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Why Trump should be Impeached

Started by clevermike98 REPLIES5,034 VIEWS· 21 Nov 2019, 01:01
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 01:01
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21 Nov 2019, 01:01#1

Listening to the evidence Ambassador Sondland today is clear evidence that Trump appointed a fool as Ambassador to the European Union and that should be sufficient reason to impeach him.   The EU probably deserve the appointment - another fool on the ship of fools in Brussels does not make any real difference.


It is clear that Sondland is either a very clever guy thinking he would get political advancement if he help the DP to get rid of Trump - or he really does not know what he was presuming by himself and why?   Obviously a devious guy with a programme all on his own.


Sondland's  evidence today is likely to end up in Court and he would have a hard time to escape from being sued for libel  for many millions of dollars.             

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2019, 13:38
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21 Nov 2019, 13:38#2

Thankfully in the end by telling the truth he sank the demonrats. 

Could he have possibly set up that snake Schiff. Looked how after Schill has walked out of the hearing to give a fake news press conference that the globalist MSM went nuts about, Sondland sunsequent testimony demolished

Schiff and the traitorous demonrats and their Deep State. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 17:57
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21 Nov 2019, 17:57#3

Beeno

I f I was a DP member I will be more worried about the IG report on the 2016 election - there is really going to be a panic reaction on their part.

Trump must wait for that report and set up a Special Council to Investigate and report on corruption ion the Obama Administration.    Things like the Uranium 1 issue - the real Biden story in Ukraine - as well as involvement by Pelosi and Kerry needs to be investigated,   Also the 75 000 shares grant to Podesta and the involvement of Pelosi's son in Russia dealing need to be dealt with.

It seems as if the Political crooks are using their off-spring to rake in the corrupt money  and that the DP is under present leadership totally corrupt.     

      

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2019, 17:57
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21 Nov 2019, 17:57#4

Beeno

I f I was a DP member I will be more worried about the IG report on the 2016 election - there is really going to be a panic reaction on their part.

Trump must wait for that report and set up a Special Council to Investigate and report on corruption ion the Obama Administration.    Things like the Uranium 1 issue - the real Biden story in Ukraine - as well as involvement by Pelosi and Kerry needs to be investigated,   Also the 75 000 shares grant to Podesta and the involvement of Pelosi's son in Russia dealing need to be dealt with.

It seems as if the Political crooks are using their off-spring to rake in the corrupt money  and that the DP is under present leadership totally corrupt.     

      

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
21 Nov 2019, 19:23
#5
21 Nov 2019, 19:23#5

CM that ambassador is a real dork,

But in the end he did blow the Demorats out of the water.

What a ruddy shambles this has been for the USA.

Nothing short of TREASON in my view.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
21 Nov 2019, 23:12
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21 Nov 2019, 23:12#6

Sounds like fat Donnie is heading for the clink. Get ready to get in the queue and take him a cut lunch.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
22 Nov 2019, 00:17
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22 Nov 2019, 00:17#7

I am not a legal beaver but please tell us on what charges is he heading for the clink?


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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
22 Nov 2019, 00:17
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22 Nov 2019, 00:17#8

Is seems that 99% of the viewers are Trumpanzees 



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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
22 Nov 2019, 00:22
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22 Nov 2019, 00:22#9







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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Nov 2019, 00:56
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22 Nov 2019, 00:56#10

I make a nice toasted cheese and tomato sandwich.......nothing fancy but it's the thought not the gift. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2019, 01:10
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22 Nov 2019, 01:10#11

Impeachment is a dud.....not a glove laid on Trump. What would one have found if the Obama or Clinton's presidencies were laid bare like this?

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
22 Nov 2019, 03:22
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22 Nov 2019, 03:22#12
Trump just seems like an untrustworthy sleazeball, a used car salesman so he attracts this type of stuff. 
He refuses to hand over his tax returns- I think this was related to him being thrown out of New York. I don't recall any prime minister or president being treated like this. 
I doubt he will be impeached, so this is just another wild good chase. He should, however, be forced to hand over his tax return before the next election.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Nov 2019, 04:17
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22 Nov 2019, 04:17#13

He's not presidential, that to me seems to be his problem, he's a streetfighter, the pub brawler type  and I guess that's what rubs folks the wrong way. Unique in many ways for a POTUS. No matter what he's achieved or will achieve he rules over a deeply divided nation and probably deserves but will never receive the respect and acceptance he seeks from those who despise him.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2019, 04:40
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22 Nov 2019, 04:40#14

SB

What Tax returns should Trump hand over?   His personal ones or the ones of all the companies he owned and is involved in?   The US Revenue Service has some of the top tax experts in the world and if there was indeed any wrongdoing in that by Trump it would have landed him in jail.

There was none and there is not a major company in the USA that is subject to  the same BS as Trump is by the DP - the most corrupt party in the history of the USA.   What will the DP do with the returns - start another mock hearing as a propaganda stint and ends up with hearsay and other BS.

Trump is not taking his salary as President and the profit from his the Washington Hotel is paid over to the Revenue Service.   He pays some of his staff out of his own pocket, so what else is he expected to do?  

He offered to host the G20 summit free of any charge to the Government next year and the DP kicked up hell.   Now it will cost the  taxpayers millions of dollars.

If Trump was dealing with honest people in the DP and they conducted themselves as such, he would have handed over his tax returns to Congress - but to do so in the present environment will not serve any purpose  other than to sabotage functioning of Government further than what as happened in the USA since the 2016 election and the total stagnation of passing of legislation would still be further sabotaged by the DP.                

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Nov 2019, 04:46
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22 Nov 2019, 04:46#15

Mike, I don't get it because I live by a simple rule.....if you have nothing to hide then there should be no fear of putting it in the open for all to see. Moreso him being POTUS.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2019, 06:35
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22 Nov 2019, 06:35#16

Denny the US tax code is very complex....vast grey areas. If Trump put out his tax returns every one  of these situations would be reported in the worst possible way by most of the  media. Joe Public wouldn't have a clue about the nuances.

As long as Trump is dealing with a hostile media, doing the 'right thing' is far more likely to be punished than respected. 

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
22 Nov 2019, 07:54
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22 Nov 2019, 07:54#17

Trump says what millions of Americans want to say, but don't

He also says and deals with issues that other previous American presidents did not want to touch...

Do I like Trump the man...…… Hell no

Do I like what Trump is doing for the average American citizen...…. Hell yes

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
22 Nov 2019, 07:55
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22 Nov 2019, 07:55#18

I don't have to like the man...... to appreciate the good that he has done

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
22 Nov 2019, 17:33
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22 Nov 2019, 17:33#19

DA in total agreement with you on the above two postings.

Nobody is perfect but that does not prevent anyone from performing the best you are able to in an attempt to make things around you perfect.

He has performed admirably for his country and its people under a hostile environment from the media, democrats and the swamp rats. He wears his heart on his sleeves for the USA every moment, every day and everywhere.

Lets hope and pray that this situation of obstruction and criminal corruption is handled correctly and that everyone does what is right for the country.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

Plus it appears that their are no criminal charges  to be made or forthcoming as requested in my earlier posting but only silly little cartoons from the Trump Haters......

Speak up make your claims and be on record or SHUT THE F--K UP.

WEASELS.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
22 Nov 2019, 18:17
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22 Nov 2019, 18:17#20
Trump may not be as bad as some say. 
However, there is no doubt that religious people are not objective when it comes to Trump. They see him as as their saviour. 
The T rumpanzees get all emotional when anything about Trump is mentioned that is not positive. 


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AJHPro3,183 posts
22 Nov 2019, 21:26
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22 Nov 2019, 21:26#21

I am not saying that Trump has no faults and I agree with Denny about some of his actions and Tweets.

But also give credit when it is due no matter your bias.

All I am asking is to state the criminal acts that he is alleged to have committed and let the truth and the justice system determine the the outcome.

No President anywhere in the world has had to endure the hostility and criminal actions that he has had to since prior to the election.


Four More Years.



AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
22 Nov 2019, 23:00
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22 Nov 2019, 23:00#22

Denny you and I both know that if any Tax expert had to audit our tax returns they will always have more questions than answers.

Just wait and see what is going to take place with all these Washington elites and their schemes and tax evasion past.

Maxmouth Walters has already been hit once and more strikes are on the way.

Still waiting to hear about the criminal activity that is going to have President Trump locked up.......any ideas?


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2019, 23:40
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22 Nov 2019, 23:40#23

Shark this notion that everybody who supports Trump is a nutter is a bit extreme. Although I will say, not unusual amongst the wealthy/educated suburbanites in the States.

The common  point of view is that he is a radical unattractive person....and if we elect somebody else only the good parts will be kept. Hell if we select Warren or Bernie they will reveal they are really closet capitalists.

 The opposite is true. Without Trump you don't have:

* Correcting systemic trade abuse

* A full hearted effort to limit immigration

* Iran held to account

* The aggressive rebuilding of our military

* Holding Nato to account

* Sending missiles to Ukraine

* Encouraging US rather than Chinese sourcing of many simple goods

* A tax regime that has the US economy humming

.....among many things. There is no other person on the political horizon who would have done these things.

As for the Dems fading to the middle....there is a new force, led by AOC, the modern day Madame Defarge. If any Democrat, including as we have seen Nancy Pelosi, doesn't follow the gospel they are going to be a target. Same for any Democratic President. The road back to the middle, even if that's the plan which I don't believe, will be rocky.


So, no, if you support Trump it doesn't necessarily mean you are a groupie. The political situation right now is pretty fluid, and there are many possible bad outcomes.....Trump is the antidote. Like many antidotes it isn't always appealing....but better than the disease.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
23 Nov 2019, 02:56
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23 Nov 2019, 02:56#24

Moz, I hear you and you have a point in Donnie having to deal with a hostile media, trouble is as I've stated, he creates his own problems, he carries an aura of turmoil about him, a smart man would know that you don't take on the media as he's done, you don't snarl and berate them, you play them, that's the smart thing to do. The media thrives on controversy, it's their lifeblood, Donnie keeps feeding that lifeblood. 

That said, there'd be hundreds with his wealth and more in the USA, eg Warren Buffett,  so whatever laws apply to them would apply to him, the only difference is that he is POTUS and they are not but whatever the declaration it would have the seal of approval of the IRI.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Nov 2019, 05:37
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23 Nov 2019, 05:37#25

It's a two edged sword Denny....it works with  his base, and alienates part of the undecided group. My guess is that tradeoff, which seems totally random, is actually carefully tracked.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Nov 2019, 10:58
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23 Nov 2019, 10:58#26

Trump is playing the media...cat laser pointer stuff. Ugly at times, but very effective. They never gave him a fair chance...everything is twisted into the most negative angle imaginable, even here in South Africa. Decades of brainwashing and conditioning has taken it's toll. People are too lazy or too busy to think for themselves. 

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AJHPro3,183 posts
23 Nov 2019, 19:17
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23 Nov 2019, 19:17#27

With the criminal issues facing President Trump and the list of charges he is facing is beyond belief.

Just check the list provided by Denny, sharkbok, Rooinek and the LEFT.

Zero that's correct.

You would have to be as dense as these guys to accept or believe the accusations they keep hurling but when it comes to challenging them to state what charges will lead to his conviction and LOCK UP they fail to deliver.

Same old story accusations but no evidence.

DT did not disclose his tax returns is a typical example of one such claim ....what crime did he commit by not disclosing the taxes he paid.

None is the answer.

Bluster and more Bullshit is all it is.

Shame.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Nov 2019, 21:12
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23 Nov 2019, 21:12#28

How dare you Arthur...the man is rude and should be locked up...or shot at dawn or something....Orange Man Badddd!

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
23 Nov 2019, 21:23
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23 Nov 2019, 21:23#29

There certainly seems to be religious bias, as those that go to Church identify with Trump.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-10-05/rev-franklin-grahams-tour-spotlights-trumps-evangelical-support-amid-impeachment-threat


GREENVILLE, N.C. — 

 

The Rev. Franklin Graham did not utter the word “impeachment” as he spoke to thousands of Christians here last week, the latest stop on a long-running tour he has dubbed “Decision America” — a title with political and religious undertones.

But evangelicals who turned out to see Graham didn’t necessarily need his warning that “our country is in trouble” in order to tap into their deep-rooted support for President Trump during an intensifying political crisis in Washington.

“I do feel like we are, as Christians, the first line of defense for the president,” Christina Jones, 44, said before Graham took the stage. Trump is “supporting our Christian principles and trying to do his best,” she added, even as “everybody’s against him.”

The impeachment furor is the latest test of Trump’s seemingly unbreakable bond with conservative evangelical Christians. Trump suggested this week that the peril of impeachment would only cement his ties to that voting bloc, which helped propel him into office, and supporters who have stood by him through accusations of sexual assault and infidelity see no reason to back away from a president they view as unfairly beleaguered.

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Frances Lassiter, 65, dismissed Democrats’ pursuit of an impeachment case against Trump as “all a bunch of crap” designed to push him from office.

Asked about comments Trump circulated from an ally and Southern Baptist pastor who warned of a “Civil War-like fracture” if the president is ousted, Lassiter and others in the crowd at Graham’s tour shared concerns about political polarization putting further strain on the country.

“Could have a war ... you just don’t know,” Lassiter said. “It’s scary.”

Graham sounded a similar note in an interview aboard his tour bus. The 67-year-old evangelist and son of the late Rev. Billy Graham said the inquiry into Trump’s solicitation of help from Ukraine in providing political dirt on Democratic rival Joe Biden and his son Hunter — at a time when the U.S. was withholding nearly $400 million in aid from the war-torn country — was “a lot over nothing.”

Graham, for his part, encouraged Trump and others to keep looking, citing Hunter Biden’s past struggles with drug and alcohol abuse as a reason he is “suspect.”

According to the Billy Graham Evangelistic Assn., 13,800 people attended Graham’s Wednesday event in Greenville, seat of a county that Trump won in 2016. Greenville also hosted a Trump rally in July where the audience broke into a chant denouncing a freshman congresswoman that echoed a racist remark the president had directed at her and other Democratic lawmakers.

Graham’s preaching tour featured another touch, one more reminiscent of a political rally: counter-programming from evangelicals on the left. An hour outside of Greenville, a group of progressive Christians led by the Rev. William Barber II and his Poor People’s Campaign held a “Red Letter Revival” to offer an alternate vision of policymaking aligned with biblical values.

That revival aims to redefine public understanding of issues of faith, encompassing an inclusive immigration agenda as well as more focus on helping the poor and the environment, explained Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove, a liberal evangelical preacher helping to organize it.

Wilson-Hartgrove described Graham’s tour as a “coordinated effort to intertwine” religion and conservative politics. While he had little hope that supportive evangelicals would abandon the president for “personally offensive” actions — Trump used profanity to denounce Democrats this week — Wilson-Hartgrove cast impeachment as “a moral question.”

“Does a president of any party have a sort of unquestioned right to, in this case, break [Federal Election Commission] rules and to break the law in order to win an election?” Wilson-Hartgrove asked in an interview. “It’s a question of right and wrong, which people of faith should have concerns about.”

In August, a Pew Research survey found 77% of white evangelical Protestants approving of Trump’s performance . Those who report attending church weekly were more likely to approve than those who attend less often, 81% versus 73%.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Nov 2019, 21:33
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23 Nov 2019, 21:33#30
Given how stupid someone would have to be to vote for Bozo, this is yet another article confirming the link I put up years ago proving that the more stupid a person is, the more likely they are to believe in a god.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Nov 2019, 22:01
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23 Nov 2019, 22:01#31

Rooinek, you should not even talk about stupid. Absolutely no discernment...nada nothing, lap up everything you get told....your constant need to call others stupid is obviously compensating for something...what might that be?

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AJHPro3,183 posts
23 Nov 2019, 22:16
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23 Nov 2019, 22:16#32

Simple Rooinek and sharkbok........what is the crime that President Trump is to be charged on.

TELL US THE CRIME AND THE LAW THAT WAS BROKEN.

Waiting..........

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
24 Nov 2019, 19:00
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24 Nov 2019, 19:00#33

Hey are you empty boxes still searching for a crime like the Demorats.

Bunch of loud mouths who:

 A. don't have a case.

B. always change the subject.

C. attack religion which is not related to the issue.

D. don't have the balls to admit they are chasing their tails.

E. empty boxes.

The sad thing about all of this is that these BOXES were born in RSA and are either sucking up to the commies their or in the UK, OZ and NZ.

No case against the PRESIDENT.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

Yippy.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Nov 2019, 19:48
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24 Nov 2019, 19:48#34
Google is your friend.
AJ is another dull-witted Trumpanzee too stupid and helpless to perform a simple Google search of something like "Trump's crimes". 
If he managed to summon up the very modest levels of imagination and intelligence to perform such a search he'd find an article like this on the very first results page which accounts for 10 years that Bozo would serve if anyone had the guts to apply to the law . . . and off the top of my head I can think of misappropriation of campaign funds (Stormy and Karen) as well as obstruction of justice (during the Mueller investigation) that would add a few more years to the sentence Bozo deserves.
Lock him up!
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Nov 2019, 21:03
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24 Nov 2019, 21:03#35

Bla...bla...bla...SOS.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Nov 2019, 21:05
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24 Nov 2019, 21:05#36

So if the leftists talk about crimes - why don't they lay charges at Police Stations about the "crimes".   Unless there are provable charges and not only political idiocy the charges will not be accepted. 

The day after Trump was sworn in they decided to have him impeached and the drama is now near to three years on the go.   Nothing proven other that I hear from unknown that something happened but that I "presume" is a  serious crime.   After three years of lies and deceit - nothing????????

If you read about some inputs you would know that the real "crime" of Trump is that he wants to get rid of bribery and corruption and the DP bigshots are afraid they would be exposed and their criminal activities may land them in jail.   They turned the USA into a farce - tragic, but true. 

.        

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AJHPro3,183 posts
24 Nov 2019, 21:14
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24 Nov 2019, 21:14#37

Rooinek once more referring to LEFT WING Communist media reports but all BS and nothing that will stand up in court. Notice the link to donate....milking these loonies even more.

Does anyone for one second think that the Lefties would not pounce on any and all illegal activity carried out by President Trump.

Keep dreaming Commie and surfing your propaganda media channels, one day soon the true will be revealed and the sky will fall on the Left wing commies.

Until then dream on boxes.

FOUR MORE YEARS.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
24 Nov 2019, 21:16
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24 Nov 2019, 21:16#38
The Trumpanzees are getting into a fit of hysteria and the tabloid sales are in overdrive...
Like I said at this start of this post. (See below). 
sharkbok

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Nov 22, 2019, 00:17

Is seems that 99% of the viewers are Trumpanzees 

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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
24 Nov 2019, 21:18
#39
24 Nov 2019, 21:18#39

I see Michael Bloomberg has entered the nominee race as another Democrat, which I believe he will win. He might even give Trump some very stiff opposition in the election.

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sharkbokCaptain23,196 posts
24 Nov 2019, 21:19
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24 Nov 2019, 21:19#40

The political specrum is:


i) far left wing- ii) left winger

                                         iii) moderate left - iv)  centre-  v) moderate right 

                                                                                           - rightwinger-far right wing -Trumpanzees

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