+% chance to win in any referendum and that the referendum will be an exercise in futility and a waste of money  just like the previous one was,         

This was supposed to be the Brexit  election,   Other than to an extent the SNP - the other parties supporting the EU and calling for a new Brexit referendum will be futile and a waste of money,  

Brexit was the dagger that destroyed May as PM.   She tried to manipulate the UK into the EU net and the people basically rejected her in 2019 ,   The CP win his time around is so big - Johnson will have to implement or go down himself.

@Sharkbok/mozart

The actual vote share break down was 52% went to remain parties and 48% to leave. Where have we seen that figure before?. Will of the people or something!. Regardless of whether you favor leave or remain I think we again agree that the UK remains bitterly divided on the topic. 

Mozart the UK is still in Europe, I think you mean to say EU is a corpse, but you have been flogging that for months now. Show me some economists forecasts that the UK is poised to do better than Germany while outside of the UK in the mid to long term. Don't think you will find many if any.

Do agree that Corbyn was useless. He's announced he will not lead the Labour Party at the next election but he needs to basically f**k off right now.

@Cleancut

Free of what exactly? 6.4% of GDP?

Polls have shown EU support has risen through out the EU recently. Everyone has a good look at Brexit and said who the f**k would want to go through that embarrassment . 

In general the situation is politically fluent in the major EU states.   Germany struggles to form a coalition Government and the right wing of the CDU is in turmoil,  That means the Government basically just function  by avoiding controversial issues,   

In France the Government is in turmoil and the popularity of  the Macon regime is in serious decline.      

In Italy concocted a coalition government on shifty grounds as well and is even a worse position than Merkel is in Germany,  

Spain is even in  a worse situation - the latest election outcome was not a nice one insofar as the more leftwing parties are concerned,   They cannot even form a proper coalition government and must dish up scraps  to get some support for major legislation.   

None of those are in a strong enough support basis f or favouring the EU.     

Duplic ate

@ceradyne

A very good and reasoned reply to Beeno1, though I think your wasting your time reasoning with him.

Unfortunately though the racists where on the side of leave argument, believing in the sort of rubbish Beeno believes in. Having said that I want to point out though they only made up a very small minority of leave supporters and the overwhelming majorty of leave supporters are not racist.  

"The only difference will be to future immigrants from the EU. They will no longer be allowed unfettered entrance and will have to go through the same vetting process that other immigrants have to go through. That is what Brexiteers mean by taking back control of the borders. The idea was never to start kicking out people left right and centre.

PS. The only other big difference will be that EU nationals, like any other immigrant, will most probably in future not automatically qualify for immediate access to UK benefits."

Fair enough if that's what you voted for in Brexit that's what your gonna get. Though the evidence indicated even with access to UK benefits system EU migrants where net contributors to the UK economy. The other thing is that cuts both ways, UK citizens will lose their unfettered access to the EU (exception being the UK and Ireland as their was a pre-existing agreement freedom of movement agreement between those countries from before they both joined the EU and will still be in affect after the UK leaves)

@clevermike

May did not try to manipulate the UK into staying in the UK. Simply fact is that while the leave side held the majority in parliament it couldn't agree on a way of leaving the UK. The people didn't really reject her as much as her party did. But in the end they effectively are using 95% of her Brexit deal except the backstop is now the frontstop and the deal will leave the UK worse off  economically. But after backing themselves into a corner Johnson and the Tory backing media are selling it off as something new and great. If May had t ried to sell this deal verbatim as it is right now she would of been pillared for it.

@clevermike

https://www.indepen dent.co.uk/news/world/europe/brexit-eu-survey-italy-ireland-portugal-eurosceptic-poll-a8888126.html

Stav you peanut brain are you posting from a high security asylum!

Please go and look at two cips i posted and try and learn something you ignorant pratt!

you ignore the economic problems of Europe proving you are a fist rate ignoramous.

You have lost just it it and then try and pay more attention to what i teach you you mealy mouthed git!

What a daft hatter Stav is coming here to tell us how hvs remain side won! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha The clown actually believes the UK will be better off staying in the crumbling failing EU Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha The EU gets more populist/ nationalist by the day.

You globalist twits are going doooooown!

See Trump just said UK wvll get trade dal bigger than the declining EU! UK i s just the first to LEAVE!

@beeno1

Sorry Beeno the content of your posts are beneath my intelligence to reply to. When you figure out how to talk like an actual adult human being we can have a discussion, till then don't bother responding.

Slav

Thanks for the info,   However I always distrust opinion polls on issues like this,  Look at for instance the following:-

"The poll has the state of opinion in the UK on 55 per cent Remain and 45 per cent Leave, roughly in line with other voting-intention polls – which has shown a moderate shift to Remain since Brexit talks went south." 

If you compare the above quote with the election outcomes yesterday there is a real situation of your evaluation that the election outcome shows 52% for pro-Brexit parties and 48% for pro-EU parties - the same as the referendum outcome in 2016.   

On the other hand there is no active referendums being organized in any of the EU countries and should a referendum be held the real figures are more likely to emerge in polling figures than is the case at present.

Trump can influence the situation as well.   A favourable trade agreement between the USA and the UK can sink the EU,   The USA economy is booming and the EU one stagnating.   Trump may be as unpopular in the EU media as he is in the USA leftist media - but he is still the one person that will wipe the floor with any DP opponent in the November 2020 USA election.   Take for instance in Wisconsin in 2016 Trump won in the state by 0,77% - the latest poll indicate a lead of 9 to 11% in the presidential election next year.

The fact is that the DP buggered up in the Impeachment story - they could find no legal evidence to impeach Trump and it favours him - the impeachment process  turned on the "deplorables" who voted for him in 2016 and the deplorables have benefitted from his presidency and they do not like be considered as "deplorables" by the Washington politico's and will take their revenge on them.   .   If he came out on top in November 2020 the effect on the EU would be massive - especially amongst the ordinary working class.                 

@clevermike

Well I suppose we can all distrust opinion polls we don't like the look of.

You have got your figures backwards, remain parties got 52% of the vote share in yesterdays general election. 

YouGov which generally regarded as the most reliable and least biased pollster has consistently shown remain had the majority since the 2016 referendum.

You have nothing to base the claim that a referendum in another EU country would have a different outcome to the polls. 

Trade deals take years to achieve and any trade deal the UK achieves with the US will be less favorable to the trade they do now with the US via the EU. They will be expected to buy more US products. Unless for the first time in history a country decides it wants to give a better deal to the other side in trade deal, I can't see Donald "America First" Trump doing that.

American economic performance is better than the EU's currently but I wouldn't call 2.1 growth booming growth. Solid if unspectacular, while the EU growth is a sluggish 1.1. The gap is expected to narrow over the next two years. Sorry I can't help but chuckle at 2.1 GDP as booming growth. Ireland reported GDP growth of 25.5% GDP growth in 2015, we must of been on the Enterprise going at warp 9.9.

Yeah Trump is despised by the majority of people in Europe who make up the left to centerist political ground. He's not well liked in the capitals of most European countries and the politicians there they are probably just praying he doesn't get re-elected and they have to deal with him for another 4 years. They just want the joke to end.

Sorry Stavanger, you seem like a thoughtful bloke, but remain parties lost big time. Everybody knew what was at stake and despite your YouGov poll, the votes weren't there. 

As for the views in European capitals Americans wont give a fig what these elites think. The USA is incredibly vibrant at the moment and almost every tangible issue has been tackled and improved. Action not talk will win the next election.

As for the corpse called Europe, historical growth matters little. The unchecked social issues following poor immigration and energy policies, and the swing away from industry to services favour the UK and put Germany at risk.

Good luck in Ireland with your tax haven.

@mozart

Not disputing that this election wasn't a massive win for the conservatives. Much like the American Presidential elections its not a popular vote the decides who wins but states and constituencies. Merely pointing out the popular vote which was 52% to remaim parties indicates the UK still is bitterly devided country the country is not as pro bexit as the Conservative majority indicates.

Alot of Americans particulaly Trump supporters are too insular and inwards looking to even know where Europe is on a map never mind knowing what the world at large thinks about them or their President. But I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who are deeply embarrassed by their commander in chief.

What does that even mean America is vibrant, sounds like one of those meaningless Brexit sound bite. Have been to every corner of America and Europe to compare them?

Every tangible issue eh? Poltically America is still bitterly bitterly divided probably more so than ever, mass gun killings still occur at an appaling rate, health care still costs a fortune there. Fake news is every where, truth matters not because real facts can be replaced with alturnate facts that better suit an agenda. Far right conspiracy theroies are becoming mainstream. N.Korea still has its nukes. Iran is closer to getting Nukes. US reputation in tatters over Iran deal and abandonment of the Kurds. Mid east peace process going no where due to Trump pro Isreal bias. Trade wars with the worlds two other biggest trade blocks aling with other countries that not even America can win on its own The long term health of environment is fucked because Trump just doesn't want to believe the over the overwhelming mountain of proof about climate change. The rich are getting richer and the poor are still getting poorer.

But hey at least economic growth is solid but you don't hold much stock in that apparantly. 

I'm happy to live in Ireland. Its a great little country. I'd rather live here than any where else and am grateful its politicaly stable and centerist. I hope it politics and media never sinks to the level of the US or UK.  Also save some of your scorn for the companies that used Ireland as a tax heaven. I think you will find they were all American and it was the American people who missed out on those unpaid taxes.

Yes those are the standard views of the left.

 Mass killings are a unique American issue and I support much stronger gun control. But almost every Hollywood movie has a car chase and gun violence. Most video games are based on violence. This is a product of largely left leaning companies.

Health care in the US is very expensive.....largely because of defensive medicine, generated by the plaintive bar. Strongly supported by the left. It's also expensive because the US consumer bears the cost of much of the drug development cycle and the rest of the world benefits.

Also, not necessarily for the elites, but for the average man out there....US medicine is the best.

North Korea and Iran were always tough nuts. And Trump has fought these battles with little support from Europe which has tried to keep their lucrative deals going in Iran in particular. But both countries have been economically  weakened, a pre condition to any deal.

The Kurds deserved better treatment. But they have their own agenda.....they are allies of convenience not conviction. Don't forget the Kurds were central to the Armenian massacre.

As for Trade Wars, we have a much better Trade agreement withour main trading partners....Canada and Mexico. And China's aggressive practices are now on the record. We have a first China trade agreement, we will get a better one after Trump is re-elected. In the meantime we have no inflation and strong jobs growth.

In America the rich are getting richer and the poor, including the illegal immigrants, are getting richer faster.

The environment is better than it's been in years....cleaner.....no ozone hole. And because of the Trump deregulation, the use of clean natural gas is growing rapidly. As a result the US continues to decrease it's carbon footprint. Meanwhile Asia which is 53% of world CO2 emissions  is growing rapidly.

Also none of the agreements reached by elites flying in on their private jets have the prospect of any meaningful effect on CO2 growth. And everybody will cheat. In the meantime the planet is greening, crop growth is excellent. And temperatures have increased by 1 degree C since the Industrial revolution.....half of which occurred before 1940, when Co2 levels had hardly budged. Trump is smart to abandon this sham. 

And because of the fracking revolution created in the USA the terrible prospect of Peak Oil, which seemed real 20 years ago is no more. We have ample energy for man to grow and prosper.....the only resource  without which a less prosperous, even a desperate future looked likely..

 We are in the middle of the greatest period for humanity where our prospects are unlimited. But desperate for control the left tries to-persuade us we need to abandon all this for childish new political schemes.

The UK vote says the average man out there can still see the best course for them, their children and and any person who who wants to put in an honest day's work.

@Stav.

Interesting arguments. Until you have a closer look.

"Not disputing that this election wasn't a massive win for the conservatives. Much like the American Presidential elections its not a popular vote the decides who wins but states and constituencies."

Both the UK and the US electoral systems are essentially based on direct representation, and there is a very good reason for that. It makes the elected officials directly accountable to their electorate. If you want to see how crap the most popular alternative, proportional representation, can become, look no further to South Africa.They switched from a system based on the Westminster system to proportional representation where the members of parliament is accountable to nobody. 

In addition, Proportional Representation addresses the so-called "major flaw" in direct representation. The fact that an election can be won despite the winner can claim victory despite losing the popular vote. Why on earth would one even consider having direct representation then? 

Easy when you consider this example. The five largest metropolitan areas in the UK represent just more than 36% of the UK population (according to the 2011 census) and until this election all five those areas were in Labour hands. It doesn't take rocket science to work out where the balance of power would be under proportional representation. You have exactly the same situation in the USA, and the Framers realised the effects of this in 1776, and adopted direct representation as basis a brought in the Electoral College to ensure that every state has an equal shot at choosing the President. If the USA would ever manage to disband the Electoral College it will be the end of even the two party system and the USA will become a ultra far left one party dictatorship run by super rich elite who are 100% in the pocket of the big corporates through the lobbyists. It will be the end of the lefties' beloved civil liberties in no time.

What is more..... In the UK, the Westminster system has been in use for hundreds of years with Labour in power for many many parliamentary cycles. Nobody ever has a problem with the Westminster system, except every time the Tories win an election. Then it becomes a major issue. Until Labour wins an election, then it suddenly gets perfectly fine again. Same in the USA. Nobody had a problem with the Electoral College when Obama won (twice) and Bill Clinton won (twice) and when the useless Peanut Carter won, etc, etc. The only times, it became a problem was when Reagan, Bush41, Bush 43 and Trump won.

"Alot of Americans particulaly Trump supporters are too insular and inwards looking to even know where Europe is on a map"

Have you ever took to the streets in Europe with a map and a few general knowledge questions about the USA or the rest of the world?

"But I'm sure there are plenty of Americans who are deeply embarrassed by their commander in chief."

Yeah right. Which is why they fill up massive venues to listen to his rallies and even pay to fill up spaces outside the venues to watch him on big screens, I suppose.

"Merely pointing out the popular vote which was 52% to remaim parties indicates the UK still is bitterly devided country the country is not as pro bexit as the Conservative majority indicates."

This election was actually quite an anomaly. This time around a hell of a big part of the remain voters also backed the Tories for various reasons, most of them because they were pissed off with the Labour Leadership. Note....Leadership, not only Corbyn. Even remainers backed Johnson because they believed that he could put an end to the uncertainty and get Brexit delivered.

"What does that even mean America is vibrant, sounds like one of those meaningless Brexit sound bite. Have been to every corner of America and Europe to compare them?"

Have you?

"Every tangible issue eh? Poltically America is still bitterly bitterly divided probably more so than ever, mass gun killings still occur at an appaling rate, health care still costs a fortune there."

Mass gun killings occurred under Obama as well. America was bitterly divided under Obama as well. How did Trump win? Yes, health care do still costs a fortune there. Ever heard of the ACA (Affordable Care Act)? Maybe you should have a search into that. Where it started and what the problems with it is/was. 

"Fake news is every where, truth matters not because real facts can be replaced with alturnate facts that better suit an agenda."

Are you sure you even want to go there?

" US reputation in tatters over Iran deal "

Yeah right. You mean because Trump did not also look the other way (like the rest of Congress and the left) when they were (on Obama’s orders under influence of John Kerry) developing nuclear weapons and handed over billions and billions of dollars in hard cash?

I was going to do the rest of the post but I think this is enough for now. Will maybe do the rest later. 

So many western governments have been preaching guilt and PC culture to their citizens. 

Those that heavily bought into their own guilt are perhaps also the most embarrassed by Trump. The left has lost it's counter culture appeal to the right. That's what happens when one attempts to saturate a population with a single mindset. It becomes novel for people to want and to seek out an alternative. 

I'm proud of the UK. 

The level of trans Atlantic bro-mance is about to explode    

"I was going to do the rest of the post but I think this is enough for now. Will maybe do the rest later."

Guess I'll wait then 

Exactly windpomp!

Stav says the vote was majority Remainer. He assumes all Labour votes were remain forgetting that some may have been willing to accept anther referendum knowing leave would win by a bigger margin. 

Secondly, many Brexit Party people probably didn't vote as many didn't like the Tories. They talked about not voting and spoiling their ballot papers. 

I see ANTIFA were protesting in Londonistan. 

Deport the invaders and take back your capital Brits.

Some think that the open borders invasion of Britain and the EU is fine. In Britain 77% do not accept the immigration policies. The fact is these terrible policies has allowed people in who hate what Britain stands for. So whether they are in Britain legally or not they need to be sent packing. They are invaders invited in by the open borders globalists.

Sharktwit you do surprise at times. 

Corbyn is a pathetic marxist loser in love with Hamas etc. 

Continue:

"Mid east peace process going no where due to Trump pro Isreal bias."

When did the peace process start again, and since when has it been going nowhere? Trump's pro-Israel bias? Really? What has America's official stance about Israel been for decades? 

"Israel–United States relations refers to the bilateral relationship between Israel and the United States. Since the 1960s the United States has been very strong supporter of Israel, and promoted good relations between Israel and Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt, while holding off the hostility from other Middle Eastern nations, especially Syria and Iran. The relations are a very important factor in the United States government's overall policy in the Middle East, and Congress has placed considerable importance on the maintenance of a close and supportive relationship.

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In addition to financial and military aid, the United States also provides political support to Israel, having used its United Nations Security Council veto power 42 times with respect to resolutions relating to Israel, out of a total 83 times in which its veto has ever been used. Between 1991 and 2011, 15 vetos were used to protect Israel out of 24 in total.[4][5]"

The USA has always been in support of Israel and vetoed any applications for Palestinian statehood in the area. In fact, Obama reaffirmed that position in his 2011.

"On 20 September 2011, President Obama declared that the US would veto any Palestinian application for statehood at the United Nations, asserting that "there can be no shortcut to peace".[78]"

"In December 2014 Congress passed the United States–Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2013.[89] This new category is one notch above the Major Non-NATO Ally classification and adds additional support for defense, energy, and strengthen cooperation business and academics.[90] The bill additionally calls for the US to increase their war reserve stock in Israel $1.8 billion.[91]"

And then, around came December 2016, after Trump has won the election and before he was inaugurated and what did low-life scumbag Obama do? He did this:

"On 23 December 2016, the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution calling for an end to Israeli settlements; the Obama administration's UN ambassador, Samantha Power, was instructed to abstain—although the U.S. had previously vetoed a comparable resolution in 2011."

That was when Trump stepped, and almost thwarted him but unfortunately there were a few other back stabbers got it through because once again Obama obviously failed to veto it.

"President-elect Donald Trump attempted to intercede by publicly advocating the resolution be vetoed and successfully persuading Egypt's Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to temporarily withdraw it from consideration. The resolution was then "proposed again by Malaysia, New Zealand, Senegal and Venezuela"—and passed 14 to 0."

As for Jerusalem, the US position has been (for decades) that they would not unilaterally support the recognition of Jerusalem as capital. They were concerned that it may create an impression of prejudice. Bill Clinton, however promised that they would recognise Jerusalem. Only problem was the Clinton then reneged. 

Congres, however, passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act shortly thereafter, stating that the USA recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and that the Embassy has to be moved from Tel Aviv within five years. Obviously neither of Clinton, Bush43 and Obama had the balls to carry out the decision and nothing happened until Trump got his hands on the decision, so to speak. 

So, clearly it is not a matter of Trump's pro-Israel bias. He is just continuing the USA pro-Israel sentiments since the inception of the State of Israel.

"Trade wars with the worlds two other biggest trade blocks aling with other countries that not even America can win on its own"

 Hopefully the latest news on the US-China Trade Agreement puts this to bed.

"The long term health of environment is fucked because Trump just doesn't want to believe the over the overwhelming mountain of proof about climate change."

Nope. He just did not agree with the Paris Agreement which, like many other "agreements" turned the USA in a milk cow. The so-called mountain of proof is highly suspect in any case. I am sure that Moz has schooled you before about the USA clean energy.

"I'm happy to live in Ireland. Its a great little country. I'd rather live here than any where else and am grateful its politicaly stable and centerist."

Good on you. Enjoy.

"I hope it politics and media never sinks to the level of the US or UK."

And then you go and spoil the above with such an arrogant, immature and petulant remark.

"Also save some of your scorn for the companies that used Ireland as a tax heaven."

I find it interesting that you seem to brag about it, yet the EU and your Leo Varadkar crapped themselves over the possibility of the U.K. creating a tax haven of its own. Amazing