It is still a hypothesis at this stage, as nothing has been proven.
However, this is looking like the strongest theory so far- at least according to WHO.
China's attitude towards the investigation has been uncooperative which does not reflect well on them.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/first-covid-carrier-probably-chinese-scientist-says-who-jh78fxx79
The Chinese Government will deny that the virus came from any laboratory or anybody working for the Government since the end result will be that the Chinese Government will lose all its assets throughout the world and the US and other countries owing to China will immediately be ceased to compensate the countries for the massive losses the countries suffered and the millions of lives lost.
It is a pity that the US now ahs a bribed servant of China suffering from dementia as President and he will take no action against China. This si where the situation rest. The WHO is hiding on behalf of China the fact that the virus stem from gain of function resarch done at the Wuhan laboratory - bu that does not hold water. Collecting bat droppings would not led to the jumping of the virus to humans without it be enhanced and changed from gan of function research. being involved. The fact is bats has been around for as long as humans has been and in millions of years it never happened before - why did it suddenly happen in Wuhan.
Another issue is that after the French Government warned the State Department of the laboratory issue, Biden closed down the State Department investigation and ask the Seuricty Establishment to investigate and report on the issue within 90 days. I think the 90 days have lapsed and there was not a word on the issue . Biden has gone to his house in Delaware and there is no indication when he would return. He is isolated from the world and no access to him is possible. Maybe the WH will now cover up the whole issue on instruction of President Xi and the issue will be dead and buried.
I would assume that the Republican Senators and House members will raise this issue soon in in Congress and members may wonder what mechanism they would use to get to the bottom of it. The Democrats will likely use their normal excuse - it is all Trump's fault, which is of course a lie. Bet is the Democrats will do nothing about the hole issue.
Great to hear the WHO finally caught up to what many of us could have told them from the start. The lab hypothesis is/was never a conspiracy theory but simply a clear possibility for the origin of the virus.
One(not MSM brainwashed) didn't need any further information than knowing what the name of the lab was and where the virus originated from.
VisKop...wanna give us another lecture on conspiracies?
I would rather WHO provide the explanation than the far-conspiracist-right.
It has still not been proven, but I trust WHO to make an ongoing objective/scientific approach in the investigation.
Just jumping to the negative conclusion each time is not being smart. It is just taking the worst option each time.
When things started to get very suspicious was the "claim" that the first person infected was a virologist in Wuhan. That data point however needed to be validated, which I am sure the WHO wanted to prove or disprove this.
SB
No you are a fool of unheard level of foolishness. Th French Government informed the State Department nearly a year ago about the Lab problem and after Trump instructed the State Department to investigate the issue further in conjunction with oher Governments - eg - Australia.
China Joe shut down that investigation on instruction of Presidnt Xi. Leftists like you are normally brainwashed easily. You believe one can trust the WHO - they withheld critical info about the virus for months after the first outbreak and then when some doctors in China started wondering about it on the internet and then announced it in January 2020 only after all internet reports of 8 Chinese doctors alerting the world, suddenly were cancelled n the internet and the doctors vanished from sight. The initial story of the WHO was the same as the China early statement as to the virus cannot be transferred on a human-to-human basis. The WHO is not going to veer an inch from the Chinese instruction and that Dr will soon also vanish froms ight.
Like China Joe the WHO will do nothing about the issue.
VisKop,
You want someone else to tell you what you could easily discern for yourself, even with your limited capacity.
Gotcha.
How is the lab hypothesis a "negative conclusion", Viskop?
I don't recall concluding anything.
Also, who jumped to a "negative conclusion"?
As I recall, I told you, on numerous occasions that BOTH options were a possibility and to be sceptical of anyone trying to play down either one...BECAUSE WITHOUT ACTUALLY KNOWING the answer, any steadfast opinion in either direction is suspicious, dubious, self-interested or nefarious.
See how I tried to keep you on the scientific straight & narrow?
See how you failed, despite my best efforts?
You we totally sold on the nature theory(because we know you love MSM so so sooo much) and thus anybody reminding you that the lab hypothesis was also still in play, was basically contradicting the bill of goods you'd been sold...and which you bought at a premium.
Now, are you able to admit that while shouting "SCIENCE SCIENCE SCIENCE!" at everyone, yours was the least scientific approach?
Need I remind you, SCIENCE is based on keeping an open mind until facts are presented, tested and corroborated?
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Aug 13, 2021, 18:06Need I remind you, SCIENCE is based on keeping an open mind until facts are presented, tested and corroborated?
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You made the decision right away, before facts were presented (e.g. the first person to be infected was a virologist).
Until then no one had ruled out other options, but the scientific consensus was that it was most likely natural. However, as more information became available- the mainstream viewpoint started to take the idea more seriously- (i.e man-made in a lab by accident).
While it may have been intentional, the consensus at this stage - that if it was made in a lab- it was accidental that it got out.
If you can only think emotionally, you cant think scientifically- no matter how many b-list movies on YouTube about science.
An open mind but an awareness of obvious facts….Covid breaks out right next to a lab studying bats viruses.
The other thing the world will become aware of is China is not a benign super power. The US is happy to do it’s own thing. China wants to dominate it’s sphere of influence, and as that sphere becomes larger it’s going to be exceedingly unpleasant.
The anti American Europeans are going to rue the day the cowboys left town.
Anti stupidity. Self deprecating then.
Stav
Sad to differ - but Biden is self-destructing because of the fact that he is under instruction from China - adequate evidence that he was bribed by them when Vice-President under Obama. His Chief Advisor in whom Biden has 100% confidence left he White House on Thursday. She at various times in he past praised Mao Zedung and that make her extremely suspect.. She left the Whitehouse to join another firm, but will continue to be Biden's advisor and confidante.
Biden cannot be trusted - he is controlled by the Big Tech and even connived with the Big Tech corporations for them to censor opposing views, while they remain platforms for Chinese and Iranian propaganda. Sorry - but the Europeans bought into a rotten apple insofar as Bi den is concerned.
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SB
Does this help you at all:-
JAMIE METZL - a member of the WHO : Just to be clear, the World Health Organization itself hasn’t been downplaying the likelihood of a lab incident origin. It was an international expert committee that was doing so. Actually, the director-general of the W.H.O has been pretty strong saying we have to examine all hypotheses. This international committee which in my view very shamefully announced in February of this year in a joint press event in China alongside their Chinese government counterparts that a lab incident origin was extremely unlikely, their words, it now turns out they were essentially lying.
That the leaders of this international committee actually believed a lab incident origin ranged from unlikely to likely but that they did a deal with their Chinese government counterparts who didn’t want to mention the lab incident origin at all. So the deal was well, we’ll mention this possibility and then we’ll say it is extremely unlikely and not call for a further investigation. So the leader of that independent expert committee has now essentially come clean."
The person who came lean was the one you quoted above.
So once again Trump is shown to be correct and poor frot vis sharktwit wrong. How history repeats itself. The stupidity of this b uffoon knows no limits.
Tedros is the head of WHO and is an Ethiopian Marxist.
That said I ask again where is the fully sequenced isolated sample of the Covid Virus?
Worldometer says 204 million have tested positive for Covid. How do they know this. They don't. The PCR TEST IS USELESS.
Visser
Let see if I got this;
Your version of the scientific process is believing one hypothesis over another, until your least favorite hypothesis offers enough evidence for you to switch stance. Until then, deride everything but your favorite.
No?
Ok then. Could we perhaps revisit your calling of the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory? Seems a tad biased, don't it?
This despite the obvious fact that, as Moz reiterated, the virus originated from the same location where the virus where being mutated and tested.
And now you know why the Appeal To Authority is on the list of logical fallacies.
Now, what was the cause of your latest blunder? Most of my money is on TDS and its very many psychological ramifications.
Also, I don't think you know what a "B Movie" is. I'll say this, they have fuck all to do with science...see Spacerantulla for details.
And I'll add, stop using phrases that you see in movies. It's doesn't make you look like the type of special that you think it does.
...perhaps do the same before shouting "science" at everyone. Particularly when you are apparently completely oblivious to and incapable of critical thinking.
It doesn't make you appear smart or middle-class. I know it sucks, big guy, but you'll always be a plank. No matter how many times you paint "SCIENCE" in caps on your broadest side.
Haha plank
ButtPlug, the conspiracist...
Democratic people assume innocence until there is enough evidence to suggest guilt.
Scientists had found no evidence of Covid being man-made, and therefore most "likely" natural in origin.
However, everyone still wanted an investigation by WHO in China, or any other scientific body. No one ruled out anything, it is evidence-based.
Just jumping to conclusions before the investigation is prejudice. (Stupid or/ and 3rd world stuff).
Once more evidence was gathered, the most likely cause was adjusted. (e.g. the "claim" the first person to get sick was a virologist in Wuhan).
A conspiracist may have made this up, so it needed to validate that it was true.
That is where conspiracists lose the plot totally. They just accept possibilities or false accusations as facts - and then build the argument on top of this. (Or their house of cards).
Only when WHO or other credible people confirmed this suspicion about the Chinese virologist, did it become more credible
There is no evidence (yet) that China released the virus on the world intentionally, but the far-right conspiracists will just assume this is a fact regardless.
The lab being in Wuhan is circumstantial evidence. Everyone made this observation, but perhaps Wuhan has lots of Covid bats, and this would be a logical place to base the operation of studying Covid viruses.
Standing alone this does not prove anything. Only when combined with other evidence, does it add any value as proof.
P-s I was being sarcastic about B-list Movies. You have a YouTube education, so I was saying that you can't think scientifically, you just want to predetermine facts.
Aah...so the Dems assumed the innocence of the people that got censored and banned from social media for saying the lab leak hypothesis must be more thoroughly investigated? That God Fauci might be wrong in his "I'm almost certain in came from nature assessment."
Aren't all opinions valid until fact disproves them? What am I missing here, Sussie?
In fact, even if somebody said that he was 99% sure it came from a lab...according to your new presumption of innocence' stance, that person should have been allowed full access to and use of their platform, until such time as evidence of the natural occurrence hypothesis surfaced and was confirmed.
I didn't see any censoring of people promoting the natural occurrence hypothesis, did you?
That's the side of this that you have to deal with, Viskop.
haha you plank!!!!!!
Ooooh, now I get it.
Me reminding you that both options were possible, meant that I had jumped to a conclusion as to Covid's origin. In other words, you're illiterate.
And this(People that get blocked from social media are rednecks like you and Beeno.) is just patently untrue. Would you like a list?
Can I just ask, is the lab leak hypothesis still a conspiracy theory or have you c hanged your mind?
Any civilized person wanted the WHO investigation to determine how this virus came about. Not just to determine blame, but to try to make sure it does not happen again.
If the WHO concludes that it was China who made this virus and lied about it- then more serious sanctions can be placed against China.
No conspiracists making accusations on social media without facts. These are the people that get banned- and many of them believe it was not a lab leak- but China creating a biological weapon.
The process needs to be professional before any sanctions are considered.
If there is another virus from China, they need to be banned by the international community from entering countries to avoid them spreading it around the world.
Until then, it is just speculating without facts and making accusations that are not based on evidence .
Yoiu can have no hope of getting the answer from the Chinese controlled WHO oon that issue and Faucci knew that of he admitted that the virus came from the Lab -and was manufactured he will spent the rest of his lying life in jail.
This is sure as hell going to be be covered up - especially by the USA while the benighted and corrupt China Joe is President. After promising the people of the USA that the vaccine is full proof and they can return to the normal way of life - Biden is now in serious trouble because of a stuttering vaccine program that would have worked perfectly of Trump was still President and th matter was not politicized by the Democrats. If Trump mishandled the pandemic - Biden is causing more shit than Trump ever could have managed to do in handling of the Chinese virus. Biden really turn anything he touch into shit.