Vaccine Reality

The UK vaccines aggressively and has 2500 cases yesterday. France dominated by European bureaucrats can’t ramp up vaccines and has 43500 cases with roughly the same population. Even vaunted Germany had 32500 cases as Euro think comes home to roost. All these foolish European leaders who scoffed at Trump should have followed his lead on vaccines.

Here’s an interesting anecdote. A friend of the family was vaccinated with Moderna, but not her husband or college age kids. One boy went on Spring Break and contracted Covid, but was largely asymptomatic. In the unsuspecting home environment he infected the father and the two siblings who had remained at home. The only family member who dodged the bullet was the vaccinated mother.

Don’t listen to the nutters, get your vaccine. I had zero symptoms  both times I got the Pfizer vaccine, barring a slight soreness in the arm after the second shot.

Then we have the FDA stopping the J&J vaccine because 6 people out of 6 million vaccinated have developed blood clots...and one died. 

But what would have happened to those 6 million without the vaccine .....they represent about1/50 th of the US population. And the vaccination period of 30 days or so for J&J coincided with about 2 million cases.

So we could assume that 1/50th of 2 million or 40000 cases could have been associated with the J&J patients without the vaccine.

Now the death rate is about 2% for affirmed cases....but probably closer to 0.6 % when you factor in undocumented cases and multiple causes of death. Some might say that’s too conservative, but that only strengthens the argument.

If 6 out of a 1000 of the infected died, it would imply that of the 40000 cases the J&J vaccine averted, 240 people would have died.

So the bungling FDA suits have traded mortality at a rate of 240 deaths for 1 death. And I’m sure they did this following ‘the science’.

Mozart

As per normal it appears  that vaccination in SA  has become corrupted  by crooks,    I received an e-mail to notify me that  I should report for vaccination - but then followed personal questions  that could be used for bank fraud,

You have been vaccinated - I am hesitant about it - what would you advise me to do in this case, .

Mike,

In your age group, my guess is that you're better off taking the vaccine.

I would think so too.

For me, it's not that I specifically don't trust these vaccines.

It's that I generally struggle to trust the outcome of a rushed process where oversight has been severely relaxed and where there are huge profits to be made.

I simply don't trust human beings enough.

That's less about being skeptical of science and more about understanding the extent to which incentive can and does corrupt.

"The UK vaccines aggressively and has 2500 cases yesterday."

The UK vaccination program has indeed been very impressive. However its current low number of cases does not offset the fact that for substantial periods of time their case numbers where higher. As a result the UK covid deaths is currently higher than either France or Germany. Its possible the UK may end with a lower death rate than France thanks to its vaccination rollout but its extremely unlikely they will end up with better numbers than Germany who's overall handling of the pandemic has been substantially better the UK.

"France dominated by European bureaucrats"

Who are these bureaucrats?

"All these foolish European leaders who scoffed at Trump should have followed his lead on vaccines."

"Euro think"

What the hell is that? Any relation to Euro Beat?

LOL, after viewing the clusterf**k that was Trumps handling of the pandemic I doubt many Europeans would want to switch places with America.

Completely agree with you on getting the vaccine though

Covid is nothing like Small Pox...and the vaccines not even close to being as effective as the Small Pox vaccine...Covid will keep on spreading and mutating untill a really effective vaccine is developed...in the meantime,  people's immune systems will addapt to deal with it more effectively...in 5 years from now, it will be no worse than the flu...too many people would have died, but that's how it is.

You keep ignoring the socio economic and population forces around the epidemic. Governments don’t control those....they do control the vaccine response. 

Thanks for mentioning that. Vaccines and travel into and out of the country is in the Central Government’s ambit , very little else.

Anybody who still doesn't know these CCP Virus "Vccines" are not vaccines is not off first base.

I take the trouble to post information as to why they are not vaccines but gene therapies. But the dumbasses here are too lazy to read the posts.

I post one medical expert after another outlining why these "vaccines" are dangerous and they are ignored.

These medical experts warn that the devastating effects of the vaccines will be experienced months later aand your bodies antibodies attack your infected cells etc etc.

But its like talking to a dumbass brick wall.

I publish deaths and severe side effects but that matters not. Remember those figures from the UK?

What do we know. Well from the chart I post ex the CDC the death rates from the CCP Virus are very small. Now consider that the deaths used in the calculation are vastly over stated as well. Also they are significantly effected by the actions take by 4 genocidal maniacal demonrat governors who sent infected people into old age homes!

Every single day I come across horror stories of people dying from these gene therapies. 

These "vaccines"  are approved for emergency use by the FDA. As such they cannot be mandated on anybody The drug companies set to make trillions are exempt from any liability!

Now there are huge lawsuits coming out. 

Plum from what  I have seen there is absolutely no risk reward benefit in your being "vaccinated" 

Personally I will not be "vaccinated" at any price but its your choice. 

I think I must post some more on these "vaccines" so loved by Gates and Fauci. But the likelihood few will look at the. That guy who is rated as one the top vaccine experts in the world and who spoke out so strongly was outstanding.

Dr Moz is a Global elite and its quite possible people like him are not getting the "vaccine" the plebs are getting. I can't imagine Bill Gates putting this potentially lethal garbage  into himself!

Gates the eugenicist who stated he could use vaccines to reduce the worlds population. 

Look also at all the lies surrounding covid. Go to Worldometer and see the death toll for Sweden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!No lockdown Chumps.

Look at how the USA death rate peaked just at the election.

Read how study after study show masks don't work.

There are even articles explaining how vaccinated people are in greater dangers from any variants as they are primed to produced anti bodies like crazy producing the ultimate Cytokine storm.

"Vaccinated" people become Covid factories. Their immune system at was with their own cells and their is no stopping it.

Those are my views after reading and viewing the counter arguments and science banned by the Globalist media and by big tech. you should knw you only ban stuff when you cant win the debate

Is there any need to criticise the Covid 19 performances of other countries in comparison to South Africa's?   

Get your vaccine HasBeen. There are no proper randomized studies that show masks or  Remdesivir work. No doubt theCovid data was tweaked to get Trump. But the evidence is  the vaccines are effective  

Well its no surprise beenshit disbelieves the science because of the globalist conspiracy, did anyone expect any different.

The fact beenshit is opposed to the vaccine is proof enough to me its the way to go, the day Beenshit is right about anything I will go a to church and ask god WTF is going on.

Those with Conspiracy theories need to have something to fall back on when their minds cannot understand what is going on - The world does not know what is going on but most of us don't need to come up with loony answers to satisfy the mind.

These types are control freaks and if they are not in control - They do exactly that - Freak Out and have to find answers very quickl y

These types over think everything while life passes them by.

I cannot comment on Beeno as an individual because I don't know him.

Let's see...

According to some atheists here, Christianity was started in order to control people through fear and spiritual manipulation. A 2000 year old conspiracy which has been so successful that it shaped the world we live in and continues to thrive to this day.

Quite confusing, to understand what is and is not a conspiracy.

Here's a little conspiratorial gem for you tinf oil hat mockers to sink your teeth into. Perhaps some of you may have heard of the Marconi murders. Good luck explaining it in non-conspiratorial terms.

Beeno,

My general attitude of skepticism to products developed with little to no oversight and which stand to rake in huge profits means I that barely need to consider the data.

I'm not gonna drive a car that was developed in a rush our buy a house that was built in record time. Why should my approach to a vaccine be any different?

My ex(an Oxford immunology PHD) is a researcher at Pfizer in Denmark. We're in semi-regular contact and she told me to wait to few years before getting the vaccine. She said she'd only be vaccinating her kids for Covid once she was happy that it was safe.

Understanding the type of NDA she is under would shed light on exactly how telling a statement that actually is from her.

In three years, I might get it, depending on what transpires between now and then. 

Of course its experimental; heck its only approved for emergency use after all and the companies producing it demanded that they face no liability for damages.

Its incredible that dispite posting the views all all these medical experts denouncing these "vaccines" soe half wits here see no danger. Thousands have already dies and hundreds of thousands more have suffered serious effects. Astra Zeneca and J& J have been stopped in many countries and now we are hearing Moderna and Pfizer have the same problems all these medics opposing the vaccine say the problems will only fully emerge later.

But no lets believe a proven liar like Fauci and a depopulationist/eugenicist like the murderous  Gates. Do some research and find out what Gates did with vaccines in India and South africa. 

You get stupid and then you get this BS from the hatters here joined unfortunately by Moz.

No Moz I will not be getting the "vaccine" I prefer to wait and see what happens.

Time I got busy and posted more real information.

I am alawys stunned at how bigoted and brainwashed some folk are.  So many very serious red flags but totally ignored.

There is a calculus here for younger people...old people need their shots

Unfortunately HasBeen the guys you are quoting are just as bent as the Fauci team.....lots of agendas. I believe in the money. Pfizer is a 100 billion dollar company that will make very little from the vaccines. They would not put their reputation at risk for a dubious vaccine,

Moz, IMO it's the weighing of odds...at what age does the potential covid hazard outweighs the long-term side effects the vaccines might have? Different for all I suppose...personal choic e?

Putin, Biden and Johnson have all been vaccinated and neither have had bad results...that says something. Each one different vaccines Putin Sputnik V, Biden Pfizer and Johnson Astra Veneca.

Does that not speak something?

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Democracy and Capitalism were created by the ancient Greeks, and then applied further by Romans - not Christianity.
Western Civilisation was built on this, not Christianity. 

Amazing how the Christians are now capitalists and Democrats...  given Christianity took civilisation backwards with its monolithic communist truth. Only one true God, with everyone else Baal worshipers...

Democracy and Capitalism will mean nothing without a fair justice system...the Romans gave us that.

The Romans had their demise shortly after they lost control of immigration and defunded the military.

but their legal system was the best the world has ever known...tried and tested over several centuries...

Sure about that?

"The Romans had their demise shortly after they lost control of immigration and defunded the military."

Despite having special legal procedures and laws for immigrants/foreigners while trying to assimilate them as fairly as possible.

See peregrinus for details.

Interestingly, this is where the paregrine falcon's name finds its origin.