Would you trust a Trump Security Guarantee?

Trump's security guarantee is selling weapons to NATO. Forget boots on the ground or air support; it is just the supply of arms. Who knows, maybe the very next week, he would add export tariffs to the deal on all arms exports. Then, a week later, he changes his mind, saying that America will provide Ukraine more support, before speaking to Putin again, and eventually selling arms to Russia, with no tariffs.

He is like Jabba the Hutt at his Whitehouse palace, surrounded by gold and minions, making deals that he would negate at a whim's notice.

That is dismissing the rest of the world (outside the liberal world) The liberal world is running out of options. It is bigger than Trump, people grant too much power to Trump in this case. If Trump does not manage to stabilize the situation in one way or another, he is gone. Russia has been unexpectedly ruthless at least in terms of political demands (remains the economical side that may be quite other and liberals care primarily about trade) The rest of the world has had a very different reading of the situation than the liberal world. Putin has grown in stature to the rest of the world. Pushing India in this situation is not a good initiative.

I am quite sure that should any guarantees ever be offered, Ukraine would ensure that they were absolutely air tight

No deal with Trump is secure- the real-estate conman

Trump's security guarantee is selling weapons to NATO. Forget boots on the ground or air support; it is just the supply of arms. Who knows, maybe the very next week, he would add export tariffs to the deal on all arms exports.

LOL, you don't have to wait till next week for that.

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/weapons-for-ukraine-face-10-markup-in-europe-1755678484.html

So far what's coming from the US on security guarantees, is that they would be willing to supply Ukraine with weapons and intelligence, plus provide logistics support. No US boots on the ground. US providing air power remains an unknown at this point. This would also be in addition to the idea that with the minerals deal in place, US assets and personal might also serve as an additional deterrent.

From the US point of view it's the European countries that should be doing most of the heavy lifting in providing the security guarantees which I don't think is unfair point though you got to wonder if that's the case why is the US taking the lead in negotiations if they only want to be a secondary player.

If ever there was a Presiden that act on what h promised h e voters that eh would implement it was TRUMP - compaered o the braindead Biden and weak and corrupt Obama he always acted on what he said will be done - and every European leaxde knows it. Remember the famous sying of th e Obama s htscared idiot about "a red lline in teh sad wh en the Syrians used poison gas on rebels in Syria and just ignored his promise and kept doing it repeaterdly afterwards. When in January 2017 afte Obamaa left office hey repated it once - it wa sthe als t time they did it and they were dealt wth a hrshly as a result. Now you can give me one example whered TRump did not act on promises to the electorate an reneged on it.

Further give me an example where Biden did anything that was not based on bribes and coruption so that I can enjoy the joke. The anctions he apllied to Russia was a joke - eveyone icluding thr USA breached their own sanctions depending how money there was in bribes to the Biden, Pelosi, Shiff and Schumer cime families, But then whomsover handled the Autopen actually ruled in the USA and Hunter was a key in doing that. So Biden as a severe mental case and whaatever the Autopen decide was acted on.

Nothing you write is not BS because of insanity.caused by TDS - in amy event where is your evidence supporting your crazy comments above. Cedrainly Putin did not ignore a threat by Tump that he would impose effective sanctions on the Russians and he sent to nuclear driven and amed sbmarines to the Balic Sea. Even Putin believe e threat it posed and not ignore he realiy and live on Cloud Cuckoo land like you do. So gie us he issue you raise above

By the way dim poephol - there are a 100 000 US troops stationed in bases all over Europe and aprticularly in Germany and Poland - the latter adjacent to Ukraine and your BS is endless idiocy. Trump alread said there will be a troop presence in Ukraine - but not on the scale already in Europe,as a whole.

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Stav

Youa re fucking crazy as a result of TDS. You base your arguments on newspaper opinions and not facts of life. Trump does nogt sign arms provision agreements - the manufacturers and buyers signed the sales agreements. the agreement incldues permission given by Trump for export of export the arms. So as part of the agreement to buy armamnets from the USA the undertaking that permisson has been given for the exports at e inuded.

I will gve you two examples signed an agreement to sell arms to Taiwana nd th ey apid for he arms beleiving Biden would ive permission a promsied. He enver gave permisson fo he export and it was not delivered - reason, the agreement was not acceptable to Prsesident Xi and t here were no bries invovled,

Congress approved the grant of military aid to Israel in 2024 and Biden did not adhere to the Cogress decision toe export the arms when BLM and Anifas porganzed the Hamas Riots at coleges all ove rhe USA, He sat on the eprmission for months and a alst it was sigbed by the Autopen 9 months later,

In the case of Trump he ermssion is an annex opf he agreement sigbnend by the Manfacturers and the coutes nvolvd,

All the BS you write on site indicates you are totally branwashed and totally removed from reality as a result.

Unfortuntely even auatic A sylum would not hel with TDS because t si an inh erent idiocy pobldem.

In aney event realiy is so far removed from SB and Stav that comments on their shit si really not worth the effort. So I am not going to be bothered by t heir brainless TDS mania. Last post I will dxo so.

Lat pot will dxo so.

What?

I correet the wording for yor benefit, Non-factual BS is to be ignored by t hinking people. whos tidued reale vidence and produce it - not media BS, lies and distortions.

If that mean's you'll stop clogging up threads with you're shitory, then I'm all for it.

Wrong - I am just not going to respond to obvious selfinvented BS by you anymore. By the way the SA has circa 100 000 troops i Europe - basically esablished on bases in countries in Europe = nut maonly in Poland and Germany - the troops can get to Ukraine in matter of hours - secondly the US can move some to Ukraine afte a bas has been esstablshe their - but tahat will yake monjd yp g a ral operational base wit all the eneded faccilities develoed, So use your bloody commpn sense fir a few minyes and not think up BS all the time.

One thing the weapons send by Biden from all US bases left the bases without the neceessary arms to use in operations, Those weapons have not been replaced because of looting of he USDF budget. That is for the US at present the highest priority since the NA TO armeies in Europe are not operational

The really amazing thing is the emdia campaogn to preent any peace agreement in Ukraine. I amazes me too why you and others wants the wetr to continue without knowing what is being discussed,

I will give you an example - during thee meeting on Monday all the NATO leasdes agreed that the enxt step in he process would be fpr Zelensky to meet Putin - so TRump aske them if e can contact Puti to ssee whether such a meeting is possible and when it could be held, S o CNN had a piss about that phone call/ Putn agreed to the meeting with Zelenskyy within tee enxt three weeks. The idea is that Trump and the NATO leaders will join the meeting after inititial discussions/ The likely meeting will be in Istanbul and chaired by Presidnt Erdogan that will try and ease he tension. Is Turkey not a member of NATO - which will further increase the NATO inluence ins ettling the peace negotiations on track. The German Chanchellor suffest a ceasefre - but distrust of Rusia and even Ukraine may just be abused by both sides and Trum wats a war aendinga greement immduately and not delayed indefinitely, postponed.

So what else di you people want. Ze;emskyy wants te Crime and the Domas area nof Governed byUlrane since 2014 back and he has not got chance i hell of that hapening. That will jsut lead to cotinmuation of the wr indefinitely and in the proces tens of thousandss of people will due, and Urkaine will lose more territory, in te process, The best chance Ukraine hs is to get some of te terriroty at present under Russian control conmquered since April 2022 back. Tht I think is why the European countries support in the main Trump's efforts to top the War. It will also entail US companies to invest in Ukraine to gt the economy restarted and that will exclude e Blackrock effort to take over all farmland in Ukraine from the legal owners of the properties - an ultra-corrupt process that the Autopen Presidency approved, That will NOT HAPPEN,

So you can go on wih a camapign on site to ge the war to continue - I wil not have any part in even discussing further BS SPREADING BY SITE MEMEBRS, .

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"No US boots on the ground"

I can't see that Russia will make any deal that includes NATO military boots on the ground in Ukraine.

That's the problem, if you exclude NATO who's left?

A meeting between Putin and Zelensky??

Really?

Go-on pull the other one!

What abot NATO roops from Turkey - they are the only NATO member ith suffiecient troops counry wth sufficient troops to provide troops and is neutral insofar as the present War is concerned, They previously was nvolved in peac negotiations to try and stop the Ukraine War in April 2022 - whuch reached an agremeent - but then the Autopen tol the Ukraine Foreign minist e o elave Istanbul mmedxiately and not initial ny agreement that was on the point o sending he agreement to Zelemskyy and Putin to sign, That was confimd by both the Turkish Government and the Ukraine Ambassador in Turkey who attendedthe meeings concrnedm That happened eborte any majr battles were fought.

I do not now what the motive of the US Government was - but it led to movemeent of the Ukraine Arny to he Donbas area. That type of hing s nowdays covrd by sattellite photos and no more a secet. The ussans th moved their army to th same region and all ell broke lose. The Auropen Presidency had a he part in extending h ar - and tha is facual as well.

There is a problem wih US toops in Ukraine - it will require conress aproval and that is no a cerainty in ths case. It is unsure whether he US electoate in he midterm election 14 months away will support such a move, since 54% of he US voters support Trump'd initiative to stop the war in Ukraine.

The next phase of the negoiation processs will be dicey and it is very likely that Rsusia will not want continuation of the War itself if Trump put total pressure to stop Russian exports and Putin knows that the Atutopen Preidncy and all other countries undermined theit own sanctions on Russia, A United NATO amd EU response will force Putin's hand in that regard.

Like avirtually all leaders worldwide Putn knows that if Trump tell them what the USA will do - it will in fact be done.

That us why the NATO leadership in fact themselves support the peace negotiation proces at preent under way.

I yonk it is difficult to predict the final outome of the engotiations since thr frsi;d gp esy id eing ngotiated s not rlly known to the media or the public, The presnet media camaign has vey little to do with the negotiations and propaganda has more to do with trying to undermine the Trump presidency.

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As President Trump attempts to help negotiate an end to Russia's war in Ukraine, questions have grown about what will happen to Ukrainian territory claimed by the Kremlin and held by Russian forces.

Mr. Trump has said any ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine would involve "some land swapping," though it isn't clear exactly what that means.

Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, and controls or claims about 20% of Ukraine's land.

The map below shows those areas, highlighted in red, based on recent data from two nonprofit think tanks, the Institute for the Study of War and the American Enterprise Institute's Critical Threats Project.

Infographic with a map of Ukraine locating territories claimed by Russia as of Aug. 17, 2025, according to data from the Institute for the Study of War and AEI's Critical Threats Project. Graphic by Guillermo Rivas Pacheco, Jean-Michel Cornu/AFP via Getty Images

That's the problem, if you exclude NATO who's left?

This question was answered a long time ago: soldiers from European countries outside the NATO covenant. This is the plan. Which is funny since they will have to protect the US trade interests Trump have wrestled out of Ukraine.