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Zelensky says NATO scared of Russia.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2023, 07:03
#1
04 Jun 2023, 07:03#1

That's putting it mildly of course. The Russian bear has the West petrified.

Zelensky must also know his days are numbered unless something dramatic happens. 

Hindustan Times reports. 




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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jun 2023, 09:59
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04 Jun 2023, 09:59#2

The reality is that not a single NATO member has the capacity to sustain any direct confrontation with Russia. They have been weakened by decades of leftist policies, and now their armies are rubble. The last credible effort from the UK was the Korean War, where they salvaged a lost cause after China handed the USSA a heavy defeat. Too many Westerners have been lulled into a false sense of security, as they have merely had to deal with terrorists in open terrain with donkeys and AK-47s. Well, Russia is a very different adversary. Germany and France saved both the UK and USSA in Yugoslavia in 1999/2000, but they too are nothing at this point. The assumption was that Ukraine would wear Russia down, and that Russia would lack the means to sustain any effort. That hasn't been the case at all, as Russia is firing on all cylinders, mincing the Ukrainians, and making the West pay through their teeth to keep it going. A cost they cannot afford, as the West falls apart at the seams. The USSA itself, being nothing more than a perverted third-world nation. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2023, 10:13
#3
04 Jun 2023, 10:13#3

Agree Deus but must say America is being ruled by a minority trying to destroy the country. Many people supporting the Demonrats have been deceived by the corrupt media that fortunately is now in sharp decline. 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jun 2023, 10:43
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04 Jun 2023, 10:43#4

Is it a minority that support it? I don't think so. The entire culture of the USSA has changed dramatically, the next generation are perfectly happy with all of this, the only thing is that they are not intelligent enought to see that they will suffer in the end too. Leftists are very shortsighted. MSM is still a powerful weapon, and has hold of the overwhelming majority. Alternative media is nothing more than controlled opposition. I noticed a shift in the content from around 2009 to 2013. That's also when content on YouTube changed as well, and not for the better! The left fight for the system to be removed, and the right will accept the system to replace it, thinking they've defeated the left. 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
05 Jun 2023, 05:13
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05 Jun 2023, 05:13#5

Yep the people in Turkey side with Russia. That is why their president was warming towards Russia to aid his upcoming election.Erdogan himself is a huge critic of LGBT. 

 Yet they are the second largest standing military force in NATO.

I have been watching these Turks for years. The USA dumped the Kurds to favor Turkey but it will be interesting to see if the Turks stick with wobbly USA. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:35
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05 Jun 2023, 14:35#6

The EU countries residents do not want a war with Russia and in the USA the idea is dead before birth,   Biden would not get Congressional approval to start a war against Russia - so he is inciting other countries to get involved.    

Despite the media propaganda the Ukrainians are not winning and they have lost too much to r egain ground.      

I think that Zelenskyy and his crooked partners in the USA  will find their money-laundering schemes being impossible to maintain and he is likely to flee to the USA - where the crooks are protected by the Justice Department and by the FBI.       


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:43
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05 Jun 2023, 14:43#7

A sensible person is afraid of a rabid dog, because its bite can be fatal. The world is  afraid of Russia because it has nukes…other than that it’s a puny economy, smaller than Italy and would have been ejected out of the Ukraine long ago,

More like a rabid squirrel than a bear.

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
05 Jun 2023, 14:54
#8
05 Jun 2023, 14:54#8
The West has already explained to Putin that if he uses Nukes, NATO will use conventional weaponry to destroy all Russian Stockpiles of Nukes - before heading to Moscow to destroy Putin and his KGB cronies.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
05 Jun 2023, 15:11
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05 Jun 2023, 15:11#9

The West cannot do anything other than using nukes against Russia as a surprise attack.   Russia would not use Nukes - they know the consequences.   When it comes to other forms of war - the USA army is in a pathetic condition.   The ordinary people are discouraged from volunteering to serve in the USA Army because preference is given to the 52 forms of sexual orientation  the Biden Administration require.    Whether the volunteers preferred by the Biden Administration become warriors and fighting soldiers - not a chance in hell of that happening.

The Kabul catastrophe of Biden has shown clearly that the EU troops evacuating their citizens regard the US army leadership as pathetic and the UK Commander at the Airport as a bastard and told him to Fuck Off.

Responsible commentators claim the US have only about 50 000 fighting soldiers available at present.   The US armed services is in a pathetic condition and war against Russia would destroy even the 50 000 fighting soldiers  they have available.   

When a country have corrupt shit in charge the country is doomed.

                             

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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
05 Jun 2023, 15:34
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05 Jun 2023, 15:34#10

NATO would destroy Russia very quickly. Their army is utterly useless with its world war 2 tactics- and Putin fires a new general each week. 

I actually can't believe how pathetic their army has been- although that might be morale issues as well as poor tactics. 


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Jun 2023, 16:35
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05 Jun 2023, 16:35#11

More hilarious stuff from the Modderdam muse. The US economy is  14 times bigger than Russia, it would crush Russia like a bug in conventional warfare.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
05 Jun 2023, 17:03
#12
05 Jun 2023, 17:03#12

 Dumbmike has either been suckling at the tit of insanity or he is living at the bottom of a bottle for so long his brain is fried.

I have heard more sense from a potatoe than his insane ramblings. Sad to see what happens to a brain when it looses all touch from reality because of old age.

I hope I drop dead before I get like that.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
05 Jun 2023, 17:38
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05 Jun 2023, 17:38#13

Zelensky the comedy actor seems to have developed quite the superiority complex with all that money and military hardware he's standing on.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
05 Jun 2023, 17:46
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05 Jun 2023, 17:46#14

USA couldn't crush the Afghans or Vietnamese.

Mozzie is hallucinating.... stick to the golf Mozzie. I see Ryan Fox who is Grant Fox's son is ranked no 41 in the world.

Yes Pakie, Zelensky is the main man,shd be in Hollywood. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Jun 2023, 18:35
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05 Jun 2023, 18:35#15

Wrong …both these countries were crushed, as was Iraq. The US occupied for as long as the loss of life from terrorist activities was acceptable. It wasn’t military losses that precipitated departure ….it was ongoing resistance without any prospect of democratic government. So reluctantly the US left Iraq and Afghanistan to go back into the Stone Age.

Ryan Fox is a very sound golfer who may win a major one day. Bobby Cole’s son is also doing well on the PGA tour.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
05 Jun 2023, 18:59
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05 Jun 2023, 18:59#16

The Vietnam and Afghan war were unwinnable from the start for the USA... now they play a proxy war which they won't win either. . Over 58000 lost in Vietnam

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Jun 2023, 19:23
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05 Jun 2023, 19:23#17

The Mozzzzquito is becoming more unhinged as time passes. 

To think the America public would accept America participating in a land war on Russia's border is crazy.

Estimates are that Russia could mobilize 30 million troops. Their Arms industry are churning out tanks, missiles etc. 

The body bags coming home to America would be Unprecedented. 

America would not be prepared to pay the price. Rusdia are. They cannot allow the Globalists in Washington to use Ukraine as a launching pad for war against Russia ever again. 

America has made a huge miscalculation in instigating this war against Russia- probably a deliberate miscalculation as their plan is to destroy America. 

Mozzzzquito sounds a bit like thst other Uniparty Rino Lindsey Graham of who it is often said there isn't a war he didnt like. 

Mozzzzquito it's time to come clean on you share holdings in tbe US military industrial complex. Mozzzzquito hopes to replicate the profits he made regarding his Big Pharma investments. 

No I think we can safely ignore the views of the very partisan Mozzzzquito. Bwahahahahaha. 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Jun 2023, 21:09
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05 Jun 2023, 21:09#18
Tell me about the Russian military when they finally defeat the Ukraine. 
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AJHPro3,183 posts
05 Jun 2023, 21:49
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05 Jun 2023, 21:49#19

No war is ever won by any side.

It is just politicians claiming victory to feed their ego and their supporters.

Just how many families have been hurt, lost family members, destroyed countries for what?

Is the world any safer?

NO.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
05 Jun 2023, 21:56
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05 Jun 2023, 21:56#20

No war is ever won by any side.

Do you seriously believe that?
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sharkbokCaptain23,199 posts
05 Jun 2023, 22:55
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05 Jun 2023, 22:55#21

The Wagner Group could probably defeat the Russian army. 

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Jun 2023, 23:31
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05 Jun 2023, 23:31#22

Wagner's Gen Pigoshit must be the only fella (on that side of the world) able to give Putin & his army a bollocking

2 dayThe TelegraphWhy foul-mouthed Wagner leader Yevgeny ... s ago

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Jun 2023, 03:52
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06 Jun 2023, 03:52#23
Childish Fools...who have never experienced battle.
The reality is:
Russia will never back down if cornered, their patriotism will never allow it.Not too sure about China either, but Russia I know for sure.Approx 30 million of Soviets was the cost for ensuring the defeat of Nazi Germany in WW2 on which you should be indeed grateful, otherwise you can be sure we would not have prevailed and probably none of us would be here. How distastefully glib and insensitive can you be. Hatred consuming you to insanity.
You insane hatred is very clear.You are consumed by it and don't understand it.



Number of nuclear weapons worldwide 2022, by countryPublished by Statista Research Department, Aug 5, 2022 As of 2022, Russia was estimated to have approximately 5,977 nuclear warheads, compared with the United States which had 5,428 warheads. The other nuclear powers in the world had far fewer nuclear warheads than the United States and Russia, with China having the third-largest nuclear arsenal, at 350 warheads.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2023, 04:22
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06 Jun 2023, 04:22#24

You ignorant idiots claim Russia is weak militarily.   You are in good or bad company - you can choose which.    Napoleon and Hitler thought the same and what happened to their armies?   Napoleon invaded Russia with 600 000 troops - the biggest army used in war to that date - and fought in various battles before Borodino - where 50 000 Russians were killed and 25 000 French troops died.   Yet it was three month later that Napoleon was forced to flee from Rusia and only 38 000 soldiers reached the Russian border.

Hitler invaded Russia and lost World War 2 as a result.    The Russians captured 250 000 German soldiers and kept them as slave workers in camps until at least 1955.   Roosevelt sold out Eastern and most of central Europe to the Communists and the situation was only changed in 1991 when the Communist system collapsed in Russia.

Mozart is a joke at least,    The Americans fled from Afghanistan in disgrace - it was not the fact that the Afghans dragged on the attacks - there was not a single US or allied soldier killed in the country for a year - it was the disorganized and poorly administered withdrawal that was scandalous.     To flee from  Bagram  in the middle of the night without informing the Afghans stationed at Bagram  and leave thousands  of US citizens and US militarily assistants behind was a national disgrace.   They also left behind technically advanced Black Hawk helicopters and other sensitive armaments for the benefit of the Chinese and what happened at Kabul airport was a total disaster - especially the soldiers killed  at the airport.   In the end thousands of Taliban supporters ended up as refugees in the USA where in time to come they will cause havoc.

It is also the latest recruitment strategies of the US Army that is weakening the US army - it is the weak and corrupt Biden presidency and military command that is a disgrace that will lose any war  the USA becomes involved in. 

The lack of strength of the armed forces in the EU countries is a disgrace as well.    Combined it is doubtful whether any of the countries can mobilize more than 30 000 soldiers and combined the total fighting army they could put together will be less than 100 000 soldiers.   If you think that lot is any threat to the Russians must be jokers or delusional.          

Most of the Leaders in the world know that the USA has lost the plot and they are distancing themselves from the USA.   They also know that if  NATO attack  Russia  - the Chinese will capture Taiwan and South Korea - putting Australia in extreme danger.   It would be the start of WW3 - which the morally deprived NATO countries with their weak Governments will lose.                                           


  

         

       

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Jun 2023, 06:00
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06 Jun 2023, 06:00#25

There will probably be a civil war in Russia, before any WW3

The unrest in Russia is definitely on the rise, and rightly so

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Jun 2023, 06:25
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06 Jun 2023, 06:25#26

No that's certainly not the truth, born out of ignorance. That was the intention of USA and Nato, how little do they know them. In fact it, does the very opposite, it unites them. Not every Russian agrees with their president but the vast majority (over 80%) according to Statista are behind him. Look it up, statista.com, it is a Western source and I believe non-political.

 That's a fabrication and wishing thinking of our differences, how little, if anything you know. It's unbelievable patriotism to mother Russia. They dig in and get stronger in resistance. They are not easy to provoke, incredible restraint and don't show their emotions and slow to anger but once you keep provoking them and breaking your word, all hell is let loose.The real truth is that how it stands right now.

They would rather die than let the West get their filthy and greedy hands on their country.

Most of you are in denial...a sickness and symptom of hubris disease.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Jun 2023, 06:28
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06 Jun 2023, 06:28#27

Ffs ouMaaik, stop going off at a tangent ............... same with SebKleb, ask him a question & its  reminiscence time with  either the Dr Zhivago theme or Dolly Parton clips.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Jun 2023, 07:02
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06 Jun 2023, 07:02#28
Not ignorance Seb, just the truth
I know that many Russian people still support Putin and his war .... but that is declining on a daily basis.....definitely not remaining the same or increasing....
If you cannot see that, then the ignorance is on your part, not mine. 

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SebPro2,680 posts
06 Jun 2023, 09:04
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06 Jun 2023, 09:04#29

Trying to do brain surgery through a correspondence course...Hahahahahahaha.

That is funny, coming from somebody who has never been there... my Russian family tells me it is most certainly a lie, my wife is visiting right now and things have improved.

Also this must be fake news...LOL.

Vladimir Putin's approval rating in Russia monthly 1999-2023Published by Statista Research Department, Jun 1, 2023 In May 2023, over 80 percent of Russians approved of activities of the Russian President Vladimir Putin. The popularity level was five percent higher than in September 2022, when it stood at 77 percent. The decline in that month was explained by the announcement of a partial mobilization in the country. After Russia invaded Ukraine at the end of February 2022, the approval rating increased. During the COVID-19 lockdown in the spring of 2020, the figure declined.

What has shifted Putin’s approval rating?

Since his first presidential term started in 2000, Vladimir Putin's highest approval rating was measured at 88 percent, when he was the country's prime minister. In 2008, as a result of the war with Georgia, Russia recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. In 2014, Russia annexed the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol, viewing it as a historic reunification. Despite Western sanctions that were imposed on the country in response the violation of territorial integrity of Ukraine, the approval rating remained high over the following years. In February and March 2019, among the reasons behind the decline in approval were a pension reform and a retirement age hike.

What awaits Russia after 2024?

During his state of-the-nation speech in January 2020, Vladimir Putin suggested amendments to the Russian Constitution, some of which are aimed at restructuring the executive power within the country’s administration. Regarding the amendments, 47 percent of Russians believed that they were designed to prepare the political system for the period after 2024, allowing Putin to stay in power in a role different from a president. In March 2020, an amendment was proposed to the Constitution to reset the previous presidential terms of Putin, allowing him to stay as a president until 2036. The amendments were approved in an all-Russian voting with nearly 78 percent of Russians supporting them.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
06 Jun 2023, 10:56
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06 Jun 2023, 10:56#30

A lot of people on this forum have been respectful of your opinions Seb, without being disrespectful towards you.

Can't say you have reciprocated that.

It's my lone personal opin ion Seb, nothing more....... no reason why it should upset you so much.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
06 Jun 2023, 12:02
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06 Jun 2023, 12:02#31

The Ukrainian guy has been trying very hard to get NATO more involved in the war than they already are.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Jun 2023, 22:48
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06 Jun 2023, 22:48#32

The lack of strength of the armed forces in the EU countries is a disgrace as well.    Combined it is doubtful whether any of the countries can mobilize more than 30 000 soldiers and combined the total fighting army they could put together will be less than 100 000 soldiers.   If you think that lot is any threat to the Russians must be jokers or delusional.

Do you ever getting tired of been so utterly wrong. 

Just looking at the EU members who are also members of NATO. There current number of active military personal is around 1,350,000 with reserves of 2.2 million. You could add in maybe another 35,000 active military personal belonging to EU states who are not NATO members.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2023, 00:08
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07 Jun 2023, 00:08#33

Stav

I referred to fighting soldiers not total number of soldiers.   The problem is firstly you think the numbers you mention represent fighting soldiers - they do not.    The USA  is a typical example of what went haywire.   They suspended 60 000 soldiers because they would not take the Covid vaccine and most of those left the service.    The retired senior officers think that it leave them with only about 50 000 fighting soldiers that can be sued in actual battles.

The fact is that the USA Government then went on a recruitment drive.    Thy laid down quotas or recruitment drive to replace departures.    Those include quotas for Women, Blacks, Gays and trans-sexuals.   The US Army recruits traditionally came from rural areas and small towns - those are to be avoided in future and recruits from cities are to be preference. 

The result is obviously going to be bad.    Throughout history people in the min fought in wars to protect their countries and their people.    The norm now applied in the USA is that pride in their country is an abomination and is unacceptable.   So for what purpose would these new recruits be usable?    Besides that the norms laid down by the US Government let to a shortage of about 25% in their latest recruitment drive.

So lets get to the rest of the NATO membership.   Again the emphasis is on fighting and battle-ready troops.   The campaign to get rid  of borders in Europe is even worse and the fact is that on books they may have millions of soldiers available - but how many of those would be prepared to fight for their countries concerned when the nations themselves believe that patriotism is an abomination.   

The USA has the biggest standing army in NATO - the second biggest standing army is Turkey - but would they be prepared to fight to support a world without borders the liberals are driving at?     

In any event - after Turkey the next biggest army is the Germans - traditionally good soldiers - but Germany is a hotbed of the people who believe that countries should not exist and that nationalism and patriotism are sick ideas.

You will obviously claim otherwise - but I think the fact is that according to a recent poll indicated the majority of people in the USA think the future is bleak and that by 2050 their  living conditions will be worse than at present and the USA will lose  their status as Number 1 country of the World will not continue - one of the reasons are the political division in the country and the drive of the leftists to turn the country away from democracy is a future disaster.

                  

                                               


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Jun 2023, 00:41
#34
07 Jun 2023, 00:41#34

Pablum

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jun 2023, 07:19
#35
07 Jun 2023, 07:19#35

I referred to fighting soldiers not total number of soldiers. The problem is firstly you think the numbers you mention represent fighting soldiers - they do not

Oh come off it Mike, you once again where completely and utterly wrong but you don't have the honesty to admit it. 

Of course not all military personal in a country are fighting solider but that equally applies to Russia. Are you seriously suggesting that the EU with a population of 447 million compared to Russia's 144 million could field no more 100,000 combat troops. 

The rest of your post is absolute horseshit that isn't even worth responding too.

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