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Vance wins the debate

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 04:18
#1
02 Oct 2024, 04:18#1

The optics were all with him….friendly and young vs old and grumpy. But he showed the debating skills Trump didn’t against Harris. He answered every question directly, found a way to put some gloss on weaknesses in Trump’s positions. And did it all, looking the audience in the eye, being American and being nice. The best debate performance for a long, long time.


It’s unclear that it will change much, VP debates typically don’t. But the advantages of youth may swing a few voters.


Walz survived, although his lie about being in Hong Kong during Tiananmen  Square was awkward. I doubt anybody would want him as President but a few Republicans might think Vance could me more attractive than the fellow at the top of the ticket.


The moderators learned nothing from the NBC debate in terms of ensuring a level playing field, no surprise there.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 04:30
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02 Oct 2024, 04:30#2

Just seen this from The NY Times:


The first half of the vice-presidential debate has been the strongest illustration in this campaign so far of why it made sense for Donald Trump to pick JD Vance as his running mate. The Ohio senator is delivering one of the best debating performances by a Republican nominee for president or vice president in recent memory and making a case for Trump’s record far more effectively than Trump has ever been capable of doing.

Vance’s performance has included a dose of self-conscious humanization, an attempted reintroduction to his blue-collar background and striking personal biography after weeks of effective Democratic attacks on his right-wing podcast commentary. It’s included some careful rhetorical tap dancing and policy jujitsu on issues like climate change and abortion. But mostly it’s just been an effective prosecution of the case against the Biden-Harris administration, focusing relentlessly on encouraging viewers to be nostalgic for the economy, the immigration landscape and the relative foreign-policy calm of Trump’s term.


Tim Walz, on the other hand, seems affable, well meaning and, relative to Vance, largely out of his depth. He’s spending too much time partly agreeing with his rival while making a much more haphazard case against Trump than Vance is making against Kamala Harris.

I think one question raised by this performance so far is why the Harris campaign has basically kept Walz away from one-on-one interviews while Vance has been out there dealing with hostile questions from Day 1 of his candidacy. It feels as though the Minnesota governor would have benefited immensely from spending some more time being grilled on the Sunday shows before he was sent out to do battle with a Republican vice-presidential nominee, who, whatever his other weaknesses, clearly knows how to debate.



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 05:09
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02 Oct 2024, 05:09#3

Trump was and we all know it an interim Presidnt for four years, from 2024 and will not run again in 2028.    Trump has a huge support base  amongst  working class people and without that base  no Republican can win any election.

The objective was clear - put Vance on centerstage to take over the presidency in 2028.   In fact two assassination attempts were unsuccessful - but that will not be the end of the story - the opponents of Trump  will through hate speech and even through organization of attempt lead to further assassination attempts on Trump.   So Vance was appointed as his successor as RP prsidential candidate in 2028.

I wanted to know what the link is between Walz and the Chinese Communist Party.    His regular visits to China  and his links in promoting China's friendship links indicates  that the USA may as well vote for President Xi as president of the USA - especialy since Harris's husband ia also appointed by the Chinese Government to handle legal issues in the relationship ivolvingcases i n oth Chna and the USA.   

Biden was in  his links to corruption involving Chinese bribes paid to his shelf-companies and then laundered to the Biden family members,   That scandal is not clear yet - but the FBI is up to their necks in shit because they refuse to investigate  the bank's reports on money laundering by the Biden's and now was forced to submit the reports to the House.    

Biden may get away with it based on Hur's findngs that Biden  is non-compus-mentus and would not realize what has happened.

              

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Oct 2024, 05:55
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02 Oct 2024, 05:55#4

That's why I said Trump's campaign needs someone with charisma who can actually speak coherently to be the face of it. Trump himself is the democrats' biggest weapon because he's such a one-trick, obnoxious oaf.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
02 Oct 2024, 06:59
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02 Oct 2024, 06:59#5

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/01/who-won-vp-debate-walz-vance

Vance or Walz: who won the VP debate? Our panel responds

Walz was solid but underwhelming, while Vance nimbly reset his public image

Wed 2 Oct 2024 05.45 BST

walz-vance

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
02 Oct 2024, 08:57
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02 Oct 2024, 08:57#6

Draw....there was no knockout punch.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Oct 2024, 08:59
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02 Oct 2024, 08:59#7

Yes even CNN is saying Vance won the debate. They say Tampon Tim didn't look prepared.

Now its getting worse for Tampon. Mozzie mentions one lie by Tampon but the fact is there were many lies and the fact checking of this lying Marxisr scumbag has been brutal. Its all over the place and cant be covered up.

Once again the moderators were completely in the tank for tampon. Vance had to deal with them as well.

So once again the winning margin, as with Trump. will only grow as time passes

As I said from the beginning J D Vance was a great VP pick. As I have noted he shreds the corrupt fake news globalist media with consummate ease. 

Face facts, President Trump has reshaped American politics. He has defeated the Globalist owned media, perverted coke snorting Hollywood freaks, Marxist academics, the Luciferian demonrat party and the Uni-party Globalist Rinos like sell out Nikki Haley an out and out war hawk.

Barring assassination and massive voting fraud Trump will win in November. He more poplar and loved than ever. He will go down in history as a very great president who saved America, at least for a time.

J D Vance will make a great President.

Steve Bannon said it will take some 16 years to deconstruct the Deep State so Vance is needed to do the Job. Lets hope he is as he appears to be. We all remember that traitor Mike Pence.  

I am looking forward to another Trump Administration. I particularly look forward to what Trump does on the international stage. Things have got very bad. Iran launched a major attack on Israel after Israel warned Iran they would hit back hard.

In another bad move former Dutch PM Rutte has been made Secretary General of NATO. Rutte an Open Borders Globalist who did huge damage to the Netherlands and was smashed by Gert Wilders the Dutch Patriot. Rutte on day one says Ukraine must become part of NATO. This will most likely lead to WW3.

The facts are simple. Trump needs to return to the Oval Office as fast as possible. Even with his outstanding talents its going to be a hard task stopping what is building up. Another big risk is an economic collapse. something else the Globalists have worked hard to achieve. Can it be stopped.

Meanwhile we have dumbass fools still supporting that weird, halfwitted Marxist loon Cackling Komrade K and the Tampon Tim! Mind boggling stupidity. Both are Globalist puppets. 



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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
02 Oct 2024, 13:40
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02 Oct 2024, 13:40#8

Was J.D. Trans wearing his eyeliner makeup? 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 14:23
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02 Oct 2024, 14:23#9

Draw…you can’t be serious!

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Oct 2024, 14:30
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02 Oct 2024, 14:30#10

The Trumpanzees who are gushing over JD Vance and calling him a great future president said all the same things about Mike Pence . . . until of course Mike Pence performed a ceremonial duty that every vice president before him has performed . . . and suddenly the Trumpanzees formed lynch mobs while demanding their right to hang Mike Pence by his neck from a rope until he was dead.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2024, 15:15
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02 Oct 2024, 15:15#11

Pence is a decent man, who was shabbily treated. But I can’t recall many who thought he was an outstanding candidate for President.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
02 Oct 2024, 15:29
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02 Oct 2024, 15:29#12
Vance is a slick-talking investment broker. Walz appears to be a weakling. I never saw the debate, but did see one highlight when Vance said the rules were not to fact-check . 
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Oct 2024, 15:35
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02 Oct 2024, 15:35#13

If forced, I wo uld still take Walz over Harris

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 18:20
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02 Oct 2024, 18:20#14

I wil add one thing that I belive will be bothersome or am become so.   Vance is a brilliant guy and probable RP candidate in 2028.   He is a close friend of both Trump's two elder sons and may chose one of them as his VP candidate,   I do not like fsmily dynasties in a democratic country - like happened in Canada - where Trusdeau's mother after a tryst with Fidel Castro produced a son who is now the Prime Minister of Canada.

         

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2024, 18:22
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02 Oct 2024, 18:22#15

DA

Sure - but who has closer ties with China - Harris or Walz?   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Oct 2024, 20:35
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02 Oct 2024, 20:35#16

"Vance is a slick-talking investment broker. Walz appears to be a weakling. I never saw the debate, but did see one highlight when Vance said the rules were not to fact-check. "

Indeed...not presidential m aterial at all...wht the hell did she pick him?



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
02 Oct 2024, 20:44
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02 Oct 2024, 20:44#17

Indeed...not presidential. Material at all...wht the hell did she pick him?

Maybe cause he's still better than her I have never in my life seen a woman more devoid of any genuine emotion or authenticity than Kamala Harris. She is a living, breathing piece of fakery.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Oct 2024, 21:16
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02 Oct 2024, 21:16#18

"Maybe cause he's still better than her  I have never in my life seen a woman more devoid of any genuine emotion or authenticity than Kamala Harris. She is a living, breathing piece of fakery."

...yet there are many who are quite hapy to ignore that because of TDS...anybody but Trump...even Barabbas...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2024, 03:05
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03 Oct 2024, 03:05#19

In Harris case for SB specifically with his tedious commets only.   Who was the last bed-partner the shrew used to nehnce her poitical career - her ambition always was to screw her way to the top like she did in California.

The stats now coming out from the leftist media rminds me of the similar opinion poll stats in 2016 when Clinton was given winning in 45 of te US states,   It  is used for 2 purposes - the one is or enahncement of enthusism of te dead heads supporting Harris and or to cover for poential election fraud.

Be is as it may the dumb idiot Harris is not a Presidnts arsehole or perhaps she is.accounting for the enthusiasm the Russian, Chinese and Iran Governments support her candidacy,

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Oct 2024, 07:38
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03 Oct 2024, 07:38#20
"Draw....there was no knockout punch." Hahahaha...explains why Denise thinks she has her head above water on here.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Oct 2024, 11:11
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03 Oct 2024, 11:11#21

"In a bizarre post-debate analysis, Politico magazine has looked into the supposed significance of J.D. Vance’s facial hair.


After Vance gave his fellow vice-presidential nominee Tim Walz during Tuesday night’s vice-presidential debate, Politico sought to dissect the candidate’s body language, including their physical features.

The piece, written by body language expert Joe Navarro, explains:

One of the first bits of nonverbal communication to appear in the debate was on JD Vance’s face: his beard. As POLITICO Magazine has noted before, Vance is the first White House wannabe to wear facial hair in 80 years. Our appearance is fundamental to our body language, and research indicates that voters see beards as (surprise, surprise) more masculine."
LOL!!!
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Oct 2024, 11:55
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03 Oct 2024, 11:55#22

Yeah unfortunately it appears Kamala read that article and has made some changes to her public persona.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Oct 2024, 12:06
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03 Oct 2024, 12:06#23

Doner Pakie, nou slaap ek nie vanaand nie!!!

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
03 Oct 2024, 21:32
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03 Oct 2024, 21:32#24

That makes her look like a Muslim werewolf

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Oct 2024, 21:49
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03 Oct 2024, 21:49#25

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/03/jd-vance-anti-democracy-movement-leader

JD Vance is the handpicked leader of the anti-democracy movement in the USRobert Reich

Rightwing tech lords are betting that Vance will be the Republican presidential pick in 2028. They’re probably right

Thu 3 Oct 2024 11.00 BST


JD Vance, the Republican candidate for vice-president, will almost certainly be the Republican presidential candidate in 2028, regardless of whether Donald Trump wins in November.

But who is JD Vance, really? An opportunist chameleon who once viewed Donald Trump as “Hitler” and is now his pit bull?

Or does Vance have an agenda over and above mere political ambition?


In one of the most important exchanges of Tuesday’s vice-presidential debate, Vance refused to say that the former president lost the 2020 election, and he downplayed the violent events of January 6. Vance also declined to rule out challenging the outcome of the upcoming election even if votes were certified by every state leader as legitimate.

Trump picked Vance as his running mate because Vance publicly stated he’d do what Mike Pence refused to do – overturn democracy and place the US under Maga control.

In response to a question ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Vance last February – “Had you been vice-president on January 6th, would you have certified the election results?” – Vance said: “If I had been vice-president, I would have told the states, like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and so many others, that we needed to have multiple slates of electors, and I think the US Congress should have fought over it from there.”

In 2020, Vance alleged that the 2020 election was stolen and that Biden’s immigration policy meant “more Democrat voters pouring into this country”. In 2022, he suggested that Democrats were attempting to “transform the electorate” amid an immigrant “invasion”.

In contrast to Trump ... Vance does have an ideology. He’s the emerging leader of the anti-democracy movement in the US

Echoing the so-called “great replacement theory”, Vance told voters, “You’re talking about a shift in the democratic makeup of this country that would mean we never win, meaning Republicans would never win a national election in this country ever again.”

In contrast to Trump, who has no ideology except accumulating power and wealth for himself and taking revenge on those who would deny these to him, Vance does have an ideology. He’s the emerging leader of the anti-democracy movement in the US.

Vance would never have become a senator from Ohio in 2022 were it not for the billionaire tech financier Peter Thiel, who staked $15m on Vance’s election – a major portion of all the funds that went into Vance’s race.

Thiel knew what he was buying. Vance had worked for Thiel’s California venture capital firm before running for the Senate and was part of Thiel’s libertarian community of rich crypto bros, tech executives, back-to-the-landers and disaffected far-right intellectuals.

Because Thiel had been a major funder of Trump’s 2016 presidential run, he had significant influence with Trump when urging him to pick Vance for his vice-president.

Why has Thiel been such a strong sponsor of Vance? Because Thiel sees in his protege a future leader of a political movement to turn the US away from democracy. “For Peter,” said one of the people familiar with his thinking, “Vance is a generational bet.”

Thiel is a self-styled libertarian who once wrote: “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”

Hello? Freedom is incompatible with democracy only if you view democracy as a potential constraint on your wealth and power.hat’s the point. Thiel and Vance – along with Elon Musk, Steve Bannon, Blake Masters, tech entrepreneur David Sacks, Palantir co-founder Joe Lonsdale, Palantir adviser Jacob Helberg, Sequoia Capital’s Doug Leone, blogger Curtis Yarvin, and others in the anti-democracy movement – believe that the only way true libertarians can win in the US is for a Caesar-like figure to wrest power from the US establishment and install a monarchical regime, run like a startup.

Yarvin comes as close as anyone as being the intellectual godfather of the anti-democracy movement. He has written that real political power in the United States is held by a liberal amalgam of universities and the mainstream press, whose commitment to equality and justice is eroding social order.

In Yarvin’s view, democratic governments are inefficient and wasteful; they should be replaced with sovereign joint-stock corporations whose major “shareholders” select an executive with total power, who serves at their pleasure. Yarvin refers to the city-state of Singapore as an example of a successful authoritarian regime.

How to achieve Yarvin’s vision? The first step, as Vance offered in a 2021 podcast, is to replace “every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state … with our people. And when the courts stop you, stand before the country, and say” – as did Andrew Jackson – that “the chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.”

Vance has been anointed by Thiel and the rest of the anti-democracy movement as the post-Trump president, tasked with replacing the US establishment with an authoritarian regime.

Make no mistake: the foundation for the US’s first anti-democracy president is being laid right now.

  • Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is a professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good. His newest book, The System: Who Rigged It, How We Fix It, is out now. He is a Guardian US columnist. His newsletter is at robertreich.substack.com


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Oct 2024, 02:41
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04 Oct 2024, 02:41#26

Geez no Blob, not the dwarf again!

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Oct 2024, 02:57
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04 Oct 2024, 02:57#27

Get off the fence Mozart ............................

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Oct 2024, 03:13
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04 Oct 2024, 03:13#28

Only sensible place to be Blob. There’s room available,

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Oct 2024, 05:11
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04 Oct 2024, 05:11#29

Nooit. If it affected the US only, then mebbe ................. but Cult Trump, with a MAGA/ Project25  white christo-fascist  authoritarian government, as leaders of the free world ?

Catastrophic.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Oct 2024, 15:00
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04 Oct 2024, 15:00#30

Blob I’ll give you the response Vance gave in the debate….did any of these terrible things happen in the last Trump Presidency. Nope, in fact African American employment improved to record levels. Trump is a New Yorker born and bred ….not from Alibama. 

He is, however, way too old and is actions on January 6 should have denied him the Republican ticket. That never happened. So now we have a choice between a flawed Trump and a horribly out of her depth Harris.

If there is a nuclear crisis and the generals want to bomb as they always do in the movies, I have far more faith that Trump would have the confidence to shut them down….Harris is a puppet on a string,


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