VisKop...dead cat bounce #2

So here we have ButtPlug quoting one religious person quoting another religious person to tell us religion is actually growing. 

https://www.wsj.com/news/author/clare-ansberry is quoted by Zero Hedge

Clare Ansberry is a Christian, so we can't consider anything she says to be objective about the decline of religion, and therefore scientific.

Click on this link to see Zero Hedge Reviews

Zero Hedge is a Christian misinformation group.
Either they are also duped themselves- or they are just Grifters...

This highlights the problem with dumb religious people. Instead of using credible sources, they search on Google trying to find support for what they believe.
Then they pass this misinformation around for other "believers"

Zero hedges are also linked to Putin - perhaps on his Payroll. 
People from the West that support Putin are all Christians. (Or corrupt grifters)

---- To learn more about ButtPlug and his religious belief, and reality - check out his last post

You can even buy this Book recommended by the Christian "Research Group"

https://www.springtideresearch.org/product/the-state-of-religion-young-people-2022-mental-health

This is the article that quoted the Christian fool 

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/surprising-surge-young-americans-turn-religion?ref=biztoc.com

It is a pyramid chain of fools regurgitating nonsense.
ButtPlug laps it all up

You're losing it Snarkhole.

Far right/ alt right is now the new label for everyone not toeing the line...libertarians have bocome the enemy of the Commie bots...Christians the witches to burn on the altar of the new secular religion...you have become what you despise. 

Posting here as the other thread is fucked.

Forgive me if I am being stupid but if 66.666% of 18-25 year olds are non religious surely that means Christianity is still declining if the non believers continue to be non believers through out their lives.

Currently Americans that identify as Christians sits at 63% so 33.333% is a far lower number coming through.

Would you care to explain to me how these numbers correspond to the number of believers to increase beyond 63% or are you claiming that the 8% increase will continue every year. If so can you show the data to support this.

A quick google suggests in 2000 80% identified as Christian so the trend over the last 22 years shows a rapid decline in numbers of believers and the increase of 8% in the 18-25 group is nowhere near enough to turn this around.

lol FishNuts

You failed to mention or rate the institute that actually did the study.

So here we have a case of 2x removed appeals to character.

When a murderer tells you that murder is bad, the murderer is a murderer so the information must be wrong, thus murder is good.

Why am I having to explain logical fallacies to a grown-up?

@Draad, show us liberals that support Putin. On this board alone, I can show you that "most" Christians support Putin.

Anytime there is a decent cause, the Christians always take the opposing view.

Your way is dying and mostly held by the old - and rural people. Everyone knows it, religion is on its way out. 

Anyway, my opinion is winning. Any credible research shows this.

@ButtPlug, you are a conspiracist. No doubt the by-product of religion. 

This whole thread proves you do not have a scientific bone in your body, you are a believer.
Then you selectively choose data to support your misinformed reality. 

It is little wonder that you thrive off each new conspiracy- but this highlights your mental confusion...

"Probably because you're a self-important and attention-seeking pseudo-intellectual trying very hard to sound clever when it's embarrassingly obvious you wouldn't recognise a logical fallacy if it slapped you hard through your stupid face . . . but that's just my guess . . . "

Says the guy for who I once posted a complete list of all the logical fallacies and who, if I recall, thanked me for doing so...

Rooi, you're both weak and boring. I can deal with one of those at a time but when you combine them, I simply don't have the wherewithal to care. 

But let' s tackle this quickly...

1) I posted an article that makes reference to a study.

2) Fishnuts misidentifies the article and I correct him with links.

3) FishNuts then claims that the information must be false because it is "One backward Christian quoting another" and never actually deals with the referenced study itself. This is his main departure for an argument against what the initial article I posted reports.

Now, Rooi...as you are so fond of calling everyone else a coward...man up for once in your meaningless existence and explain to me how FishBoy's vector of debate does NOT include a logical fallacy.

You have a habit of stacking yourself too heavily on one side of the board. 

Not toeing the line is not necessarily supporting Putin...war is evil regardless of who started it...nobody seems to be looking for some sort of solution to end it...

We have BSters on site that believe implicitly in the media they were brainwashed by and then claim it is based on science.   When a research project in the form of an opinion poll involved in the USA found real scientific issues that leads to 72% of the people being  unhappy about their present and future situation by 2050 was published on this site - they ignored the findings because the origin of the unhappiness was not to their liking.   

The media they believe in is propagating  a new approach and the people are feeling the effects of it.   The leftist media hates tradition and especially patriotism.    That has become the new "religion" they preach on site and expect thinking members to agree to it .   

Instead of accepting that people are free to think about their lives the braindead on site think they can prescribe to people what to think.   People are free to express their opinions on any matter - but for them any opposition to their BS spreading is unforgiveable.  

Their most hated person on site was Trump - now it is Putin.   After years of lies about  collusion of Trump and Putin in the 2016 election - carried by the media - they are now have Putin living freely in their minds.   Everything spouted by the media about what is really happening in Putin's mind is the new religion of the leftist media and they fall for the BS 100% of the time.  Unbelievable stupidity in evidence on their part.  

Viskop doesn't care, as long as he can hate the ugly, backward and stupid Christians...freedom is only for the "worthy"...burn the rest!!!

Draad, if Christians conducted themselves with basic morals and logic, I would not disrespect them. What I see are brainwashed people, incapable of thinking objectively.

Look no further than ButtPlug. He finds a religious person quoting other religious people - and then he instantly accepts this as the fact that religion is growing.

You lot are conspiracists.

In some ways, I pity you, for I do believe that if those had been able to avoid the brainwashing as a young children - they would not be religious.

You may see it as mocking religion, but as an anti-theist, I genuinely believe that the world in the modern era is better off without religion. I just see Christianity as a watered-down version of Islam.

When I see Christians supporting Putin, this confirms to me that religion is just wrong - it is evil. 

The comfortable world you live in was largely brought about by Christians...the same people who abolished slavery...you know not what you wish for.

Assumptions... Utter nonsense.

The comfortable world is the result of ancient Greeks and Romans (before Christianity).

Far too many grifters hiding behind religion. 
That is why the world went backwards into the dark ages, once Christianity spread as the main religion. 
Most of the people that pray on religious people are grifters

You're still a slave Rooi...and it ain't the Christians keeping you in shackles...

PS, who freed the slaves?

Ja Rooinek, jy vra dom vrae...and refuses to answes uncomfortable questions truthfully...stupid indeed...incredibly so.

 SB

I had to paste your above BS"-

"Draad, if Christians conducted themselves with basic morals and logic, I would not disrespect them. What I see are brainwashed people, incapable of thinking objectively.

Look no further than ButtPlug. He finds a religious person quoting other religious people - and then he instantly accepts this as the fact that religion is growing.

You lot are conspiracists.

In some ways, I pity you, for I do believe that if those had been able to avoid the brainwashing as a young children - they would not be religious.

You may see it as mocking religion, but as an anti-theist, I genuinely believe that the world in the modern era is better off without religion. I just see Christianity as a watered-down version of Islam.

When I see Christians supporting Putin, this confirms to me that religion is just wrong - it is evil." 

I have had serious laughter attacks after reading the above.   Comi.ng  from you - ability to think objectively by you - LMAO/     You lot are conspiracists   LMAO

Anybody on  site supporting negotiated peace in Ukraine  must be supporting Putin.   LMAO

Outside of the limited scope you have on issues it gets complicated by   what the media say s you must believe.   What an idiot/      

PS, who freed the slaves?

Mostly the slaves themselves. And certainly not the Christians as Christians.

Christianity failed during the lastest mass slavery episode. Big time.

While it is baseless to require from Christianity to condemn slavery, since Christianity promotes and condones slavery, certain behavious should have been made impossible.

One example: in order to keep slaves in line, potential leaders amongst slaves were spotted.

They were tied to a log or something bottom up in public. Then a homosexual forced an anal intercourse on the man to humiliate him publically and destroy the threat of uprising he may have conceived.

The reformed even made of the activity a trade. It was not rape since rape is a legal notion.

Quite often, globalists hide behind the scam of different times, different values, different mindsets, different this or that.

But Christians were christian. How this was not considered as buggery. It was not compatible with Christianity. Yet it happened under the guidance of Christians and performed by Christians. Sometimes on other Christians.

But nothing in store. It is ignored willingfully.

What utter nonsense.

The previous post was not a request for confirmation.

But globalists cant prevent: nothing in store.

Your twisted hatred has made you the same as those whom you despise,  but you're so committed,  you don't realize it...just keep feeding the dragon until it consumes you...you've been tricked and you can't see it.

Anything on point maybe.

The point was how this behaviour could have existed in a christian society. Any opinion about it.

As to being the same, how so.

Not one of those who forced anal intercourse on slaves in order to prevent them from fighting for their freedom, not one of those who kicked the can and prefer to look the other way etc

Massive differences.

"Not one of those who forced anal intercourse on slaves in order to prevent them from fighting for their freedom,"

What horse sh!t...stop projecting your gay fantasies on Christians...any person participating in sodomizing anyone is no Christian at all...

"Bit ironic given that your Jesus was probably gay."

I thought he did not exist? ...make ip your mind Ruehole....

Where did I ever say Jesus did not exist, chump?

Come on then smartypants, go find a post of mine where I ever said Jesus didn't exist.

There is some historical evidence that Jesus lived. I just don't buy into the stuff about him being the son of god, born from a virgin, turning water into wine, dying for my sins and then rising from the dead or any of that other supernatural nonsense.

There are plenty of good reasons to think Jesus may have been gay. He was in his thirties and had never married or even slept with a woman that we know of., he only ever hung around with other men and by all accounts he was a very . . . .ummm . . . gentle person.

Of course, there's also the mystery of what he got up to on his last day as a mortal on this earth, running around the Garden of Gethsemane with a "certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body", stopping every now and then to check if his disciples were still where he left them and not following him . . . Mark 14:51,52. I've raised this question before and the bible-bashers all ran away as fast as their little legs could carry them.

Either way, whether he was gay or not, I've never once said he never existed so off you go Squeaky Toy, go find an instance where I said otherwise . . . or admit that you're a stinking liar.

What horse sh!t...stop projecting your gay fantasies on Christians...any person participating in sodomizing anyone is no Christian at all...

Nice cancellation of people.

So the torturer was not a Christian.

Slaves being converted, the slave was also no christian at all. Noticeably, since the effort was aimed at breaking people, it could come with suicide. Double penalty for the dude, hell during life time and hell during the afterlife.

The owner who hired the torturer was no christian at all.

The public who watched the public sentence was also no christian.

The christian authorities who knew were not christian.

Nice cancellation. Cancel culture is only bad when people do it. When people do it, it is good.

Tradhole...that might have happened in one or other sh!thole, but it surely wasn't the norm in most Christian countries...the evil Christians also eradicated cannibalism in most of the modern world...stop your slave mentality...slavery was ended in most of the Western world close to 200 years ago...time to get rid of the chip.

What a lack of answer. Nothing in store.

Hard to see what cannibalism has to do with the issue at hand.

No, it did not happen in shithole or something. It happened in places that were considered as jewels of the crown and was considered a way to keep slaves in line, that is to prevent them from uprising so they won their enfranchisement.

Christianity failed big time during the last episode of slavery. Not only christianity had nothing to do with the end of it but it was instrumental in its reintroduction.

Such a convoluted relationship to the past. Always rewriting everything.

Christians claimed that they were instrumental in the banning of slavery when in fact they were instrumental in its reintroduction.

Before the rise of liberalism, in Europe, the issue of slavery was diverse. There was slavery(or more exactly people held to services since ancient times legality did not know the term slavery but had the service one) in the South of Italy, in Scandinavia and Eastern Europe.

No place that were influential in the rise of liberalism.

Now, the kingdom of England had banned slavery since the 1200s. The kingdom of France is a worse case scenario: due to the legacy of the Franks, the founders of the kingdom, no one should have been held to services in France, France was a sanctuary against slavery.

Quite often, when pointed out, both liberals and Christians agree that the outcome was the result of Christianity, a narrative that dismissed the reformation.

The reformation happened at the same time as the reintroduction of slavery in European nations that had banned it.

And the reformation was a review on Christianity that came to the conclusion that Christianity as it was practised in Europe was tainted by local traditions that did not belong to the Bible.

As the reformed reflected on slavery, they confirmed that slavery could not be opposed from a Christian point of view (in this regard, Quakerism was considered a Christian heresy)

And the reformed were supportive of the reintroduction of slavery in Europe.

So no, the western world has not banned slavery for 200 years. In different places in Europe, slavery had been banned for like a thousand years.

Not only Christianity had nothing to do with the ban that happened one thousand years ago but Christianity provided a moral endorsement to its reintroduction and was a driving force to it.

Liberalism is compatible with slavery. Christianity is compatible with slavery.