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William Barr democracy's new hero

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2019, 15:18
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21 Apr 2019, 15:18#1
What a throwback to competence. There are many great lawyers in the USA, men who know their field and bring a maturity to proceedings. But with the hopelessly inept Sessions following the likes of activists Holder and Loretta Lynch, one could easily have assumed the law was dead in the US. Enter William Barr. His press conference was a model of clarity and toughness. He didn't mince words with the hostile press....he simply destroyed them. Man vs children. Barr has an independant reputation, he owes Trump nothing.....he was serving his country. He has made it totally clear that Trump has passed the examination and the country can go back to it's business. What right did Comey and Mueller have to hide the fact that there was no evidence tying Trump to Russia.....for years. They did the country a huge disservice. Barr has had the courage to stand up against a howling mob and do the right thing....the new face of integrity.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
21 Apr 2019, 15:27
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21 Apr 2019, 15:27#2
Moz, the irony is that there is a huge possibility that Mueller himself could have sabotaged an election campaign. If there is any truth in the allegations that the basic finding of the investigation was clear long before the 2018 midterms, how can not releasing it at that time not be seen as manipulating an election?
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2019, 15:37
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21 Apr 2019, 15:37#3
It seems very clear from the legal activities timeline that Mueller knew everything about the non collusion story well before the mid term elections. Why he decided to sit on that finding will doubtlessly be explained by the need to protect the fake investigation into obstruction. But that investigation was not in the original brief and all the weak evidence they cite paints a picture of the President desperately trying to get the truth out there...to get players like Comey to say publicly what they were willing to say privately. I'm repeating myself... .Mueller had the opportunity to be one of the great figures of legal history, but he just wasn't big enough to serve his country.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Apr 2019, 19:52
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21 Apr 2019, 19:52#4

Great start by AG Barr. 

If he does his job and indict the coup plotters and the various Demorat criminals then he will have done America a great service. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Apr 2019, 02:50
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22 Apr 2019, 02:50#5

One has to admit that the Democrats and their media supporters have a lot to hide and that they would be desperate to keep their involvement and especially those of the Clintons and even Obama and his administration out of the public domain.   

They are screaming about alleged efforts by Trump to sabotage the Mueller investigation - but I am afraid that they are using that strategy to stop further investigations iro -

*   the start of the Russian Hoax story and especially the involvement of the Clintons, the Obama administration and the FBI itself from being investigated further;

*   the involvement of Clinton  in the uranium deal with Russia and payments made to the Clinton Foundation; and

*   the e-mail saga involving Clinton which was hushed up by the FBI.

The other problem the Democrats have is that the economy is booming and that unemployment rates are down benefitting inb the main the African Americans and Latino's.   That is bad news  politically for them with the elections only 18 months away.   

The other problem is that the Democrats and their media supporters have hidden the major illegal migrant problem away from public view.   The influx of illegals into the USA are causing major problems for the stuggling communities already in the USA and the threat is felt by both the African American and Latino communities.   

So we have a case where the noise made by the Democrats and their media supporters is increasing and one can expect some real shenanigans on their part in future.

In the meantime I am a strong supporter of MABA - Make Alexandria Bartend Again.         

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Apr 2019, 09:48
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22 Apr 2019, 09:48#6
“In the meantime I am a strong supporter of MABA - Make Alexandria Bartend Again. “ Noooooo. Keep her right there. She is perfect where she is. She is Trump’s secret weapon against the Dems.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Apr 2019, 11:32
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22 Apr 2019, 11:32#7

And then there is this bombshell and from non other than the New York Times even..........

Barr Is Right About Everything. Admit You Were Wrong.

After Trump’s vindication, the liberal media and its allies in government should face a reckoning. I’m not holding my breath.

The American political and media elites that spent the first two years of the Trump administration promoting the Russian collusion hoax have some explaining to do. And not merely explaining: They owe the president an apology.


As Attorney General William Barr said on Thursday before releasing the Mueller report, “After nearly two years of investigation, thousands of subpoenas, and hundreds of warrants and witness interviews, the special counsel confirmed that the Russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election but did not find that the Trump campaign or other Americans colluded in those schemes.”


And yet nearly the entire complex of elite media was actively complicit in promoting the biggest political conspiracy theory in American history: that Hillary Clinton lost the election because Donald Trump conspired with Vladimir Putin to — well, that was always a moving target — but to somehow deprive Mrs. Clinton of victory. What we now know definitively is that Robert Mueller, the special counsel, and a team of very accomplished, mostly  Clinton-supporting, prosecutors were unable to find evidence of a conspiracy that had been taken as an article of faith by Trump haters. [Mostly Clinton-supporting? Really? They were all Clinton supporters and they were all Trump haters. Even Mueller himself. I would not be surprised if he was actually scared of Trump. Scared of what could be happening to him following the conclusion of his investigation. He knows exactly which skeletons are hiding in his own closet.]


Journalists don’t like being called “fake news,” but too many of them uncritically accepted the Trump-Russia narrative, probably because of their strong distaste for Mr. Trump himself. But that lack of objectivity represents a major professional failure, and it’s Exhibit A in why Mr. Trump’s taunt resonates with so many Americans. Gallup polling shows that for 69 percent of Americans, trust in the media has fallen over the last decade. Among Republicans, it’s 94 percent; for independents, it’s 75 percent and for moderates it’s 66. Only among self-identified liberals and progressives does a majority continue to trust the media. They like what they hear.


I’ve spent countless hours on radio and television since the fall of 2016 explaining to respected journalists why the Russian collusion story doesn’t get much, if any, traction in Middle America. This is because the allegations of collusion are not true and because most people who are not deeply committed to irrational Trump hatred see them for what they are: an inside-the-Beltway story being used as a political weapon to undermine the president and overturn — or at least neutralize — the 2016 election.


The whole ordeal had a detrimental effect on the president and the country. As Mr. Barr put it Thursday morning, “The president was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents, and fueled by illegal leaks.”


He was right. And it was obvious in places like Arizona (where I live), but not in Washington or New York.


For nearly four years, members of America’s ruling class, especially those in the media, the academy and government, have operated on one central, unquestioned assumption: orange man bad. This stifling orthodoxy led to a blind, counterfactual faith in the theory that Mr. Trump had somehow colluded with “the Russians” (never well defined) to win the election. Again, the specific charges were always amorphous — plastic enough to change as needed. That’s hardly surprising: That’s the way conspiracy theories always work. The Russian collusion hoax was in fact nothing more than a massively multiplayer coping mechanism for people who couldn’t accept the results of the 2016 election.


But why is it not enough to simply acknowledge that you dislike Mr. Trump and disagree with his policies? What psychological purpose does adding the fiction of a conspiracy serve?


The French philosopher and literary critic René Girard held that such scapegoating and ritual sacrifice is an essential part of group identity and solidarity. That seems to apply here. Mr. Trump ran against American elites and their insular culture. Their response was to load onto him all of the sins they see in American society and attempt to sacrifice him to appease their gods.


Mr. Girard asked a question that is pertinent today: “Why is our own participation in scapegoating so difficult to perceive and the participation of others so easy? To us, our fears and prejudices never appear as such because they determine our vision of people we despise, we fear, and against whom we discriminate.”


But the ritual sacrifice of Donald Trump didn’t work — at least not in the sense of removing him from office. It certainly did have the effect of catalyzing and uniting his opponents. Still, one of the many ironies here is that the Trump-hating media has handed him an incredibly powerful weapon for the 2020 campaign, one that may ensure his re-election.


Again, the operating principle was that of the zealot: Believe the narrative regardless of the lack of evidence, squint to see justifications where there are none and then in an intoxicated frenzy of moral superiority use any weapon at hand to destroy your enemy.


Shortly after Mr. Mueller concluded his investigation without any indictments related to Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, Representative Adam Schiff, now the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, did not admit he was wrong — far from it. He brazenly doubled down, saying during a committee hearing, “You may think it’s O.K. how Trump and his associates interacted with Russians during the campaign. I don’t. I think it’s immoral. I think it’s unethical. I think it’s unpatriotic. And yes, I think it’s corrupt.” 


The problem is that the Mueller investigation, as Mr. Barr explained, “did not find that the Trump campaign or other Americans colluded in those schemes.”


Mr. Schiff must know this. He must have known it for a long time. [He has known and he has known right from the outset.] But he has persisted in slandering innocent people for personal political gain. His selfishness has led to a level of civil discord and political acrimony not seen since the late 1960s. That is what I call immoral, unethical, unpatriotic and yes, corrupt. [Schiff is a cancer in US politics. Trey Gowdy said in an interview that Schiff has seen exactly what he (Gowdy) and the rest of the Gang of Eight and others have seen. Nothing more, and he was the one leading the punting of the hoax. He, in fact, is one of the few who are privy to the entire Mueller report, without the redactions. Where are his facts hiding in plain sight? Why don't he produce them? Go listen to his pathetic speech when he was told that he should resign from the Intel Committee. It is not even worthy to repeat it. He is a sniffling skunk. Farking weasel.]


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Too many politicians and journalists were eager, whether cynically or gullibly, to take the bait. The list of collusion Truthers is long. The politicians include not only Mr. Schiff, but people like his congressional colleagues Maxine Waters, Eric Swalwell and Richard Blumenthal. The media enablers included Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, Rachel Maddow (who built her show around Russia Trutherism), David Corn, Michael Isikoff, Manu Raju, Brian Stelter and many others. These people represent themselves as straight journalists who are fair, independent, oriented around facts. What a lot of Americans have seen instead is political partisans.


And then, of course, there is the recently arrested Michael Avenatti, who was eagerly embraced by Trump haters. He appeared on CNN and MSNBC an embarrassing 108 times in a 64-day period in 2018. How could they not see him for what he is?


There are three types of people who promoted Russian collusion hoax. First, those who knew it was false all along, but promoted it for money, power, prestige or dopamine hits from Twitter high-fives. Second, the journalists who had a responsibility to dig into this story rather than just repeating what they hoped was true and what the story’s promoters were telling them.


Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN Worldwide, is emblematic of the problem. “We are not investigators,” he said last month. “We are journalists, and our role is to report the facts as we know them, which is exactly what we did.” Has anyone ever seriously thought that investigation was not a core function of journalism?


And then there is the Kool-Aid brigade. These are the people outside of politics, the people who couldn’t wait to hear what Rachel Maddow had to say, who believed every breathless prediction on cable news that “new revelations could spell the end for Trump,” and who shared these nuggets with a mixture of indignation and ecstasy on social media.


But the collusion truthers were not all on the left. Trump-hating neoliberals at some of the old, legacy conservative publications were eager to believe it too. They believed the worst of Mr. Trump because they wanted to, and it led them astray. And none of them have owned their mistake yet, meaning that, as night follows day, they will be duped again.


To the public figures who promoted the collusion story, I say: Own it. Just admit you were wrong. It won’t feel good at first. But when the initial sting passes you will find it liberating. And people will respect you for it. The media and political elites have a lot of work to do if they want to regain the trust of the American people. Confessing a major error that needlessly turned Americans against one another is a good place to start.


I don't think it would be improper to extend the following, from this piece, to a few of our frien ds on this forum (most who have since disappeared like the morning mist):

"Own it. Just admit you were wrong. It won’t feel good at first. But when the initial sting passes you will find it liberating. And people will respect you for it."


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Apr 2019, 16:34
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22 Apr 2019, 16:34#8

Great post Windomp. 

However what is seldom mentioned is the BIG reason why these scumbags hate Trump. THE BIG REASON IS THAT HE IS DESTROYING THE GLOBALIST WORLD ORDER. 

TRUMP IS A NATIONALIST AND THESE GLOBALIST HATE THE SOVEREIGN NATION STATE. THEY WANT A ONE WORD GOVERNMENT AND NO BORDERS. THEY OF COURSE WILL CONTROL THE WORLD GOVERNMENT. BUT ALONG CAME BREXIT, TRUMP AND THE WORLD WIDE FIGHT BACK. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2019, 18:28
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22 Apr 2019, 18:28#9
Trump is pro American, but he is certainly not uncomfortable with internationals....his wife is one. I see him more as trying to preserve a version of America he respects, than being anti anybody else in particular. He has great communication skills at a certain level...but is rather poor at promoting Trump the person. So even after he has been the victim of a vicious hoax, he has garnered little sympathy. Partly this is due to a cadre of holier than thou Republicans like Mitt Romney, who can't stand him....and have been 'horrified' by the 10 Obstructions (there had to be ten). I'm ashamed I gave Romney a rather substantial contribution on the basis of comments by friends who knew him well. What a backstabber he has turned out to be! The truth is there is nothing in the Ten Obstructions which rises to more than wishing and hoping....which was not an unreasonable reaction from an innocent man. In time I believe this will be the conclusion.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Apr 2019, 19:37
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22 Apr 2019, 19:37#10

The fact is the average voters are not really interested in stories of and about politicians - what they are interested in is what is the Government doing to benefit them.   That is why there is a backlash against the governing elite in many countries,

That is why Trump won in States that have not voted for any Republican Party candidates for many years,   They became anti-establishment because of the fact that their daily lives became worse because of the shenanigans and even corruption of the establishment.   Trump was nopt an Establishment politician and that was the reason they voted for him.

The economy improved drastically and the ordinary workers and previously unemployed benefit from it.   That is why they would not easily turn around and vote against him in 2020.

As to Romney - his father was a Democrat frim Minnesota and I think he turned to the Republicans because he was not really making headway in the DP.   He was the RP nominee in 2012 and failed badly because he could not get support from voters who became  estranged against the establishment.    He may do what he set out to do anyway - and rejoin his soulmates in the Democratic Party or the Liberal party where hi true feelings seems to be.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Apr 2019, 19:49
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22 Apr 2019, 19:49#11

Sorry Moz you are dead wrong. Trump has made it very clear the USA is a SOVEREIGN nation with BORDERS. 

He has fought against the Globalist Paris Climate Change Agreement and the ICC and UN Migration Compact   

I also saw a clip where he made it very clear he saw the danger these Globalists pose. 

The Globalist owned MSM hate him for his Nationalist stance. 

There is no question at all that the fight today is between these globalist traitors and the Nationalist/populist. 

Trump will NOT surrender US sovereignty to any international body. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Apr 2019, 20:28
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22 Apr 2019, 20:28#12
Perhaps I was unclear when I said he 'wants to preserve a version of America he respects'.....that means he wants the USA to remain master of it's own fate.. But he is by no means an isolationist.....his business interests are all over the globe. And I don't think he is personally uncomfortable with foreigners, just unchecked immigration. Contrary to the popular view he is far more sophisticated internationally than Obama ever was.
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