Boxing.

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You confused me there dude

I just got back from a short road trip and I seriously thought that I had missed a few posts from all of you guys about some other boxing topic... when you started off with this...

"Fury wants Lomachenko to put on weight" "Has a lightweight ever beaten a heavy weight, I'm not sure but I saw a middle weight take a heavy to the cleaners."

The only lightweight I know of, who succeeded all the way up to the heavyweight division was Sam Langford, and he even fought Jack Johnson once, and Johnson failed to have a rematch with Langford, fearing that he would actually lose that fight.

The punching power of Langford is of folk lore...… he is known as a legend in that department

But Fury vs Loma...… I won't even bother to debate it...

It seems that I was misunderstood, perhaps a LOL after the statement would have settled it.

Rooinek on the other hand prowls this forum with the intent to find fault...even a mispelt word gets him in a tizz.

He also presupposes other posters meaning and intent...he has absolutely no sense of discernment.

He enjoys trying to humiliate other posters...that seems his sole enjoyment in life. One can only pity those people who work with him and his family.

A thoroughly unpleasant individual that spews his hatred on those that are not "his cup of tea"

He never minds his own business anyway, even to the extent of perusing the internet to probe into private matters of other individuals. He delights in using the keyboard to throw attacks that he would never have the guts to say to you face to face. A craven creature and a poor sick man..

There's two, perhaps three Loma fights that would be ones for the ages, yet we'll never get to see...

Loma vs Manny

Loma vs Mayweather

Loma vs Oscar

...but even those guys are a bit big for him. 5Kgs at 1.7m is a sizeable weight difference. Worse when you consider that the bigger guys put on more weight more easily after weigh-in. 

I believe Loma would have unlocked Mayweather though. Mayweather's lead leg was always a bit planted. Which is exactly what Loma is brilliant at capitalising on. He'd have moved right and stepped outside, forcing Mayweather to pivot his hips left. Leaving Mayweather exposed to body shots and also to low to high combinations, while working with difficult counter-attack angles. Just my opinion anyway.

Of three fights that we'll never see, I'd say the Pacquiao one, provided he was in his prime, would be an L for Loma. Just got a feeling he'd brawl Loma out of his comfort zone. 

Dave and Rooi,

Dubois, in some way, reminds me of Holyfield. 

And he has a similar atmosphere to him too. Composed beastlyness...or something like that.

What do you think?

I've been watching Dubois since he turned pro, and more so after the rumour mill went crazy about Dubois dropping Joshua in training, to which Dubois alludes to in the one interview.

These guys never really talk outside of sparring, but this particular story did the rounds and quite a few guys know about it

This guy is a monster when it comes to power, and when he connects, everyone has been dropped so far.

Fantastic talent coming out of the UK, and also making the heavyweight division exciting again  

DA, I meant to ask, what full contact fighting were you involved in? I've got a feeling you're gonna say kickboxing. I hope so...then we can talk Muay Thai AKA the greatest combat sport on earth

I'd like to see Dubois wait another year or two before making a run for the top. Just my opinion.

He looks like his head is screwed on correctly too. The type of champ, similar to Lewis, that you'll never hear negative news about. Always a huge bonus and a mental victory. Nobody likes to fight a guy that is unphased by money, fame or the world. Assassin vibes.

I think he beats AJ but gets outsmarted by Fury.  I can't pick a winner between him and Usyk(Ukraine) though. Another guy I'm always looking forward to seeing and probably the most sound boxer in the division.

One has to respect the UK for the quantity of high class athletes, across so many sports, that they are consistently able to produce. 

With Usyk, AJ, Fury and Dubois...the heavyweight division is looking a lot better than it was just a couple of years back.

Also, there's a good handful of guys with clean records at 20'ish fights. 

Kownacki, from Poland, is one of them 21 - 0. Awkward style and likes a brawl. Throws rib crushing body shots. He doesn't look the part but his record speaks for itself, for now anyway.

The Kurdish/German Kabayel 19 - 0, is another one to look out for. He KO'd Joshua in sparring prior to the first Ruiz fight. Guy has wonderful hands and is probably the most creative puncher in the heavyweight division. I shit you not, he throws high to low combos with the same hand haha. Right cross ->right bodyshot -> right uppercut(visualise that for a moment). Something a true boxing fan will watch on repeat a thousand times and never get bored of. He also throws pinpoint uppercuts with his lead hand...another rarity.  His uppercuts, generally, are frightening. I think he's finished about 6 or 7 fights with them now. 

The question is...where are you America? 

Languishing at welterweight, is the answer haha

DA

I refer you to Exhibit A...

Time stamp 1:41

Not kickboxing Plum, but close enough I guess

I started off with Judo, then I went on to boxing, and then I finally made the move over to full contact karate

I initially was going to go the JKA karate route, but decided that it made no sense practising that when you were not permitted to make any physical contact with your opponent and that to me did not really give you the experience in a real life fight scenario, so I opted for the full contact karate style called Kyokushinkai

I know it might sound weird, but it made more sense to me to get used to getting hit in full contact, like in a real street fight, than practice where you are stopping just short of hitting someone, like JKA, but then when you are finally hit for real in a street or school fight, all the training is forgotten, or you panic because you are not really used to getting hit or contacted by someone else

Muay Thai..... fuck man...… I wish I had travelled and learnt some proper Muay Thai in Thailand, because I rate it so highly and those guys are just absolutely savage and so effective with their brutality in the way they execute their kicks, elbows or knees....irrespective of their size 

I was in Thailand many years ago, but only for a few weeks, and I would give anything now to have had that experience in training and fighting that style

I thoroughly enjoy MMA because it shows so many different techniques and moves, so I watch everything I can regarding the sport and it is incredible to see how the small guys dominate some of the bigger muscular guys..... I can't wait for Adesanya vs Romero this weekend.... it should be epic

Talk about kickboxing .... check out Adesanya's kickboxing record before he joined the UFC.... the guy is fantastic

Thanks for the clip Plum, I will have to check that clip later though, unfortunately I cannot access it now

LOL, I typed a lekker long reply and then it didn't post. 

That title fight, how incredibly boring? I'm glad everyone was pissed about it. Ridiculous really. 

I know it's a title fight and a bit of chess match but at some point, somebody must lose a piece or two...else it's just a waste of everyone's time. 

I still feel that leg strikes should score a lot fewer points than head strikes. The difficulty in landing them are at opposite ends of the scale. Walking forward should score points. It's an aggressive venture, so the aggressor should be rewarded. Just my view.

Karate? I went through a phase where I was reading a lot about Karate. It's amazing what those guys worked out and how long ao they did so. Aikido is probably the least effective of them them in all in real-world scenarios but the theory behind it is fascinating. 

There's some great resource online for old translated manuals. We talk about "fight science" today, but those guys were approaching fighting scientifically while we were still standing around with our arms out front in carrying bag of cement position.

I rate Kraf Maga is probably the most effective real-world discipline. Did you know that there is a Kraf Maga gym in Roodepoort? Just wait until the Lebs find out haha

Did you watch that clip of Dekkers? Little beast huh? 

that KO that I timestamped is probably in my top three all-time favourites. 

"LOL, I typed a lekker long reply and then it didn't post"

Happened to me last week, and then again yesterday when the load shedding hit.... incredibly frustrating

That fight was utter shit..... so much so that purses should be adjusted towards the fighters

Romero was the main culprit..... he just did not want to engage Adesanya, which made for such a dull and boring fight.....and as you correctly say Plum, the people clearly let them know.... then Romero bangs on about Adesanya not wanting to fight.... yeah ok.

I rate Kraf Maga very highly indeed, but if I had a choice, it would be Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, only because most fights end up on the ground, and it is so damn effective over mostly any size of opponent in most everyday fight scenarios...

Judo really opened my mind as to how you can so easily handle a far bigger opponent than yourself.... but Jiu-Jitsu is seriously mind blowing in it's simplicity with all the strikes, locks, mounts and grips

Still need to check that clip, sorry Plum

DA, did you see what Rogan said about Romero?

I'll try to find the clip.

Apparently a doctor, that dealt with a hairline orbital fracture on Romero, contacted the UFC after he'd treated him.

He asked them where they got him from. The reason being, he'd never seen a human like Romero before.

Apparently, his bone structure, tendons and everything else is beyond what he'd ever come across. He said, since he was dealing with the orbital area, he'd examined the tendons behind Romero's eyes. They were four times thicker than a normal person' s. 

Cuban eugenics?

Time Stamp 29:18 

Well ... the clever people say that it can take up to 8 weeks for a ruptured eardrum to heal.

Is it wise to push for a rematch so soon ... especially with no attempt at building a little confidence against lesser opponents.  

He was thrashed and will undoubtedly carry the memory of that into the ring.

I get the feeling he's been pushed into this. I doubt he's heart is in it. A drubbing like that will have left it's scars.

This could very well be a career ender.

Any boxer who has a big punch is always in with a chance until he is laid low.

Lesson one - when entering the ring stay alert.

Lesson two - keep moving.

I'm sure that there were a few hard hitting heavyweights who thought the same when they entered the ring against Tyson.

Lesson one didn't help them much ... in fact lesson two did as much for them as lesson one.

Tyson has a podcast now.

It' s called "Hotboxin with Mike Tyson"

He's had some nice guests on, including Tyson Fury.