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Why are political prisoners kept in jai by the Democrats in the USA?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Apr 2022, 06:25
#1
16 Apr 2022, 06:25#1

Retired Judge Neapolitano - in general a supporter of the Democratic Party and nowadays a  commentator of Fox news and a constant critic of Trump - has now come out and criticized the Democrats for keeping people arrested during and after the January 6 incident in jail without the option of bail for 15 months.   That is a  situation he called the Gulag in the USA.  

There was no chance that these people would not be tracable in the case of not turning up for a court hearing if they ever get charged.

Another disastrous situation is that the Justice Department in a few charges claimed that the protestors threatened the life of Harris and Pence when neither was in the Capitol when the protestors entered it illegally and the charges stemming from the House Committee investigating the case were laid with a Judge in California - where none of the protestors come from.      The latter House Committee was appointed as a Democrat-led farce.   When he House agreed to form the Committee the situation was that the membership would be as follows:-

*     The Chairman  would be appointed by the Democrats

*     Each of the Democrats and Republicans will appoint 3 members to the Committee.

Pelosi vetoed the appointment on the above basis and decided herself that the representation should be 4 Democrats and 2 Republicans.   When the Republicans nominated two of their members with a legal background to serve on the Committee - she vetoed their nomination and herself selected two Republicans who were opposed to Trump as representatives.   The Committee became nothing more than a political witch hunt and none of their findings have any legal basis and is nothing more than a propaganda  vehicle for the Democrats in the upcoming midterm elections. 

Not a good  legal situation at all when it comes to freedom of the people and can be re garded as undermining of he US Constitution and a human rights violation,        .      

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
16 Apr 2022, 08:29
#2
16 Apr 2022, 08:29#2
You mean the criminals that vandalized, murdered and tried to overthrow a legitimate elect government?
Gee I wonder why 
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Apr 2022, 20:09
#3
16 Apr 2022, 20:09#3

"murdered"


???

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
16 Apr 2022, 21:18
#4
16 Apr 2022, 21:18#4

5 police officers died. One of them was crushed in the door by the mob. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Apr 2022, 23:56
#5
16 Apr 2022, 23:56#5

A real lie doing the round s again.    There was just one policeman killed by a vehicle potentially driven by a protestor .   Another died of a heart attack - when did the other 3 die?  

Just a thought -  there were 45 people murdered by the BLM and Antifa rioters, 13 of which were police officers  - during the riots in 2020 where more than 700 police officers  were seriously injured.     All the afore-mentioned were by BLM and Antifa paid for by the Democrats  and Soros  and carried out by criminals they recruited.   So what happened to the 1 500 arrests made for looting and arson with billions of dollars damages done- the looters could keep their ill-begotten gains and sold items over the internet.  

So what happened to the arrestees?   Less than 20 appeared in court - were found guilty and fined.  A subsidiary of the  Democratic Party paid the fines and that was it - the other arrestees was not charged at all and released without charges from the prisons where they were held.

In normal democracies people are allowed out on bail  for even serious charges.     Here was a case where the Biden Administration forbid release  after paying of bail for no reason whatsoever. and any opposing people are at serious risk.       

Well on the way to Concentration slave camps  for Re-education - China style  in the USA.   Suitable to describe the present political prisoners being a gulag method.   The gulags were slave camps under Stalin and Lenin.    The Chinese have the same system in place.   Thinking independently is a serious crime when making critical comments about the Government.                       

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Apr 2022, 23:59
#6
16 Apr 2022, 23:59#6

CF

About 600 unarmed people doing what you claim they did - the joke of the century no doubt.     

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Apr 2022, 08:48
#7
17 Apr 2022, 08:48#7
 Article
"Journalist Glenn Greenwald commented on Twitter that the claim of “‘almost 10 dead’ from the 1/6 riot is deceitful in the extreme. Four people died on 1/6: all Trump supporters.”
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Apr 2022, 08:59
#8
17 Apr 2022, 08:59#8

"5 police officers died. One of them was crushed in the door by the mob. '

Source please...I wasn't aware of this...I know one had a stroke and about 5 committed suicide in the aftermath, but wasn't aware of any murders.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Apr 2022, 11:20
#9
17 Apr 2022, 11:20#9

Draad

I saw on Foxnews about the death of one policemen killed by a vehicle driven by a possible protestor on Foxnews on 6 and 7 November.  They mentioned at the time there were three police-officers who died - but  reduced it to one killed as two died of natural causes,   I was wrong one of the three died blocks away when he had a stroke and he other from a heart attack, 

Why can people not be granted bail for 15 months  after the 6 January 2021 incident.   The fact is that the charges now raised are totally unrelated to reality.   For instance it was alleged that the rioters were threatening the life of Pence and Harris - but that is not real at all - since neither was in the Capitol at the time.    Look to me the real reason is to keep  the people in jail in an attempt to force them to give state evidence.

In the case of one newly charged person - the State appointed a lawyer to represent him and that lawyer did no interview with the Prisoner and did nothing to contest evidence provided y the State - while the Judge accused the accused from the bench on doing what he is accused of doing by the State.   Seems like a farce to me - hope whatever the judge come up wi th to be appealed.   .         

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SH
sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
17 Apr 2022, 14:17
#10
17 Apr 2022, 14:17#10
Many of them will go to jail permanently, where they belong. Many have already pleaded guilty and have received severe sentences . 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Apr 2022, 17:08
#11
17 Apr 2022, 17:08#11

For what they did in fact - total Bullshit.   Your ideas are in line with the idea of dictatorship with zero freedom of speech or independent thinking listening and adhering to any lies the fake media advocates.     A typical useful idiot if ever there was one.      

How many pleaded guilty and got severe sentences - what was he severe sentences anyway?      By the way I asked you a simple question about the 5 killings you said happened.   Where is your answer?

    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 09:14
#12
18 Apr 2022, 09:14#12

"Many of them will go to jail permanently, where they belong. Many have already pleaded guilty and have received severe sentences

Most od them don't belong in jail. It was a protest gone wrong, they damaged property and illegally entered the Capitol building...yes illegal, but a total overreaction by the government in prosecuting the perpetrators in comparison to the Antifa protests...the deliberate violence committed were miniscule in comparison and the death (murder) of Ashli Babbitt is a tragedy and the biggest shame of the day.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Apr 2022, 11:08
#13
18 Apr 2022, 11:08#13
Haha yes the rioters all acted with common purpose and, as a group, should get life sentences. Viskop not only demonstrating his complete lack of legal understanding but also his entirely illogical concept of causation. Causation being one of the simplest legal concepts for the lay person to understand. Most don’t even need it explained to them. Not simple enough for our very own simpleton though. It’s never simple enough…ever.
SH
sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Apr 2022, 12:41
#14
18 Apr 2022, 12:41#14

Redneck Lifes Matter (RLM) is no different to Black Lifes Matter (BLM).
Any protestors that were violent, looting or vandalising from both groups belong in jail. 

Their is no trying to justify either side of the argument.

Babbit was a fool and her death was insignificant. She was from a military background, so she knew the risks of storming the capitol. She was a Qanon nutter, so she had no relationship to reality. 


Just like the black person (Blake?) that got shot in the back when he tried to grab a weapon from within his car. His death was no loss. He was a fool trying to grab his weapon when armed police were telling him to put his hands up and be arrested.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2022, 13:27
#15
18 Apr 2022, 13:27#15

SB

Blake never died - he was wounded in the arm and is still living.   When you mention facts please check them out.     For o0ne thing - never quote anything from the fake media - they are 100% liars.  

Your hatred of anything moderate is amazing -\ your love for anarchists and extreme lefitst makes you a total bigot and a useful idiot for the left..   You believe all their BS and when proven that they lied you are too idiotic to realize what happened.  

By the way there never was a judicial  investigation done as to the death of Babbitt and the other people who died on the said day.   That is a routine process in all  such cases - so why was that not done?   Because it would have revealed what really happened and it would embarrass the corrupt Democrats badly.       

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
18 Apr 2022, 13:32
#16
18 Apr 2022, 13:32#16

"There is no trying to justify either side of the argument."

Well said......totally agree. I can see it, you can see it......you'd have to be blinkered, blind sighted and dumb not to see it.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 14:36
#17
18 Apr 2022, 14:36#17

"Babbit was a fool and her death was insignificant. She was from a military background, so she knew the risks of storming the capitol. She was a Qanon nutter, so she had no relationship to reality."

FUCK YOU ARSEHOLE!!! Her death was a tragedy and the coward who killed her deserves the electric chair....Watch the video of her death and tell me that  again...if George Floyd's death was an atrocity...which it was, hers was too...IMO much more so...only a low life POS like you can't distance yourself from the BS politics...people like Babbitt have kept the world a safer place since 1945...fools like you don't realize it...your ilk deserves a fckn war...FUCK YOU! 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 15:28
#18
18 Apr 2022, 15:28#18

 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 15:29
#19
18 Apr 2022, 15:29#19

She had it coming...nè? FUCK YOU!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2022, 15:58
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18 Apr 2022, 15:58#20

The whole thing was a mistake. Nobody thought they were going to overthrow the government. It was a protest with a symbolic occupation. But an all right group doesn’t have political permission from the media to go that far….so it was spun into a kind of Boston Tea Party incident.

Totally stupid because it played into the Left’s hands. Unfortunately the calculus has to take into account the media…the third rail in American politics.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2022, 15:58
#21
18 Apr 2022, 15:58#21

Gosh Draad….you’re off the fence!

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Apr 2022, 16:22
#22
18 Apr 2022, 16:22#22

I have no remorse for criminals who die while committing crimes.
Babbit deserved a bullet.
She was leading the charge, and the police had to protect the Capitol, and the politician's who were hiding nearby with their hands covering their heads. Once this shot went off, the battle turned in favour of the police. 

Black Lives Matter and Redneck Liv es Matter can only see their own perspective, totally blinkered by ideology. If the same situation happens in reverse, they have totally different perspectives. No consistency of morals. 





MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Apr 2022, 16:37
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18 Apr 2022, 16:37#23
It was excessive,  unnecessary ……and sad.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Apr 2022, 17:22
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18 Apr 2022, 17:22#24

Babbitt was part of the brainwashed mob of Trumpanzees who stormed the Capitol, hoping to overturn Bozo's humiliating defeat.

Babbitt was trying to get through a broken window of a barricaded door when she was shot by a Capitol police officer. What did she and her equally stupid accomplices think the police were going to do when the Capitol building was breached? Stand back and watch? Applaud? Anyone who thinks that can be called murder is probably stupid enough to have been part of the mob.

Babbitt was a public supporter of Qanon and a member of the Stop The Steal movement. Her tweet before she died was "Nothing can stop us....they can try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light....". A radicalized right wing nutter . . . like the pathetic losers who support her and call her death a murder.

Blame the fat, incompetent and conceited clown who incited so many stupid people to do something that stupid, but don't blame the policeman who was doing his job.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Apr 2022, 17:32
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18 Apr 2022, 17:32#25

Perhaps the Congressional Police should have been release into the country to deal with the BLM looting and setting fires.

Shooting criminals walking through broken windows and doors is no different to what this lady was doing when shot.

Sure would have been accepted by both sides of the political spectrum....

Maybe not I guess.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 17:38
#26
18 Apr 2022, 17:38#26

"It was excessive,  unnecessary ……and sad"

Netso...so sad, but the two tossers on here just can't  see the tragedy. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 17:44
#27
18 Apr 2022, 17:44#27

"...like the pathetic losers who support her and call her death a murder."

FUCK you too Rudehole...I don't support her, I see the tragedy in her death and yess, it's way closer to murder than what happened to George Floyd...both totally unnecessary and an overreach of lawenfrcement...Marikina pales in comparison. ...the fact that you can't see it or show compassion sais it all.

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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
18 Apr 2022, 18:00
#28
18 Apr 2022, 18:00#28

Sure Draad. If that was a black person, or a liberal white person that got shot- you would not show the same remorse because you are a hypocrite. 

You are not applying morals consistently, instead you only want to apply them to people you support. A moralising sanctimonious Charlton, basically a fake Christian..

What is tragic is that these simple people followed Trump, who played them for fools. Now their lives are ruined. 

Although as a judge recently told one of the convicted domestic terrorists from the Capitol riot, "Did you put your own trousers on this morning?. Did you shave and brush your own teeth? If so that proves you are an adult and responsible for your own actions" . 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 18:42
#29
18 Apr 2022, 18:42#29

Snarkhole, you're the pathetic fool being the hypocrite here...trying another cheap shot at Christianity when it wasn't even mentioned...you're a bigot and you know it...stop pretending you have some moral justification...you have none...

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Apr 2022, 19:25
#30
18 Apr 2022, 19:25#30
The Squeaky Toy demonstrating his poor upbringing again. Was it Mommy or Daddy who used the F word all the time, Squeaky?
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Apr 2022, 19:33
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18 Apr 2022, 19:33#31

"What is tragic is that these simple people followed Trump, who played them for fools. Now their lives are ruined. "

Exactly right, Sharkbok . . . simple  and easily manipulated people who swallowed all Bozo's lies about the "stolen" election . . . just because the conceited pig couldn't accept defeat . . . to the second weakest opponent in history!

Sad that people can be so naive and subservient . . . to the extent that it costs them their lives! Trumpanzee zealots like the Squeaky Toy, Baboon-ou and ou Maaik should probably count themselves lucky they don't live in the USA . . . because all three are brainwashed and stupid enough to have been a part of this thing.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2022, 20:32
#32
18 Apr 2022, 20:32#32
Rooinek and Sharkbok are the useful idiots on site.    They are normally totally fooled by the fake  media and believe all the BS spread by that brainwashing programs.    What they described is totally irrelevant to the legal issue and that is the fact that in normal democratic countries bail would have been paid and the people let out of prison.   In the  USA these people are held in jail as a further propaganda effort by the corrupt Biden Administration.   
Under the circumstances the insisting on refusing bail and not allowing people to get their own legal representation in trials and appointing dummies to represent them and refusing the dummies to interview the accused is unheard of in any legal system.     The problem is that the Democrats are trying to install a dictatorship in the USA  nd following the Chinese model  of handling political opposition to them.   
All indications are that the people of the USA are sick and tired of being led by criminals like Biden  and in just over 6 months the  USA will gt rid of the extreme leftist  mania and select reasonable and moderate people to govern the country -  the first persons they will get rid of is Biden and Harris  - both through mental incapacity and incompetence.   
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2022, 20:32
#33
18 Apr 2022, 20:32#33
Rooinek and Sharkbok are the useful idiots on site.    They are normally totally fooled by the fake  media and believe all the BS spread by that brainwashing programs.    What they described is totally irrelevant to the legal issue and that is the fact that in normal democratic countries bail would have been paid and the people let out of prison.   In the  USA these people are held in jail as a further propaganda effort by the corrupt Biden Administration.   
Under the circumstances the insisting on refusing bail and not allowing people to get their own legal representation in trials and appointing dummies to represent them and refusing the dummies to interview the accused is unheard of in any legal system.     The problem is that the Democrats are trying to install a dictatorship in the USA  nd following the Chinese model  of handling political opposition to them.   
All indications are that the people of the USA are sick and tired of being led by criminals like Biden  and in just over 6 months the  USA will gt rid of the extreme leftist  mania and select reasonable and moderate people to govern the country -  the first persons they will get rid of is Biden and Harris  - both through mental incapacity and incompetence.   
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Apr 2022, 23:28
#34
18 Apr 2022, 23:28#34

"The Squeaky Toy demonstrating his poor upbringing again. Was it Mommy or Daddy who used the F word all the time, Squeaky"

No Rudehole, neither of  my late parents used profanity, but nice of you to drag them into this...shows your real class...sometimes the F-word is all people understand, but unfortunately your scull is too thick even for the F-bomb....

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Apr 2022, 00:41
#35
19 Apr 2022, 00:41#35

Some of these people may have thought they could change the outcome of the election. If so they were deluded…..but that’s not usually a capital offense. They are accused of being stupid, once again if we shot all the people doing stupid things there would be a lot less people around.

This was a sad farce, with a bit of common sense there was no need for anybody to die.


        

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Apr 2022, 06:44
#36
19 Apr 2022, 06:44#36

"This was a sad farce, with a bit of common sense there was no need for anybody to die."

Yes, sad but true, but according to some, conservative stupid people deserve to die...and there's just no reasoning with such fools.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Apr 2022, 08:54
#37
19 Apr 2022, 08:54#37

Well, let's just agree that if someone is part of a mob attempting to enter a government building illegally and there's at least one armed policeman on the other side of the door telling them not to enter and they still try and enter . . . it's not the police or the government security forces who can be accused of not using a bit of common sense. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Apr 2022, 09:35
#38
19 Apr 2022, 09:35#38
Draad Are you even surprised that VisKop is what he is on here? Imagine if i told you that you could make a living through invading people’s privacy. You’d probably turn down the offer. Most decent people would. Not old Vissie though. He jumped at the opportunity. A lowlife at home and a lowlife at work. At least he’s consistent. Guy’s a pop-up guru. I have more respect for 2nd hand car salesmen. At least they’ll look you in the eye.
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sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
19 Apr 2022, 09:45
#39
19 Apr 2022, 09:45#39

ButtPlug, I plan to open another office on Planet Meton. Any suggestions where the best work locations are? 

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,202 posts
19 Apr 2022, 09:48
#40
19 Apr 2022, 09:48#40

If it was Black Lifes Matter that stormed the Capitol, Redneck Lifes M atter would be cheering the Capitol police on. 

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