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US Doctors paid more for Covid Deaths

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
31 Oct 2020, 15:59
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31 Oct 2020, 15:59#1

So this is the latest garbage from Trump...
Maybe hospitals should start injecting people with Corona virus to boost profits. 

How can any sensible person vote for this...



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
31 Oct 2020, 17:09
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31 Oct 2020, 17:09#2

I thought it was pretty well established that hospitals get extra for Covid admissions.

From ABC.com:

According to the US Department of Health and Human Services [HHS] which oversees the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, under the federal coronavirus aid relief bill known as the CARES Act, hospitals get an extra 20% in Medicare reimbursements on top of traditional rates due to the public health emergency.

That's for COVID-19 related admissions, which can include deaths. The pay-out amount varies, according to a medicare spokesperson who said "medicare adjusts hospital payment based on geographic variation in local costs."

Also, earlier this month, HHS announced a second round of federal relief for hospitals in high impact areas, totaling $10 billion. 

Of that second-round money, HHS reported 63 California hospitals received $50,000 for each eligible coronavirus patient they admitted between Jan. 1 and June 10, 2020. That's a combined total of more than $607 million.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
31 Oct 2020, 17:14
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31 Oct 2020, 17:14#3

Still, the most likely cause of the high deaths in the US is probably the general health of the population. 40% of Americans apparently live with diabetes, for example, the comorbidity that appears to be one of Covid's most lethal partners in crime.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
31 Oct 2020, 17:22
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31 Oct 2020, 17:22#4
Firstly, before doing any fact-checking.
Trump is being ambiguous. This could just as easily mean that doctors are killing patients by injecting them with Covid to get more money. 
Perhaps he is trying to keep the hospital admissions as low as possible before the third of November. Reported Deaths will become very high again within 7-10 days, and increased hospital admissions over the last few days are proof of that
Trump is eroding faith in the American systems by implying the whole medical care system is a fraud. Using the physical and mental health of Americans as leverage for votes. 
And now for the fact-checking :Ask FactCheck's conclusion: "Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting."
No cases of intentional misidentification of COVID patients have been reported, and a COVID diagnosis requires documentation, such as a positive test. Falsifying those documents would be unethical and illegal.
And in summary:This would be difficult to cover up within a Democratic society. Anyone caught doing this would go to jail. 
Covid relief is laws passed by the US Government. Of course, they are going to have to monitor this to ensure no corruption. However, there does not appear to be any reliable report that can prove this.  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Oct 2020, 17:31
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31 Oct 2020, 17:31#5

Firstly, before doing any fact checks: Snark is bullshitting...take that to the bank!

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
01 Nov 2020, 08:06
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01 Nov 2020, 08:06#6

That deaths that have not been caused by Covid are being reported as Covid deaths is a given, you can see it in the recent CDC report where hospice patients, cardiac arrests etc. are found in their thousands among Covid deaths. Whether this is deliberate misreporting or policy, I don't know. But to just believe that hospitals or doctors are squeaky clean and morally above suspicion is naive. They are businesses and money talks.

Trump's comment is not very bright though. It is a blanket statement that has, as you would expect, pissed off a lot of people in the medical profession and for what? To score a point or two on the Covid front? Not worth it. If there are irregularities to be uncovered, do so - but with a weight of evidence behind you.

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