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UK wants to get rid of the right wing Torries ASAP

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
03 Oct 2022, 01:22
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03 Oct 2022, 01:22#1

I have said this many times before... The right-wing party in Democracies don't represent a middle-class agenda.

The conservative party follows trickle-down economics. Basically, make the richest richer, and "maybe" everyone else will benefit "if" the GDP increases. 

Right-wing politicians campaign for low taxes - but the only people that benefit from the low tax policies are the rich. 
VAT, for example, stays the same regardless of if it is a left or right-wing government for everyone else, but the richest 3% of course will have ways around this. 

Lobbyists and Donors decide economic policies. It is economic authoritarianism, causing the middle class to shrink. The right-wing politicians fight for the agenda of the richest 3%- their paymasters. 

It is purely about allowing the richest 3% of people to pay no tax, or follow any business compliance and regulations.

The order of the day is allowing mergers to reduce competition so that shareholders can maximise profit. 
Also, outsourcing jobs to cheap countries once there is little competition because providing a service is less important because of reduced choice. (e.g. oligopoly)

If politics could be cleaned up by making it more transparent, it might revolutionise what is defined as left and right-wing. 

For example, if political donations were capped, this would make politics more democratic.
It would be about the number of donations, not individual amounts by billionaires. (who either seek tax reductions or permission to merge companies and destroy competition).  

That would remove the leverage that the richest have to select who makes up the conservative candidates. 
People can only choose from the final candidates, and at present, the richest people decide who is on the shortlist. 

It could mean that a conservative with a middle-class agenda could win on policies and beat the bribed slimeballs who win because of campaign donations.

If a middle-class conservative had a policy that tax will be reduced for everyone, just by ensuring the richest pay the same % of the tax.

Currently, the richest 3% own 97% of the wealth, but governments are not taxing this, or at a tiny % of what everyone else pays. 

It is simple - tax the richest 3% the same % as everyone else, and then everyone pays less tax. 
So it is a conservative agenda (Low tax is better for the economy) - but everyone gets the benefit of the policy

At the moment, voting for the conservative party is just voting for tax reductions for the rich.

This is what I don't understand about simpletons like DumbMike.

He constantly claims the left wing is corrupt, but if the right-wing campaigns for low taxes only for the rich, it is obvious they just represent the rich.
Why would a billionaire donate billions to select politicians that would increase taxes for them (e.g. a left-wing, or a middle-class conservative)? 

If you were a billionaire that wanted tax reductions, of course, you would vote for what is currently referred to as the conservative party. 

If it was a conservative middle-class agenda, then I could vote for them. I am more concerned about economics than ideology.
Ideology is subjective, but fraud and bribes are not. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2022, 05:00
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03 Oct 2022, 05:00#2

I am very sorry for you - you mix up general statements without looking what is really going on in practice.    For instance you wrote about the Middle Class being destroyed by rightwing Conservatives - but the real attack on the Middle class in fact is from the leftwing/socialist ideology,

The very real situation is that the more leftist Govenrments in the EU are as unpopular in their countries than the Conservatives are in the UK as is evident from the recent election results in Sweden and Italy.    The economy of the EU Countries, the UK and the USA is in dire trouble and as a result inflation is soaring.   The people  suffering most under such crcumstances are not the SuperWealthy - but the middle and working classes,   

The other problem s that the leftist Governments relay on bureaucrats to actually run the economies and  they are totally interested i themselves and their political sidekicks are more interested in protecting their own interests than they are in Governing countries,   These people push a Green Agenda with dire consequences for most people.

The fact is the UK and EU countries economic growth was slow - but problems sin 2020 and 2021 caused havoc for the ordinary people.   Those included -

*    the lock-downs stemming from the Covid pandemic and the chance seen by the politicians to grab more power over the lives of the people;

*    the inflation and consequent recession in the USA caused by  the biden Administration that had worldwide implications.; and

*    the present unstable world situation like for instance the Ukraine War.

The core of the problem is what caused the above problems and an analysis could be linked to the policies of Biden - acting on the advice of China-linked organization promotng the reduction of oil and gas production i n the USA,   That reduction caused rising price rises in he global oil market,    

When petrol and diesel prices go up. inflation is a direct result - transport and in the case of farming production costs go up     Inflation caused havoc in the USA - with worldwide consequences,   

Another negative affecting ordinary people badly is the Ukraine War,   Inflation was already rife in the USA and for many products the store shelves went empty because of trnaportation of goods.    The War in Ukraine has had ghastly consequences and the question is who benefits from the War.  The fact is that the main beneficiaries are the massive US Armaments industry and as a result of kicjbacks the politicians promoting the War with a kick-back system in place.    The USA thus far has allocated $67 billion in arms and other assistance to Ukraine,   What is in fact delivered is second hand equipment and that equipment replacement by more modern armaments is causing a flood of inflationary expenditure by Government,

People are beginning to question why the US is pumping that kind of money to Ukraine whole there are -

*    hundreds of thousands homeless people living in the streets with ghastly consequences iro of drug addiction and crime increases;

*   accirding to a recent survey an estimated 17 million children go t bed hungry as a result f inflation.  

The situation is basically that on average people believe they are at pressnt worse of fthan they were in the past.    The impact under such conditions people vote with their pocket interests  and ideology has very little to do       

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
03 Oct 2022, 12:03
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03 Oct 2022, 12:03#3

@DumbMike, 

You do not think. You just regurgitate cliche, and cant sees any context. 

You have 2 containers. One for capitalism and one for socialism. 
You classify Europe are socialist, but it is one of the best places in the world.
A place like Germany is perhaps the fairest in the world.

Billionaires bribing politicians is not capitalism, it is corruption. It is like the Oligarchs pulling the strings behind the scenes. 

You are too brainwashed to realise that the conservative parties are currently run by people that represent the richest 3%. They need you for a vote, but after that, you are discarded by them.

If you had picked up on the point I said about a conservative middle-class agenda, you might have understood that the current right-wing politicians don't represent the Democratic majority. (E.g. Reduce VAT for everyone).

Many people would support and vote for a middle-class conservative agenda. The current conservative politicians are bought and paid for by billionaire donors. 
Some of the left-wing are on the take as well, but why would billionaires back the left who are more likely to tax them, or even a conservative with a middle-class agenda?   


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