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The Wimbledon experience

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jul 2021, 08:26
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02 Jul 2021, 08:26#1

One ahs to wonder what is really happening to the senior players in the game.   Lets go back a bit,   During the French Open there was a critical remark made by the commentators  and that relates to the must slower ball hitting speed of senior players like Djokovic, Nadal and now Federer and Murray utilizes in their games.   They return balls at lower speede and rely on the opponents to make mistakes than on actual atatcks.



So lets look at what happened in the Wimbledon series.    Before looking at that lets mlook at the point allcoations for instance of Superbru competition.    In that series so far - after Round 2  most of the players played low=rated players and the results were not particularly impressive,   So lets look at results thus far of the top 10 seeded players - most of whom only face players outside of the top 50 ranked players in the series:-


*     Djokovic in Rounds one and two faced two qualifiers and they were not in the top 100 ranked players in the world.   He was even forced into a four-setter by one of those.   His ball  speed rating was about 100 kph and was nothing spectacular.   He is lucky up to round 3 his opponents  were all below the 100 ranked players in the world -  in Round 4 he is likely to play another low-ranked player above below 5 - not a top 50 ranked player - but only in the quarterfinals will he meet a really dangerous opponent a really  dangerous opponent,


*     Medvedev was in the same situation as Djokovic in Round 2 - but his ball speed was high and his scores better, than those of Djokovic thus far,   He is meeting the no 321 seeded player (Cilic) in Round 3 and is bound to face much stronger than was the case thus far,   

      

*     I leave out Tsitsipas because he was not really up to standard anyway..


*     Zverev - was totally dominating in both games with a very high ball speed in evidence.  Zverev's next opponent is the number 31 seeded player - Fritz - and he will be facing better opposition than the case was thus far,


*     Rublev faced stronger opposition from two players he faced thus far - both this year were above 50 ranked players this year. .   It took him the first set in his first round - which he lost - to find his feet and demolish the opponent - while in the second round the game of high speed balls led to the demolition of Harris.   He face the number 26 player (Fognini) in Round 3 and is in no danger to lose against that one.


*     Federer one against two opponnents that was in the past year even worse than he was - they won nothing of any consequence this year.    His ball speed is less than 80k kph and is in fact poor in attacking play.   His next opponent is the number 29 10 ranked player - Norrie - and he will definitely lose.


*      Berrettini  was very average against poor opposition and we will have to see how he does against the next  low-ranked player.,   He is set to run into Kyrgios in Round 4.


*      Both Scwartzman and bautista-Agit struggled to win in their recent rounds and I doi not give them much of a chance to survive in Round 3,   


Murray is playing Shapavalov today and is bound to lose.      

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*     Rublev faced serious opposition   


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jul 2021, 19:25
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03 Jul 2021, 19:25#2

*     Federer one against two opponnents that was in the past year even worse than he was - they won nothing of any consequence this year.    His ball speed is less than 80k kph and is in fact poor in attacking play.   His next opponent is the number 29 10 ranked player - Norrie - and he will definitely lose.


……
Sure Tart, definitely. Why do you insist on making these naive, embarrassing  predictions?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jul 2021, 22:08
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03 Jul 2021, 22:08#3

At  least I base comments on performance and not age BS li.ke you dumb o.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jul 2021, 00:37
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04 Jul 2021, 00:37#4
Rubbish, you have never supported an older player ever….prove me wrong.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jul 2021, 05:27
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04 Jul 2021, 05:27#5

I supported Federer, Murray and Djokovic and Nadal when they were top performers.     They are not anymore and there is proof of that - even Djokovic himself said they are under threat from younger players.

I support older players in any code of sport and has  described to the issue of age as a norm - I could not be clearer on the issue.   I said age is no norm for any selection - as long as they perform well enough age is not a selection criterium.    That is where I differ from you - for you age is a real norm why people should be selected and performances count for nothing.    .           

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jul 2021, 06:20
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04 Jul 2021, 06:20#6
Djokovic is not a top performer?Man you are seriously confused and you have obviously never played tennis.  Your speed of shot stat that you keep quoting for example. Nadal’s spin ball will never be as fast through the air as a flat ball, it’s designed to fit into the court and kick up high.
Djokovic plays a flatter ball, but extensively uses off pace balls up the middle to set up the opponent and give him less angle. By definition a ball up the middle has to travel less distance and therefore has to be played softer.It’s a meaningless statistic in the absence of knowing the game plan. 
Rugby WC winners average 29 years/ Tour de France winners average 29 years/ Mickelson at 50 can win a major….which doesn’t mean a youngster can’t dislodge a senior player. But no winning coach starts with a clean slate every year. Incumbents have to be displaced, they don’t simply fade away.
And you have never supported an older player….it’s just a matter of time before you start agitating for their replacement.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jul 2021, 17:50
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04 Jul 2021, 17:50#7

Lossing against -

*    Sonego in the Vienna Open in October last year  in Round 2;

*    both  Medevedev and Thiem in the World  Championship in November last year;

*    Evans  in round 2  Momte Carlo; and

*   Karatsev in Belgrade 

Since none of the players listed above bar Demetrev and Thiem are less than 30 ranking points below him at the time it happened  it showed that Djokovic  is becoming a run of the mill performer and not on the level  he used to play - sad to say.   You are  confused because you never study what is really happening in the game  of tennis.

How many times must I tell you that age is NOT a factor when it comes to team selection.  Age  has nothing to do with performance  - any player  irrespective  of age should be selected on the basis of performance - nothing else.    The problem you have is you do not rate players on consistent performance at all.   .

I have been consistent - I never supported Matfield - who buggered up royally when he came back from retirement or players like Alberts and co when they were below par in tests and even on provincial level.    I never said anything against Vermeulen ever - he deserved to be in the team.   The fact is I do not lie about actual performances like some site members do..   ,    .   .  

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