Wonder what country it was ? given the narrative spewed out today in our media??
Makes you think doesn't it?
7 years ago, 9 years ago, 5 years ago
Pro2,680 posts
13 Apr 2023, 16:59
#1
13 Apr 2023, 16:59#1
Videos taken, 5 years ago, 7 years ago and 9 years ago.
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Pro2,680 posts
13 Apr 2023, 18:01
#2
13 Apr 2023, 18:01#2
The birth pangs of Fascism:
In November 1923 in a Beer Hall in Munich a uprising took place (the Putsch). Hitler and Ludendorff were arrested for treason and incarcerated but later set free. Hitler started writing Mein Kamp ff whilst in prison.
Meanwhile in Italy Mussolini was rising to power. Hitler took inspiration from him.
Initially these uprisings seemed relatively minor but we should know what happened next.
Indeed, a little leaven leavens the whole lump!
Watching the above videos one cannot ignore the ringing of alarm bells.
Captain10,129 posts
13 Apr 2023, 18:56
#3
13 Apr 2023, 18:56#3
Slavi Ukrani.
Captain10,129 posts
13 Apr 2023, 23:54
#4
13 Apr 2023, 23:54#4
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R06eKyzJI7s
Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2023, 07:14
#5
14 Apr 2023, 07:14#5
The Institute for the Study of War published an assessment a few days back of a systematic campaign of religious persecution in Ukraine by Russia.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-9-2023
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-9-2023
Coach57,555 posts
14 Apr 2023, 08:20
#6
14 Apr 2023, 08:20#6
What else is new? Half of the propaganda BS on site contradicts itself. Now Russia is oppressing religion after previously stating that the Russian Orthodox Church support the ar in Ukraine and the mantra was religion is an abomination.
Then Zelenskyy banned the functioning of the Church in Ukraine because they support Russia - the flimsy excuse being that any potential opposition to the Fascist Regime in Kiev is pro-Russian.
Anybody on site who support the idea of a peaceful settlement in Ukraine in accordance with the Minsk agreement is pro-Putin. The amount of propaganda BS promoting the war in Ukraine is amazing.
Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2023, 10:14
#7
14 Apr 2023, 10:14#7
Now Russia is oppressing religion after previously stating that the Russian Orthodox Church support the ar in Ukraine and the mantra was religion is an abomination.
In previous posts we where talking about the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, not the Russian Orthodox Church (who do support the war in Ukraine by the way).
I never called religion an abomination, although admittedly I'm no fan of them.
Then Zelenskyy banned the functioning of the Church in Ukraine because they support Russia - the flimsy excuse being that any potential opposition to the Fascist Regime in Kiev is pro-Russian.
More of the typical Mike misrepresentations. Zelenskyy proposed a bill back back in December banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church which before the war came under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church. Now since the war began the Ukrainian Orthodox Church claims to have cut ties with the ROC but its unclear to what extent that is true.
This followed allegations that the UOC was promoting pro Russian justifications for the war and in some cases UOC priests and clergy where acting as alleged agents of Russia conducting activities like artillery observation.
Mike of course completely omits the long established connection between the UOC and Russia.
Searching around, its also unclear whether the bill has actually gone into law. I did see just two days ago that two western regions of Ukraine banned the UOC and I think at least one other region had already done so earlier in the month. I'm not sure if these regions are using new legislation introduced by the Ukrainian government in the December 2022 bill or if they they where using powers they already had. Looks to me at least in the short term that the UOC is still operating in most of Ukraine.
Of course mike also parrots the Russian propaganda that the Ukrainian government is fascist and ensures he uses the Russian spelling of Kyiv. No doubt who's side Mike is on despite his hollow claims of impartiality.
Anybody on site who support the idea of a peaceful settlement in Ukraine in accordance with the Minsk agreement is pro-Putin.
Mike your idea of peaceful settlement is a nothing more than a transparent capitulation to Russian aggression, that and your repeated use of Russian propaganda narratives is why you are pro-Putin.
Minsk which is another thing you have also have a pushed a pro Russian narrative on is dead, Russian actions have seen to that.
The amount of propaganda BS promoting the war in Ukraine is amazing.
You mean propaganda BS the the Russian's used to justify the war, such as genocide in the Donbass, false flag attacks, Nazi's running Ukraine, bio-weapons labs etc?
Spin it however you like, Ukraine is fighting a defensive war forced upon it in order to preserve its culture and its right to exist as an independent sovereign state, Russia on the other hand is a fighting an unnecessary war of aggression in a neighboring state purely to fulfill one man's desire to re-establish a new Russian Empire.
In previous posts we where talking about the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, not the Russian Orthodox Church (who do support the war in Ukraine by the way).
I never called religion an abomination, although admittedly I'm no fan of them.
Then Zelenskyy banned the functioning of the Church in Ukraine because they support Russia - the flimsy excuse being that any potential opposition to the Fascist Regime in Kiev is pro-Russian.
More of the typical Mike misrepresentations. Zelenskyy proposed a bill back back in December banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church which before the war came under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the Russian Orthodox Church. Now since the war began the Ukrainian Orthodox Church claims to have cut ties with the ROC but its unclear to what extent that is true.
This followed allegations that the UOC was promoting pro Russian justifications for the war and in some cases UOC priests and clergy where acting as alleged agents of Russia conducting activities like artillery observation.
Mike of course completely omits the long established connection between the UOC and Russia.
Searching around, its also unclear whether the bill has actually gone into law. I did see just two days ago that two western regions of Ukraine banned the UOC and I think at least one other region had already done so earlier in the month. I'm not sure if these regions are using new legislation introduced by the Ukrainian government in the December 2022 bill or if they they where using powers they already had. Looks to me at least in the short term that the UOC is still operating in most of Ukraine.
Of course mike also parrots the Russian propaganda that the Ukrainian government is fascist and ensures he uses the Russian spelling of Kyiv. No doubt who's side Mike is on despite his hollow claims of impartiality.
Anybody on site who support the idea of a peaceful settlement in Ukraine in accordance with the Minsk agreement is pro-Putin.
Mike your idea of peaceful settlement is a nothing more than a transparent capitulation to Russian aggression, that and your repeated use of Russian propaganda narratives is why you are pro-Putin.
Minsk which is another thing you have also have a pushed a pro Russian narrative on is dead, Russian actions have seen to that.
The amount of propaganda BS promoting the war in Ukraine is amazing.
You mean propaganda BS the the Russian's used to justify the war, such as genocide in the Donbass, false flag attacks, Nazi's running Ukraine, bio-weapons labs etc?
Spin it however you like, Ukraine is fighting a defensive war forced upon it in order to preserve its culture and its right to exist as an independent sovereign state, Russia on the other hand is a fighting an unnecessary war of aggression in a neighboring state purely to fulfill one man's desire to re-establish a new Russian Empire.
Captain49,914 posts
14 Apr 2023, 12:30
#8
14 Apr 2023, 12:30#8
Spin it however you like, Ukraine is fighting a defensive war forced upon it in order to preserve its culture and its right to exist as an independent sovereign state, Russia on the other hand is a fighting an unnecessary war of aggression in a neighboring state purely to fulfill one man's desire to re-establish a new Russian Empire.
……
Spot on. I’d add that unnecessary war was started in the Covid recovery and did significant damage to a fragile world economy including the acceleration of inflation. It was a totally irresponsible act.
Captain10,129 posts
14 Apr 2023, 19:56
#9
14 Apr 2023, 19:56#9
,Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’
Winston S Ch urchill, 11 November 1947
Pro2,680 posts
14 Apr 2023, 21:48
#10
14 Apr 2023, 21:48#10
I wonder what some will say or do when the truth will be revealed.
You trust the media...I don't. Rather trust people who know the history, the context and who are experienced in these matters, have been there and done it in some way and who have nothing to gain by telling the truth. There are people like that, they are ostracised by they have courage.
I have wonder what the reactions on this forum will be if in the end you are wrong, will you have any humility to admit it or will you say nothing...maybe someone can save this...
https://youtu.be/PCIl5m82vk0
Pro4,532 posts
14 Apr 2023, 23:03
#11
14 Apr 2023, 23:03#11
I wonder what some will say or do when the truth will be revealed.
You have repeated this sentiment multiple time by now. Just what truth are you expecting to be revealed?
You trust the media...I don't. Rather trust people who know the history,
the context and who are experienced in these matters, have been there
and done it in some way and who have nothing to gain by telling the
truth. There are people like that, they are ostracised by they have
courage.
You're lying to yourself. You only trust people who have the same views as yourself, history, context, experience and the truth don't factor into your thinking. I get it though, you need the likes of Scott Ritter and Douglas Macgregor to offer you comfort from reality.
I have wonder what the reactions on this forum will be if in the end you are wrong, will you have any humility to admit it or will you say nothing...maybe someone can save this...
Wrong about what? The outcome of the war, or the justifications for it? What about yourself what if in end you turn out to be wrong?
Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2023, 00:05
#12
15 Apr 2023, 00:05#12
Ffs. Col McKlink !
This fella makes more sense
Pro1,973 posts
15 Apr 2023, 02:31
#13
15 Apr 2023, 02:31#13
Freedom of speech is tough in both Ukraine and Russia. These pro Ukro Nazi's hve never visited the area.
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