I saw the headlines...
Here's a snippet.
"None of us wants an endless war. Ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. Nobody wants peace more than Ukrainians. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump’s strong leadership to get a peace that lasts," Zelenskyy said Tuesday, describing their previous encounter as "regrettable."
Suddenly Zelensky really wants Trump to negotiate a peace deal for Ukraine.
Yeah, and some on here are still saying that they would definitely have wanted Harris instead of Trump ...... Harris..... of all people
I say nothing ... just nothing
The mentality of some people in this world is astounding....
Just imagine Harris trying to deal with Zelensky's arrogance
Just imagine Harris trying to deal with Zelensky's arrogance
"Zelly, let me be clear. Ukraine is a country. Russia is also a country. It is a bigger country, right? And Ukraine is a smaller country. We must unburden the smaller country from the burdens of the bigger country. This is an extreme war that has been very extreme. We must be vigilant. We are here now, and this is where we must be, to do the things that must be done and take the actions that must be taken in order to facilitate the outcome that can be considered the desired one."
The desired one issue is world stability and not wars and threats of wars. Putin nows that to annoy Trump would lead to bad consequences .for Russia, So it si better to wait and not make satements on what the outcome would be. Russia will not get everything they desire - they will have to compromise to make a workable pesace treaty signed, , . .
Biden was a disaster as President and Harris would have been worse, She has no idea about policy development and she would just surrender toa ny demand made by any country. .
So its ok for Btshit to side with Russia, change the world order & align the USA with a dictatorial lineup of Russia, Belarus, Hungary, Iran, NKorea & Israel.
Give us your solution Blob. Oh yes, more war for the next 2, 3, 5 years. More dead Ukranians, more dead Russians. Until Putin, sitting snugly in the Kremlin dining on caviar, has been "punished".
Pakie, in your opinion ..................... who does Trump support ?
I don't know what he's playing at. I think he knows that for any peace to be possible you have to throw Putin a bone, and open diplomatic channels between USA and Russia is far more valuable for the world than a continued standoff and hostility, which is not going to lead anywhere good. Installing American interests in Ukraine should, in theory, ward off Russian hostility, but then what do I know. I'm not going to pretend I understand the machinations of world politics of which we only see the tip of the iceberg anyway. I do know that stopping the killing is a better option. From then on the ball is in Russian hands what they want to do with that. If they continue the aggro, break agreements, we're obviously heading for a far more serious conflict. If Trump allows them to continue, or bends over in some other way that allows for unfair gains for Russia, then likewise we have a problem, but we're not quite there yet.
For now, let's try to avoid an escalating conflict, and then see what transpires after that. That sounds sensible to me, but that's just my opinion.
"So its ok for Btshit to side with Russia, change the world order & align the USA with a dictatorial lineup of Russia, Belarus, Hungary, Iran, NKorea & Israel."
Give your own proposal to end this war then Bob.....
You have asked questions from some of us on here, and most of us have answered you in some way, so how about you give us your own personal solution to this war, especially since you are continually so vocal and critical of Trump who is actually trying his damndest to do something about this war, and stop the incessant killing on both sides....compared to 4 years of the previous administration doing absolutely sweet fuck all...
So again, what is Bob's proposal to end this war?
A very... very interesting comment I heard from Putin yesterday
He says that Zelensky has delayed the end of this war, purely because once this war ends, elections can take place in Ukraine, and he would be ousted as president due to his plumetting popularity in Ukraine and the fact that Zelensky is apparently 50% less popular than the next political candiate running for the presidency.
Interesting opinion ....
Pakie thanks for your detailed response
Anyone who knows just a little bit of Ukraine's history knows that the previous ruling party and their leader were Putin puppets.
DA, Batshit1 undoubtedly got Zelensky's supposed 4% popularity rating from his evil mate in the Kremlin.
Ffs., be hyperbolic, but to deflate an actual rating of 57% down to 4% !!?? That's effing madness & destroys all credibility ............... like when he talks of the 350 billion aid given to Ukraine. Same shitspeak.
Zelensky's approval rating since the Oval office setup has risen. They've given far too much after over 1100 days of relentless war vs one of the baddest mightiest military nation to now surrender their homeland on the whims & fancy of this evil pair of fwit gangsters.
I'm interested to hear any resolutions to this war ....
All I see is a lot of insults and accusations towards Trump and his administration, but still no reasonable opinions or proposals on how to end this war, but to the satisfaction of all the parties involved.
Can anyone who is critical of Trump put forward a proposal that would meet the above requirements and stop this incessant killing.
Putin should never have invaded a sovereign country, we can mostly all agree on that......that was a dictator move.....but the reality is, that is not going to change, so let's at least deal with the realities that Trump himself has to deal with to end this war....we can all shout "well Russia started this" or "Russia should just pull out of Ukraine" .... well we all know as well, that that isn't going to happen, because Putin would lose too much face and be humiliated in front of the whole world.
So...... all the ones throwing insults to Trump, who is actually trying to do something about this reckless war, have the perfect opportunity to put a proposal down that can be discussed right here..... so if Trump is wrong, what is your answer to counter it.
"DA, Batshit1 undoubtedly got Zelensky's supposed 4% popularity rating from his evil mate in the Kremlin.
Ffs., be hyperbolic, but to deflate an actual rating of 57% down to 4% !!?? That's effing madness & destroys all credibility ............... like when he talks of the 350 billion aid given to Ukraine. Same shitspeak.
Zelensky's approval rating since the Oval office setup has risen. They've given far too much after over 1100 days of relentless war vs one of the baddest mightiest military nation to now surrender their homeland on the whims & fancy of this evil pair of fwit gangsters."
I don't see your proposal here Bob, just more insults towards Trump and his administration....
As I said, what is your personal proposal to end this war........I am interested to see it.
You've the planet's biggest nazi invading a country under the pretext of denazifying the said country. Like a Monty Python script.
I haven't a clue how to end this but its definitely not what Trump/Putin decide.
Kursk, the part now occupied by Ukraine, will that become part of Ukraine ?
"You've the planet's biggest nazi invading a country under the pretext of denazifying the said country."
Yes, complete and utter bullshit, which most of us called when and how it happened
"Kursk, the part now occupied by Ukraine, will that become part of Ukraine ?"
Good question, I have no idea, but I doubt it would happen.
It seems Ukraine are agreeing to the terms of what Trump has put forward.
What those terms are, I have no idea yet, but Zelensky could have let Ukraine go it alone without the US, but he didn't, so he must agree with some of the terms to a degree, even if he was strong armed by Trump to accept the deal.
Russia should never have invaded, I have always been steadfast against that..... and I don't want to ever see Russia get away with it scott free without heavy repercussions now and also down the road for them, because it sets the precedent for them trying to gain more land somewhere else at some later stage.
Having said that though, I also want to see an end to this war as soon as possible, and sadly Ukraine just don't, and never will have anything to give.... that would give them a stronger and more resolute seat at the negotiation table.
"I haven't a clue how to end this but its definitely not what Trump/Putin decide."
In your mind and in an ideal world, who decides this then.....the US - EU - Russia and Ukraine?
If so....what would you say if the EU, the US and Russia agree to a proposal put forward, but then Ukraine always say no to any of the proposals and will only agree to a proposal if it includes the full and complete withdrawal of all Russian troops from Ukraine.
The problem here is..... if you don't have much to offer via way of negotitations, then how much say can you really expect to have.
I am in no way saying that an agreement without the involvement on Ukraine is fair, in fact, I am dead set against it, but I also do realise that Ukraine do not have much to offer, that could appease everyone involved, which in itself is a shame because they weren't the invaders.
Haha look at how unhappy Blo and Denise are that the war may end.
Immediately claiming the USA are now Russia and N Korea cronies.
Anything to save a little face, huh?
Madness to now link or align the USA with North Korea, Iran and Belarus ..... I mean, how delusional is that thought process.....as I said, just complete madness if you honestly really believe that
Duplication - see next thread
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It is anmazing how experts on this site know what the peace negotiations will entail yet they write endlessly about it giving Putin a win in the war. I do not pretend to know anyhing about it and what they wrote is factless and media propaganda. BS.
What is amazing is that in 2020 Putin supported the candidacy of Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024. Putin knows they were indiotic enough to self-destruct the USA and he does not like to deal with Trump and openly stated so in the past,
What Trump promise the voters in the election campaign he is implementing already and Putin knows Trump has one non-negotiable condition - what Trump will require is what he regards is in the interests of the USA and NATO and in any negotiations Putin will have to make concessions or the negotiations will die and Trump will introduce measures that will damage Russia in the end - Trump never makes empty threats or promises to people. That is why the Democrats ahte him so much,
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Kinda looks right through the transparent Ukraine virtue signalling we have been having to suffer from these pretenders.
They would honestly rather the war continued.
...but Trump is the scumbag!?
LOL
As Pakie posted above, Harris has this:
’Zelly, let me be clear. Ukraine is a country. Russia is also a country. It is a bigger country, right? And Ukraine is a smaller country. We must unburden the smaller country from the burdens of the bigger country. This is an extreme war that has been very extreme. We must be vigilant. We are here now, and this is where we must be, to do the things that must be done and take the actions that must be taken in order to facilitate the outcome that can be considered the desired one."
Brilliant Pakie…..a job awaits you as her speech writer.
The deal offered seems good, but it is not clear what the arrangement will be with Russia.
So, this agreement is not a peace agreement, but more like a trade deal. It will ensure American economic interests in parts of Ukraine, which should ensure that Russia do not try to conquer all of Ukraine.
However, so far, there has been no mention of what a peace treaty would entail. Russia has already said they will not accept a foreign army in Ukraine as a back stop.
It would be great if any other US president had offered this deal. The problem is Trump himself continues to say America are going to colonise Canada and the Panama Canal. So it is not clear if Trump is aligned with territorial expansion or peace
Trump has always been just a bit too pally pally with Putin...
Brilliant Pakie…..a job awaits you as her speech writer.
Job's already taken unfortunately, Moz. I may even have plagiarized the little shit a bit.
Hahaha…..definitely a candidate to be the most influential leader in the world.
The kid can see it...yet some on here can't...yes, I know BB is a parody site!!!
FGH