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While some posters continue to swallow lies and regurgitate them in unsavoury manner ...

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 May 2023, 15:27
#1
26 May 2023, 15:27#1

nato supplied weapons are targeting civilian structures, schools, hospitals, flats and places where there are known, no military...children and elderly are being killed and maimed with long distance missiles. Satan's spawn.


Meanwhile, the Russians are being effective in blowing up ammunition storage depots of nato supplied weapons and ammunitions regularly...a purposeful tactic.


MOSCOW, May 26. / Russian forces delivered a multiple strike by airborne long-range precision weapons against the Ukrainian army’s ammunition storage sites in the past day during the special military operation in Ukraine, Defense Ministry Spokesman Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov reported on Friday.

"Last night, the Russian Armed Forces delivered a multiple strike by airborne long-range high-precision weapons against the Ukrainian army’s ammunition storage sites. The goal of the strike was achieved. All the designated targets were hit," the spokesman said.

Russian forces destroy 35 Ukrainian troops, howitzer in Kupyansk area

Russian forces destroyed roughly 35 Ukrainian troops and a howitzer in the Kupyansk area in the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the Kupyansk direction, artillery of the western battlegroup struck the Ukrainian army units in areas near the settlements of Dvurechnaya and Kislovka in the Kharkov Region. In addition, the activity of two Ukrainian subversive/reconnaissance groups was thwarted near the settlements of Masyutovka and Ivanovka in the Kharkov Region. The enemy’s losses amounted to 35 Ukrainian personnel, three motor vehicles and an Msta-B howitzer," the general reported.

Russian forces destroy over 60 Ukrainian troops in Krasny Liman area

Russian combat aircraft, artillery and heavy flamethrower systems destroyed over 60 Ukrainian troops, a motorized artillery system and two howitzers in the Krasny Liman area in the past day, Konashenkov reported.

In the Krasny Liman direction, army aviation and artillery of Russia’s battlegroup Center inflicted damage on the enemy units in areas near the settlements of Kuzmino in the Lugansk People’s Republic and Yampolovka in the Donetsk People’s Republic, the spokesman specified.

"Over 60 Ukrainian personnel, two armored combat vehicles, two pickup trucks, an Akatsiya motorized artillery system, and also D-20 and D-30 howitzers were destroyed in the past 24 hours," the general reported.

Russian forces destroy 190 Ukrainian troops in Donetsk area

Russian forces destroyed roughly 190 Ukrainian troops in the Donetsk area over the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the Donetsk direction, as many as 190 Ukrainian personnel, two armored combat vehicles, three pickup trucks and a D-30 howitzer were destroyed in the past 24 hours as a result of strikes by operational/tactical and army aviation, active operations by units and fire by artillery of the southern battlegroup," the spokesman said.

In the area of the settlement of Verkhnekamenskoye in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Russian forces obliterated an ammunition depot of the Ukrainian army’s 54th mechanized brigade, the general specified.

Kiev suffers over 120 casualties in southern Donetsk, Zaporozhye areas

Russian forces struck Ukrainian army units in the southern Donetsk and Zaporozhye areas, killing and wounding over 120 enemy troops in the past day, Konashenkov reported.

In the southern Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, aircraft and artillery of Russia’s battlegroup East inflicted damage on the enemy units in areas near the settlements of Orekhov and Malaya Tokmachka in the Zaporozhye Region and Novosyolka in the Lugansk People’s Republic, the spokesman specified.

"The enemy’s losses in those directions in the past 24 hours amounted to over 120 Ukrainian personnel killed and wounded and four motor vehicles," the general reported.

Russian forces wipe out 30 Ukrainian troops in Kherson area

Russian forces destroyed about 30 Ukrainian troops in the Kherson area over the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the Kherson direction, as many as 30 Ukrainian personnel, five motor vehicles, a D-30 howitzer and an Akatsiya motorized artillery system were destroyed in the past 24 hours as a result of damage inflicted by firepower," the spokesman said.

Russian forces wipe out Ukrainian air defense radar in Nikolayev Region

Russian forces destroyed a Ukrainian air defense radar in the Nikolayev Region over the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"In the area of the settlement of Novonikolayevka in the Nikolayev Region, a Ukrainian ST-68UM low-altitude target detection and tracking radar was destroyed," the spokesman said.

During the last 24-hour period, operational/tactical and army aviation and artillery of the Russian group of forces struck 78 Ukrainian artillery units at firing positions, manpower and military hardware in 92 areas, the general reported.

Russian air defenses intercept two Storm Shadow cruise missiles

Russian air defense forces intercepted a Grom-2 ballistic missile, two Storm Shadow cruise missiles and shot down 20 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles over the past day, Konashenkov reported.

"Air defense capabilities intercepted a Grom-2 operational/tactical missile, ten rockets of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system and two Storm Shadow long-range cruise missiles," the spokesman said.

During the last 24-hour period, Russian air defense systems destroyed 20 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in areas near the settlements of Olshana in the Kharkov Region, Zolotaryovka and Nikolayevka in the Lugansk People’s Republic, Artyomovsk in the Donetsk People’s Republic, Golaya Pristan and Velikaya Lepetikha in the Kherson Region, Komsomolskoye and Tokmak in the Zaporozhye Region, the general reported.

In total, the Russian Armed Forces have destroyed 429 Ukrainian warplanes, 235 combat helicopters, 4,341 unmanned aerial vehicles, 424 surface-to-air missile systems, 9,302 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,100 multiple rocket launchers, 4,908 field artillery guns and mortars and 10,464 special military motor vehicles since the beginning of the special military operation in Ukraine, Konashenkov reported.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 May 2023, 15:53
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26 May 2023, 15:53#2

A.K.A... Russia are angels says Russian state owned news station. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,200 posts
26 May 2023, 16:26
#3
26 May 2023, 16:26#3

It's possible to regurgitate lies in a savoury manner.

Straight from the horse's mouth...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 May 2023, 16:52
#4
26 May 2023, 16:52#4

I do not believe the news from both sides - both are claiming victory.  The only thing is that the Ukraine army is not very successful in areas where battles are occurring.   Bakmut is just one example.

When it comes to soldier losses it appears that the figures of both sides are inflated by the authorities involved.     

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 May 2023, 17:22
#5
26 May 2023, 17:22#5

There a no "angels" in battle, neither do you win wars with words and propaganda, only results on the battlefield.

The reality is what is happening in the flesh and on the ground, not in the deceiving media. Those who trust media are fools. Believe all the lies you like, you will look more stupid than you really are with results that matter.

Rather believe war-hardened veterans who speak with proven authority. Don't worry, Russia has the situation well in control.

F16's will make scant difference...they'll be destroyed. It takes at least 15 months, for new pilots to learn to be combat effective, it needs 4 hours maintenance after 1 hour of flying, it needs special airfields...Russia will know where if they now start extending them...a lot of them will be destroyed before they even take off. Just wait and see.

The war mongers are disgusting.


 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
26 May 2023, 18:07
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26 May 2023, 18:07#6

There a no "angels" in battle, neither do you win wars with words and propagandaonly results on the battlefield.

And Russia's results have been piss poor.

The reality is what is happening in the flesh not in the deceiving media. Those who trust media are fools.

You have no appreciation of reality. You just find the people saying the things you want to believe and then try to pass that off as the truth to us. 

Rather believe war-hardened veterans who speak with proven authority.

They have no authority. Look at their track record when it comes to their predictions.

Don't worry, Russia has the situation well in control.

Just LOL.

F16's will make scant difference...they'll be destroyed. It takes at least 15 months, for new pilots to learn to be combat effective, it needs 4 hours maintenance after 1 hour of flying, it needs special airfields...Russia will know where if they now start extending them...a lot of them will be destroyed before they even take off. Just wait and see.

Thanks for that in-depth assessment Clausewitz but care to explain why Russia with its overwhelming superiority in numbers of combat aircraft  as after 15 months of war been unable to neutralize the Ukrainian airforce which fly's less advanced aircraft than the F-16.

The war mongers are disgusting.

Indeed. Shame you don't realise you are one.

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 May 2023, 18:24
#7
26 May 2023, 18:24#7

Statementing each statement and answering them if you a expert, is no answer.

Tell me, without googling what the Minsk 1 and 2 agreements said?

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SebPro2,680 posts
26 May 2023, 19:21
#8
26 May 2023, 19:21#8

You cannot because you really don't care a shit.

You spout as an expert on everything...that is your operandi.

You are are not a true Irishman, at least the Irish that I knew and met. I have Irish descendancy from Cork, and I'm proud of that. I loved Ireland when I visited it, their friendly and warm people, volatile yes, like me, but great human people, far apart from new world people.

My Irish side of family has proud history of descendants of war decorated WW1, doctors, medical specialists and even well known singers as Chris De Burgh to whom I am distantly related too. And I can throw in a rugby Springbok as well, Clifford Atherton Riordan who played for the Springboks against the Br Isles in 1910 and who was decorated in WW1 in Dardanelles, also an old SACS boy like my brother and I was before we proceeded to Maritzburg College in Natal.

We differ thats ok , I don't want to fight with you, you are young and still have to learn fr om youth upwards...we all do.

We are all in Gods hands, with all our faults and we learn only when we submit and surrender to the greatest force and that's God loves us with all our sins and iniquities. 


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
26 May 2023, 20:36
#9
26 May 2023, 20:36#9

You're a drunk evil bent Christian, lower than sharkshit at the bottom of the ocean

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
27 May 2023, 02:49
#10
27 May 2023, 02:49#10

I stand in awe of you seb, never have I seen a post where someone describes himself so perfectly yet the poster is so stupid he can't  see he is describing himself to a T.

Either that or this is comedy gold at its best. (I'm going with stupid because every other post of yours support you being an idiot)

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 May 2023, 04:46
#11
27 May 2023, 04:46#11

Stav

I think the problem is that  the F16 story of Biden is a huge problem.   The idea apparently is to use F16 planes belonging to EU countries to undertake attacks in Ukraine is crazy stuff..   They cannot operate from Ukraine airports  and training Ukraine pilots will take at least 18 months.   

To use planes belonging to Germany and other NATO countries - based in those countries - to attacks in Ukraine and Russia will be the start of WW3.    In any event I doubt whether the EU countries will allow that to happen - they are all in election trouble already - and weak coalition Governments will inevitably collapse where they have not collapsed already and where they were already voted out of power.

Biden is a dementia sufferer and it is clear he does not know the implications of policies he is told  to implement.   There are bad people writing out policies for his  Administration and those policies are then implemented.   The US is not ready for WW3 and nether are their NATO allies so maybe there will be some sane people that would try to prevent WW3 - with its obvious  nuclear implications.   At least that is what I hope for.                   


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 May 2023, 04:46
#12
27 May 2023, 04:46#12

Stav

I think the problem is that  the F16 story of Biden is a huge problem.   The idea apparently is to use F16 planes belonging to EU countries to undertake attacks in Ukraine is crazy stuff..   They cannot operate from Ukraine airports  and training Ukraine pilots will take at least 18 months.   

To use planes belonging to Germany and other NATO countries - based in those countries - to attacks in Ukraine and Russia will be the start of WW3.    In any event I doubt whether the EU countries will allow that to happen - they are all in election trouble already - and weak coalition Governments will inevitably collapse where they have not collapsed already and where they were already voted out of power.

Biden is a dementia sufferer and it is clear he does not know the implications of policies he is told  to implement.   There are bad people writing out policies for his  Administration and those policies are then implemented.   The US is not ready for WW3 and nether are their NATO allies so maybe there will be some sane people that would try to prevent WW3 - with its obvious  nuclear implications.   At least that is what I hope for.                   


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SebPro2,680 posts
27 May 2023, 07:42
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27 May 2023, 07:42#13

Those filled with insane hatred for God , mockers of His Son, Christ and frenzied hatred for Russian nation calling others evil is a worrying concern, could be demon possession. The truth is not popular here.

 

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
27 May 2023, 08:04
#14
27 May 2023, 08:04#14

You got it wrong Seb, I don't hate your make believe friend.

I put your god right alongside Mickey Mouse and Spiderman, pointless to hate something that doesn't exist.

As for demonic possession bwahahahaha what a joke.

You are right about the truth not being popular though you get very upset anyone tries to tell you the truth, you are a man happy with his delusions .

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 May 2023, 09:26
#15
27 May 2023, 09:26#15

To use planes belonging to Germany and other NATO countries - based in those countries - to attacks in Ukraine and Russia will be the start of WW3.

Absolutely no one is suggesting that. Where ever your getting that from its nonsense


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 May 2023, 10:05
#16
27 May 2023, 10:05#16

Great posts Seb and Mike. 

Young StavAss hasn't got a clue about this war as he repeatedly demonstrates. I have real doubt about his being an Irisjmen and he is definitely not a Patriotic Irishmen. He isn't even vaguely  concerned that his country is being invaded

In addition then to supporting open borders he also supports the deadly man made climate change hoax. The dope is a brainwashed Globalist nutjob. 

It's telling that these buffoons take no note of the leaked Pentagon Papers that revealed that the Pentagon's assessment is that Russia is winning the war.

The Russia's are proving to be a lot smarter tactically, much superior in terms of weaponery and quantity of weapons and now have a far larger number of troops drawn from a far, far larger Patriotic Russian population willing to go make any sacrifice to see Mother Russia win

Meanwhile Germany is now officially in recession ater two quarters of negative growth. Protests are huge in Germany and are breaking out in various countries.

The European people don't want a war with Russia, their Globalists leaders apparently do.

The People are learning slowly but surely these Luciferian Globalists do not have the interests of the People at heart. 

Illigitimate, corrupt traitor and Sniffer in Chief Joe Biden and his Globalist handlers have succeeded in uniting most of the Workd against the West. They are succeeding in ending American hegemony. 

I saw on FOX someone at last asking why Biden and the Demorats supported Lula in the Brazilian election. Lulu is a convicted Marxist and fully aligned with China as now is almost all of South America.  So is Africa aligned with China, Russia and India. 81 odd countries want to join BRICS. Saudi Arabia and Iran want to join BRICS.

In terms of the Biden Regime's agenda of trying to destroy America this is an amazing achievement. Their other goal of dethroning the dollar is looking likely to be achieved.

Recall the words of Arch Globalist George Soros - America is the biggest impediment in establishing the NWO. NOTE how Soros via his Open Society pushes for open borders. Note how Soros spends millions getting activist DAs appointed in order to release criminals back into society and attack demonrat political opponents eg Bragg.

The breakdown of law and order, identity politucs, degenerate woke culture, the invasion, the bad economy, anti White rhetoric, hatred of the flag and constitution is all designed to  divide and weaken America, destroy it from within.

But a along came Donald Trump! Can this remarkable man be the instrument to save America from its domestic terrorists which are the Globalust Uniparty and its various affiliates. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 May 2023, 10:51
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27 May 2023, 10:51#17

Stav

Do you realize the implications of what Biden said?   Firstly - it will take about 18 months to properly training a Ukrainian to use the F16 and then we have the fact that in Ukraine there are few airports from where the plains can operate in Ukraine itself.    The chances of the F16's being destroyed  if stationed in Ukraine would be   extremely high.   So what are the alternatives?    

That the F16 owned by other countries would be sent to be stationed in Ukraine and losing the planes they paid for.    

So the only alternative would be to station the planes in another NATO country for attacking purposes in Ukraine.   In any event I do not think a single NATO country will be prepared to get directly involved in the  War in that way.

But then Biden is a dementia sufferer and does not understand the impact of his statements and hopefully in 18 month that idiot will be out of the WH before he starts WW3.         

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 May 2023, 12:46
#18
27 May 2023, 12:46#18

Exactly right Mike. Plus the Russians have the means to blow the F16s out of the Sky. 

I think in the end they intend to blame Ukraine for their defeat. They will say they did all they could to help Ukraine but Ukraine didn't fight to the last man or something daft like that.

Some people are wondering if NATO will break apart when Russia wins. We shall see what happens.

The best thing that could happen is Russia finishing off this war before year end. It will also be a massive blow to the Demonrats and the Corrupt Sniffer in Chief.

I see the GOP is beginning to ask questions about what are the goals for this war and other questions about funding. They need to up their game but it's a start. 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
27 May 2023, 13:16
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27 May 2023, 13:16#19

Do you realize the implications of what Biden said?   Firstly - it will take about 18 months to properly training a Ukrainian to use the F16

That's the standard time. An assessment by the US airforce indicates that some of the more experience and up to date Ukrainian pilots could be capable of flying the F-16 in 4 to 6 months.

Regardless of home long it takes to train the majority of Ukraine's pilots to fly the F-16 its worth it for Ukraine, as there is a strong possibility the war will still be going in 18 months time.

and then we have the fact that in Ukraine there are few airports from where the plains can operate in Ukraine itself.

I'm sure the F-16 requires considerable logistics but nothing that the Ukrainian's can't overcome given the resourcefulness they have shown throughout this war.

he chances of the F16's being destroyed  if stationed in Ukraine would be   extremely high.   So what are the alternatives? 

Then explain to me why the Russian's have not been able to destroy the much less capable Mig-29's the Ukrainian's have been flying. Are you telling me that Russian's simply don't know where the airfields and landing strips the Ukrainian's are currently operating from are. No the Russian's know, they just lack the capability of destroying them.

That the F16 owned by other countries would be sent to be stationed in Ukraine and losing the planes they paid for. 

The countries that will provide them are prepared to risk that.

So the only alternative would be to station the planes in another NATO country for attacking purposes in Ukraine.   In any event I do not think a single NATO country will be prepared to get directly involved in the  War in that way.

Again absolutely no one is suggesting that. It's nonsense to ever suggest it.

But then Biden is a dementia sufferer and does not understand the impact of his statements and hopefully in 18 month that idiot will be out of the WH before he starts WW3.       

Mike I hope some day your able to leave behind that fantasy world of conspiracies you leave in. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 May 2023, 13:42
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27 May 2023, 13:42#20

Ukrainian air power has been destroyed. Hence they now need to be supplied with the F16 4th generation fighter

All to no avail. It's just like the sending of a few tanks will have no impact on the war. 

StavASS is it not time you admit you are not Irish or that you are a nasty little Irish traitor. It's one or the other. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 May 2023, 14:01
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27 May 2023, 14:01#21

Stav

Don't be bluffed - Biden is a total dementia-suffering idiot with a group of itter ddiots in change in the Pentagon.   With those people you can be sure of a total disaster.    They know petty well Ukraine h as NO pilots capable to fly the    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 May 2023, 16:16
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27 May 2023, 16:16#22

I just follow the broad facts….for 15 months the second ranked military power has tried their best to put away the 15th ranked military power. And failed thus far. Embarrassing!

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
27 May 2023, 20:35
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27 May 2023, 20:35#23

Unsavoury?

This from a dronklap bent Christian Russian Bot cheering on the genocide in Ukraine

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
28 May 2023, 02:44
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28 May 2023, 02:44#24

So the number one military power ran away from Afganistan. My, my how quickly we favor to forget. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2023, 03:34
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28 May 2023, 03:34#25

Actually Russia is not the number one military power, but you’re right, Russia did run away from Afghanistan,

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
28 May 2023, 07:53
#26
28 May 2023, 07:53#26

Now he ducks the statement,haha

Only 3 countries have not seen a US military presence. 

Andorra, Bhutan, and Liechtenstein.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2023, 11:51
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28 May 2023, 11:51#27
It wasn’t a statement….it was a gotcha, that ended up getting you. Live with it.
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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
28 May 2023, 11:55
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28 May 2023, 11:55#28

So Mozzie, do u sing the Star spangled banner?

Do u stil think it's the land of the free and home of the brave? 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 May 2023, 17:11
#29
28 May 2023, 17:11#29

Poor Mozzzzquito losing another argument. 

Moonrover when America is governed by the likes of Trump/MAGA they are a blessing. When governed by Globali sts Marxists they are a curse. It's that simple. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 May 2023, 21:08
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28 May 2023, 21:08#30

I do sing the Star Spangled Banner….I enjoy hitting the high notes. No country is perfect, but the US has been a benign super power.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 May 2023, 01:52
#31
29 May 2023, 01:52#31

Mozart 

You are a joke - Russia withdrew in an orderly manor.   Would you call the US withdrawal anything bar a disastrous BS operation?   The US allies withdrew their people too - but in an orderly manner - while telling  the US Commanding Officer involved at the Kabul airport to F-OFF after they tried to meddle in their own programs.   I think from what actually happened the US Allies armed personnel lost whatever respect they have had for the USA army leadership quickly enough.    How many terrorists did Bide import into the USA - while leaving US Citizens and people who worked for years with the USA  behind to be tortured and murdered by the Taliban.   

Then the US paid a ransom of $67 million to the Taliban to let some people leave the country.    They called it food-aid- but why provide that when the Taliban is the deadly enemy of the USA.     

LMAO

         


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 May 2023, 02:56
#32
29 May 2023, 02:56#32

As usual you can’t put two and two together to make four. Nobody said the US withdrawal was orderly. It was a mess, for which Biden is held accountable by many. But it hasn’t caused any great breakdown in the US institutions.

The US invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11 and tried to establish democratic government. When  it was clear that was a non starter they withdrew. It was embarrassing. 

The Soviet adventure in Afghanistan by contrast may have ended with a more orderly withdrawal, but then precipitated a chaotic collapse of the Soviet Union with plotters, suicides and tanks in Moscow. A whole different level of consequence. Read and learn:

‘ The breakdown of the Soviet Union surprised most scholars of international relations, comparative politics, and Soviet politics. Existing explanations attribute the breakdown of the Soviet Union to the reformist leadership of Gorbachev, and/or to systemic factors. These explanations do not focus on the key contribution of the war in Afghanistan. This is surprising since many scholars view wars as key causal factors in empire breakdown and regime change. We argue that the war in Afghanistan was a key factor, though not the only cause, in the breakdown of the Soviet Union. The war impacted Soviet politics in four reinforcing ways: (1) Perception effects: it changed the perceptions of leaders about the efficacy of using the military to hold the empire together and to intervene in foreign countries; (2) Military effects: it discredited the Red Army, created cleavage between the party and the military, and demonstrated that the Red Army was not invincible, which emboldened the non Russian republics to push for independence; (3) Legitimacy effects: it provided non-Russians with a common cause to demand independence since they viewed this war as a Russian war fought by non Russians against Afghans; and (4) Participation effects: it created new forms of political participation, started to transform the press/media before glasnost, initiated the first shots of glasnost, and created a significant mass of war veterans (Afghansti) who formed new civil organizations weakening the political hegemony of the communist party.’

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
29 May 2023, 09:01
#33
29 May 2023, 09:01#33

Both USSR and USA invasions of Afganistan were doomed from the start. No world power can defeat them in that terrain. 

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