US not ready for war with Russia, (let alone China)....the absurdity of it all.

US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has stated that Ukraine’s future lies in NATO, but said certain conditions must be met before it can join the alliance, which includes ending its conflict with Russia.

In an interview with CBS on Sunday, Sullivan insisted that NATO is committed to accepting Kiev into its ranks despite the lack of a formal invitation or timeline for membership during last week’s NATO summit in Vilnius, Lithuania.

“Ukraine’s future is in NATO. We meant it. That’s not up for negotiation,” Sullivan said. “That’s something that now all 31 allies have committed to,” he added, referring to the final statement released at the end of the summit, in which all members of the alliance pledged to eventually accept Ukraine into the bloc, once a number of conditions are met.

Speaking to ABC, Sullivan said that accepting Ukraine into the alliance now would mean a direct confrontation between the bloc and Russia.

“Having Ukraine come into NATO while the war is going on would mean that NATO was at war with Russia, it would mean the United States was at war with Russia. And neither NATO nor the United States were prepared to do that,” he said.

Kiev insists that it has already met all of the requirements to join the US-led bloc and has expressed confusion over what more it has to do to qualify for membership.

“When will those conditions be met? What are those conditions? Who should formulate them? What are they?” Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba said in an interview with Radio Free Europe last week.

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky lashed out at NATO for failing to meet Kiev’s membership demands and called the lack of a roadmap towards accession “unprecedented and absurd,” saying NATO’s indecisiveness is a sign of weakness.

LOL, do you actually believe your own lies. Where does article say that NATO is not ready. It says neither the US or NATO want a war with Russia not that they can't fight it.

Well NATO would be obliged to send foot soldiers in support if Ukraine was with NATO. 

I don't think any country will want go to the front against Russia other than Ukraine though. 

Turkey might be obliged to turn their F16's towards Russia instead of bombing defenceless Kurds. 

Let alone China...Don't you mean let alone Russia?

China would be a formidable opponent with over 1 billion people and a world power.
Putin's pisspot economy is not a match for the power and might of the NATO alliance.

Russia is a pisspot economy. They are not a world power, and only have a population of less than half the US. Little Italy has a better economy than Russia. 

Russia still thinks they can roll into a place with tanks as if it was 1940.
Russia will have no tanks after this war. 

Sharkpiss doesn't know that Russia has 3 tank re-furbishing plants. 

The tanks are in Ukraine, or what is left of them. 

Well NATO would be obliged to send foot soldiers in support if Ukraine was with NATO. 

I don't think any country will want go to the front against Russia other than Ukraine though. 

Well its true that NATO would be obliged to send foot soldiers and more to support Ukraine if it was a NATO member and it's also true the populations would likely not be in favour of risking the lives of their soldiers for the sake of Ukraine. But ultimately the real concern here is fear of escalation to nuclear war.

But don't delude yourselves. If it can down to a conventional war between NATO and Russia the Russian's would get annihilated. They are sitting on the defensive against Ukraine alone, yet the Z-Bots reckon Russia could take on an additional 31 countries, included the most advanced militaries in the world. 

Sharkpiss doesn't know that Russia has 3 tank re-furbishing plants. 

Stav

'But don't delude yourselves. If it can down to a conventional war between NATO and Russia the Russian's would get annihilated. They are sitting on the defensive against Ukraine alone, yet the Z-Bots reckon Russia could take on an additional 31 countries, included the most advanced militaries in the world."     

In what world ae you living?     Anybody that make the above statement must be totally without thinking  ability.    Lets go back to the last 300 years and you would find that  Napoleon with an army of 600 000 soldiers were destroyed by invading Russia.   Germany in WW2 tried the same and the Germana army of hundreds and thousands of soldiers were destroyed.

You last week wrote about the counter-offensive are making progress and even provided maps of the area now under the control of  the Ukraine army.    The fact is Zelenskyy  has announced that the counter-offensive has been suspended  after advancing about 5 kms and ran into the Russian Army and in the process they lost thousands of soldiers.   The Pentagon confirmed that the counter-offensive has been "suspended"- in real terms in life means the counter-offensive flopped.   

You aways went into euphoria about every new announcement about additional weaponry is provided - but what was initially provided were bragged about that it would destroy the Russian army, because the Russian arms are totally inferior.    How effective is the leopard tanks  the  Germans provided to the Ukraine that would lead to Ukraine winning the war.   The Russians are idiots and sub-humans that cannot produce any real armaments.    Every time the USA corrupt and clueless President  announced that new armaments are going to be supplied to Ukraine so as to ensure it never really happened and effectively Ukraine in the end lost areas to the Russians,   

The recruitment of troops by the USA under Biden now lays down recruitment quotas based on racism, internal city  areas, sexual orientation and women.   Instead of the normal recruits normally from rural areas gave the USA a very strong fighting army - that has gone to chaos by now.     The quota system referred to has resulted in recruitment needs could not be achieved,   In the past soldiers fought for their countries, their families, property and their own believes and culture.   All those are under attack in the NATOO countries and loyalty to their countries is a grave sin to be destroyed.    

The US Army leadership is crazily incompetent an useless.   In the last 100 years the US developed  a strategic army that was extra-ordinary in strength under Obama destruction of t he basic structure of the army came under attack the new recruits will run away as fast as they can from any battleground they believe in nothing and that means they will not fight for anything.   Trump tired to stop the rot and both NATO and the USA got new equipment to strengthen the army - under Biden the collapse of the USA armed services was exhilarated and the USA is not trusted to honor undertakings in future.   

You think the NATO army would destroy the Russian army - no chance in hell that being possible,     They would in nothing.   At least the Ukraine soldiers are fighting  for their country will NATO forces fight for anything?    They believe in nothing and they will self-destruct as a result.   .                                                        

No DumbMike, no...

Napoleon and Hitler, and military generals before them have lost to Russia's winter, not the Russian army. 

The scorched earth policy is well documented. Hitler's generals warned him about this mistake, but Hitler stuffed up.

Russia is a huge cold country, and  "was" ideal for a scorched earth policy. 
However, in the 21st century, there would be nowhere to hide from conventional weapons.

NATO could take Russia in a few days. Just conquer Moscow and Peters burg and they are stuffed, 

10th largest economy vs all of NATO….you can’t be serious!

This type of war would escalate and more likely could end up with total annihilation...BRICS against the West and nuclear...no winners. I believe there a considerable number of countries that now what to join BRICS, including, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey .

Number of nuclear warheads worldwide 2023 | Statista

The West cannot get men on the ground in any war. Only the marines in the US are worth their salt. These polka dots on here haven't a clue.

Looking at those rankings Seb I would place Turkey above Britain and France, except for the nuclear armaments. 

SB

So NATO is going into Russia will not encounter the weather conditions that you say destroyed Napoleon and Hitler - all that due to Global warming.    No idiot speaker - the vastness of the country and the resistance of the people of Russia against invaders  by all means possible destroy armies.      

Has NATO the at least 500 000 soldiers needed  to invade Russia and where would they come from?   The war on history, culture and loyalty to countries and extending  even to democracy have been waged for at least the past decade.   So what will the soldiers fight or being prepared to die for?     

Poor old Mike, he’s  such a Russia bot he was going on about the Russians at Wimbledon, all of whom had woeful, embarrassing exits.

But none as embarrassing as Russia’s bloody nose inflicted by   the much smaller neighbor they were trying to bully,

Stick to your golf Mozzie, war isn't good for you. 

I am sorry - I asked the idiots a real question about the issue of the NATO armies - which even Stav said is in poor condition and about the present ideology preeached in the emdia - at universities and even in schools aimed at destroying loyalty to anyting and all that came back is BS and lies.

Since I am for peace in Ukraine based on fair principles and wrote about the foolishness of banning Russian Players from playing in the UK last year - something the All England Lawn Tennis themselves admitted by withdrawing the ban this year - Mozart went on his normal lying BS and in his deceptive way calls me a Russian Bot.     I have seen sport idiocy of Mozart many times so I accept  he is a liar and a useless parrot of media propaganda like many of our members are.

SB is even a bigger fool than Mozart is.     The bloody nose Mozart referred to imply a substantial loss o part of Eastern Ukraine and the destruction of the massive weaponry provided to the Ukraine by idiots in the USA that undermine peace efforts in Ukraine.   It least a question mark on the bloody nose the Taliban ended up giving the idiotic Biden Administration when they caused the US army to flee from Afghanistan and leaving US citizens and people ho worked for the US Army for years in the hands of the Taliban.    

We also have SB - a real expert on arms manufacturing - that Russia cannot manufacture weaponry comparable to what NATO has.    As recently as three  years ago   NATO was using outdated and poor equipment and only when Trump forced he EU countries to meet their commitments to NATO that they agreed to when joining NATO that NATO was able to start procuring new and more modern weaponry.     so h ow many Tiger tanks you were raving about is still left in Ukraine?    They were virtually all destroyed by the inferior Russian weaponry.    

Mozart is always welcome to show his prejudices on site and keep on being silly - somebody to laugh at - SB is just a propaganda absorbing idiot.        

This is hilarious - the Pentagon with all their highly-trained experts sent millions of Pentagon items to Mali.  A Dutch person working in Mali discovered the fuck-up and now  the Pentagon claimed it was due to a typing error and no classified and secret documents were  involved,   I think Russia - an ally of Mali has all the documents in their possession by now have all the document involved.

It is on par with the corrupt President of the USA  allowed Chinese companies to buy out companies to buy out US Companies who manyfacture parts for arms production to the Chinese and the Chinese then sending the plans and designs to Beijing - who shares the plans with the Russians - so the design of all the modern arms made by the USA is in the hands of the Chinese and Russian.   

The Black Hawks - the most advanced helicopters are left at the Bagram base when the army of the USA fled from Bagram Base claiming they have disabled the helicopters.   False claim - some of he helicopters have been delivered to Beijing and by now the Russian and Chinese  will be producing black hawks themselves.

The US Government is destroying the USA internally and what they are doing at present is just enhancing the destruction.   The UK , Germany and France are power puffs and Turkey will not get involved in a war against Russia.     If you want to see a paper tiger going up in flames  - wait till NATO attack Russia,    But the warmongers on site are hoping NATO will attack Russia.

One can understand the attitude of the USA  iro Ukraine.   They destroyed the Ukraine Constitution  and created a banana republic in Ukraine.  They appointed the leadership who would do their bidding in 2014 and flooded and funded the Ukraine - who undermined peace negotiations while the politicians get enriched through bribery and corruption and the USA is on a downhill road - even according to opinion polls are gong downhill fast.   In the meantime the country is losing allies quickly.    That shows what happened to a country ruined by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats in charge - and the worst Amy Command ever in the history of the USA in charge,   

If the situation was so band and destruction of the basic principles of democracy such a huge  tragedy - people can laugh about it.    In the meantime the media is spinning  lies and the real situation hidden from public knowledge - the ignorant idiots  repeat BS on site idiots whom they control totally are spreading the BS on site.    One can only shake one's head in a mazement.