FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / MIKES GRIPES /  Ukraine’s invasion has exposed Putin’s messianic vision of Russia as a mirage

Ukraine’s invasion has exposed Putin’s messianic vision of Russia as a mirage

Started by bobbok...15 REPLIES3,744 VIEWS· 17 Aug 2024, 23:17
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
17 Aug 2024, 23:17
#1
17 Aug 2024, 23:17#1

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/aug/17/putin-russia-ukraine-incursion-kursk


Luke Harding

Vladimir Putin’s war plan was simple. Russian tanks would roll into Kyiv, while special forces seized key buildings and raised the Russian flag. The operation – to conquer Ukraine and to install a puppet government – would take around three days. The west would be horrified, of course. But – sooner or later – it would grudgingly recognise this new and great Russian reality.

Two and half years after his full-scale invasion, however, the triumphant parade Putin envisaged on Kyiv’s Khreshchatyk boulevard has yet to happen. Victory has proved elusive. Ukrainians didn’t welcome “liberation” by their Slavic brothers in the way Putin’s spy agency predicted. They fought back. The country’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, also failed to leg it and to follow Russia’s imperious script.

After pulling out from around the capital in spring 2022, Russian troops have been going forward in the eastern Donetsk region. Putin, seemingly, had regained the initiative. His tactic: to bomb and steamroller towns and broken villages. The war, he calculated, would eventually end on Russia’s terms. Ukraine would be forced to give up the territory it had already lost – about 18% of the country – and more cities on top.

The past 12 days have shattered the Kremlin’s strategic assumptions, borne from the fact that Russia has a bigger, more powerful army. On 6 August, Ukraine launched a surprise cross-border raid into Russia’s Kursk region. It was the biggest foreign incursion into Russia since the Second World War. Moscow had no inkling that this was coming. Ukrainians walloped a Russian border post and breezed into enemy territory.

So far, the operation has been a stunning success for Kyiv, exceeding expectations. Mobile Ukrainian groups using US Stryker armoured vehicles and British Challenger 2 tanks have made rapid progress. They now control about 80 settlements, including the border town of Sudzha. The pace of their advance has slowed in the past few days. But Russia has been unable to halt this extraordinary mini-invasion.

For Putin, these unforeseen events have been a personal humiliation. Videos sent from the war zone have been remarkable. Ukrainian servicemen filmed themselves ripping down Russian flags from municipal buildings. Hundreds of Russian conscripts – sent in as reinforcements – have surrendered. Wide-eyed Ukrainian journalists have toured Sudzha, reporting on a humanitarian aid delivery to civilians hiding in basements.

Russian state media insist that its forces are 'repelling' terrorists and enemies. In reality, self-doubt is creeping in

When Russian troops overran Ukrainian cities in 2022, locals staged mass demonstrations. Near Kursk, by contrast, there has been apathy. Until now, most Russians have ignored the war, regarding it as something far away. Now, though, the conflict has reached their doorstep. Russian officials say 133,000 people have fled. Many feel abandoned. Slowly but surely, support for Putin’s “special military operation” is slipping.

Zelenskiy and his generals appear to have overlapping goals. One is military: to force Moscow to divert troops from the east and to relieve pressure on the Ukrainian town of Pokrovsk and other vulnerable parts of the existing 977km-long frontline. This hasn’t happened. Thus far, Russia has redoubled its efforts in the Donetsk region and has scrambled conscript-heavy brigades from the rear, as well as from the occupied south of Ukraine.

A further objective is to strengthen Kyiv’s bargaining position before possible negotiations. Putin has laid claim to four Ukrainian provinces, including the city of Zaporizhzhia and other chunks of territory that his forces do not control. These maximalist demands look ludicrous if he can’t defend Russia’s own flakey borders. Kyiv will want to keep its Kursk salient – until winter and beyond – with a view to a subsequent swap.

Undoubtedly, the operation has boosted Ukrainian morale after a difficult, dark period and a bungled counteroffensive in 2023. It has cheered Ukraine’s international partners too. There are uncertainties ahead, with the US presidential elections in November and the possible return of Donald Trump. Kyiv’s message: with sufficient weapons we can win. Also, the west’s red lines – against the use of long-range weapons inside Russia – are meaningless when US-supplied Humvees trundle around the Kursk countryside.

Whatever its eventual outcome, the attack has dented the myth of Putin’s invincibility. The president disappeared for much of last week. In crises, he typically keeps a low profile. Russian state media insist that all is well, and its forces are “repelling” terrorists and enemies. In reality, self-doubt is creeping in. Nobody in Moscow knows what Ukraine might do next – a second incursion in neighbouring Belgorod, maybe, or an audacious strike on Crimea?

None of this means that Russia is likely to get a new head of state. No coup is looming. Now 71, Putin has been in power as prime minister or president for a quarter of a century, the longest stint by a Kremlin leader since Stalin. Rumours that he is ill – and possibly dying – turned out to be untrue. There is no obvious successor. Ever wary, he recently sent his former chief bodyguard Alexei Dyumin to oversee the defence of Kursk.



Nevertheless, Putin’s grip is perhaps shakier than it seems. In summer 2023, the Russian warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin launched his own violent expedition. His Wagner mercenaries captured the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don and marched halfway to Moscow. Nobody stopped them. Prigozhin backed down and died two months later in a plane crash. The rebellion, though, revealed the brittle nature of Putin’s repressive regime.

It is perfectly possible that Putin will soon deploy massive force and wipe out the intruders. As things stand, the war is going badly for him, his photo torn down from Kursk village halls and chucked in the bin. Karma, payback, hubris… the latest news does not conform to his messianic vision of a restored pan-Russia, encompassing Ukraine and Belarus.

A keen student of history, Putin took part in celebrations last year to mark the USSR’s victory over Nazi Germany in the battle of Kursk.

Now a second battle of Kursk is under way. It is bloody and fast-moving. Nobody knows how it will end. Some inside the Kremlin were against the invasion. One way to extricate Russia from this costly mess, they may conclude, is to remove the man in charge.

Luke Harding’s Invasion: Russia’s Bloody War and Ukraine’s Fight for Survival, shortlisted for the Orwell prize, is published by Guardian Fabe





CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2024, 03:22
#2
18 Aug 2024, 03:22#2

There never was an Ukraine invasion of Russia - there was a raid by a Ukraine army unit into the Kursk region and that was repelled b Russian soldiers - with the NATO weapons suppied being destroyed,    Did get that from two  independent sources with no links to Russia,    

The Guardian as a source is normally BS propaganda spreading anyway.    .    

   .       

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2024, 05:00
#3
18 Aug 2024, 05:00#3

More than 3,000 people have been evacuated over the last 24 hours from areas in Russia's western Kursk region affected by the ongoing incursion of the Ukrainian army.

The Russian Emergency Ministry said on Saturday that more than 10,000 local residents were staying at temporary accommodation centres in other parts of the country.

The incursion, which Russian authorities say has led to the evacuation of more than 120,000 civilians, came as a shock to many people living in the Kursk oblast which borders Ukraine.

"No one expected that this kind of conflict was even possible in the Kursk region," said Yan Furtsev, a member of the local opposition party, Yabloko.

…..from Euronews.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2024, 05:02
#4
18 Aug 2024, 05:02#4

Odd sort of raid, when120,000 civilians are evacuated,

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
18 Aug 2024, 06:17
#5
18 Aug 2024, 06:17#5
Thats it I refuse to read anymore of dumb mikes bat shittery insanity.
He obviously just prowls the internet looking for anything that he wants to be true and doesn't give a fuck if it's true or not just believes what he wants to.
Russia has openly admitted that the Ukrainian army holds a large area of Kursk and are building forces to try to repel them. Nothing I have seen from either side is quoting they have withdrawn from Russia.  
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Aug 2024, 06:54
#6
18 Aug 2024, 06:54#6

..

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Aug 2024, 06:56
#7
18 Aug 2024, 06:56#7


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2024, 11:16
#8
18 Aug 2024, 11:16#8

Mozartr 

Two figueres prvvided -the one being 3 000 evcuees - the second one 10 000 and the propaganda BS bein 125 000 people.    The Russians normally evacuate vulnerable peple froar zones and they have revcuated 3,5 million people from Eastern Ukraine  since 2014. 

In the emantime the Ukraine unit - probably less than the normal 2 000 men fming a Ukraine batallion was repelled already and not making any real impact.   Relible news is that they uni has been repelled and the NATO weaponry used has been destroyed,    So live o the Ukrainins are not about to capture Moscow or any significant city in the area of Kursk.

Enjoy the story as it was publidshed as popganda in the USA.    It has no real impact on the war situation at all .             

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Aug 2024, 19:49
#9
18 Aug 2024, 19:49#9

"Messianic Vision" nogal ... nonsense, he was opportunistic and thought he could get away with it and everything will be over in a few weeks...still thinks it...but it wasn't as plain sailing as he thought and the tide is turning...the pressure increases daily....soon...

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
18 Aug 2024, 19:51
#10
18 Aug 2024, 19:51#10
DumbMike questions Western media, but takes the Russian media as gospel.
At least Western media has a left, centre and right - unlike the Russian Tripe.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Aug 2024, 23:31
#11
18 Aug 2024, 23:31#11

https://www.rt.com/

ouMaaik's go to site

Ukraine pushing Russia to use nuclear weapons – Belarus

Imitating the Nazis and desecrating graves: Disturbing actions of Ukrainian troops amid attack inside Russia A growing amount of video evidence from Kursk Region has shed light on the disturbing actions of Kiev’s forces


https://www.rt.com/russia/602724-kursk-ukraine-sudzha-looting/

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
18 Aug 2024, 23:56
#12
18 Aug 2024, 23:56#12

During the Kursk incursion some Ukrainian paratroops where killed by Russian Special Forces. Russian telegram channels have footage up of the dead Ukrainian soldiers decapitated and their heads placed on spikes. That's the nature of what Ukraine is up against.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 02:09
#13
19 Aug 2024, 02:09#13

‘Enjoy the story as it was publidshed as popganda in the USA’ …says Wanker. Here’s the source of the story:

‘ By Euronews with AP

Published on  18/08/2024 - 5:06 GMT+2•Updated 16:52Share this articleComments

Kyiv hopes that the surprise incursion into Russia, which started on August 6, will change the dynamic of the more than two-year-old conflict.

More than 3,000 people have been evacuated over the last 24 hours from areas in Russia's western Kursk region affected by the ongoing incursion of the Ukrainian army.

The Russian Emergency Ministry said on Saturday that more than 10,000 local residents were staying at temporary accommodation centres in other parts of the country.

The incursion, which Russian authorities say has led to the evacuation of more than 120,000 civilians, came as a shock to many people living in the Kursk oblast which borders Ukraine.

"No one expected that this kind of conflict was even possible in the Kursk region," said Yan Furtsev, a member of the local opposition party, Yabloko.

……….. 

Are you determined to make a fool of yourself in every post?

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
19 Aug 2024, 13:14
#14
19 Aug 2024, 13:14#14

It looks like this is what Ukraine's current objective is.  From there current incursion in Kursk Oblast, they have advanced as far as eastern end of the Seym river. There is 3 major bridges over the Seym which apparently as of now all been destroyed by Ukraine. In affect they have trapped the Russian's who are South of the Seym in the Glushkovsky district. Now the Russian's have got some pootoon bridges up but their logistics in that region are reported as being in a critical state. There may be a situation like in Kherson where the Russian's can't adequately supply the troops located there and may be obligated to abandon their positions south of the Seym entirely. The Russian's have already apparently pulled out of west side of the Seym river  which you can see in the centre right side of the map, which is Russian territory due to how exposed they where. 



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 15:03
#15
19 Aug 2024, 15:03#15

Very clever tactics. 

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Aug 2024, 21:11
#16
19 Aug 2024, 21:11#16

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/aug/19/ella-baron-on-the-effects-of-the-ukraine-buffer-zone-on-russia-cartoon


— END OF THREAD —

More from Mikes Gripes