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2022 Springbok Attack Better than 2019 Team

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Nov 2022, 00:35
#1
27 Nov 2022, 00:35#1

Since the Boks won the world cup, opposition teams have gotten better at breaking the Bok defence and scoring tries. 
Then, in periods of Bok forward domination, the Boks were not scoring enough points due to a sputtering attack.

South African URC teams are now running the ball better than at any time in SuperRugby.
All of our teams can play XV man rugby and capitalise on periods of forward domination with a multi-faceted attack.

Yet, the Boks continued 2019 tactics. 
When the kick and chase box kicks weren't working, the Boks had a toothless attack.
Now the Boks are turning the corner, and the attack is starting to get very good. 

Willie Leroux has been a revelation Faff is back in form. Willemse is good on attack, even if flyhalf is not his best position. 

Libbok has brought his URC form into the Boks and is a very good passer on both sides. 

Even with Kriel at the centre, AM will be back next year bringing another dimension on the attack. 
Kolbe and his clone Andrense will score tries when they are being given more opportunity. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
27 Nov 2022, 00:42
#2
27 Nov 2022, 00:42#2

This team is worse. I couldn't even begin to look at video to support that assertion. We are right back where we were in 2018, the same loose running with the only new wrinkle in the formula a slightly flatter structure. If teams give us space, fine. If not, we fold. This is probably the most erratic and flimsy Bok attack I've seen in all my life. At least in the early 00s we hot with force. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Nov 2022, 01:26
#3
27 Nov 2022, 01:26#3

Sure, Mary Contrary. I suppose if I had said the attack was worse than 2019, you would be able to prove that 2022 has a better attack...

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
27 Nov 2022, 01:43
#4
27 Nov 2022, 01:43#4

We can go through the game frame by frame. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2022, 06:31
#5
27 Nov 2022, 06:31#5

L' Grande Merde

You going through a game frame by frame is a joke in bad taste.   You have n o idea about rugby at all.       

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2022, 06:47
#6
27 Nov 2022, 06:47#6

SB

I think there is still a problem here and there in the team that would improve it and the improvement will be some streamlining still to be done in 2023, but it depends on issues such as whether -

*    hopefully Le Roux will retain his present form at full back next year;

*    Kolbe replacing Mapimpi on the wing;

*    either Am or Willemse play at 13;

*    Pollard recover from injury and stop playing like he did at flyhalf in 2021 and 2022;

*     the situation at scrumhalf is resolved;

*     Du Toit comes back at 7 and Roos plays at 8 - both are good links in backline play. 

I am not happy with Pollard at flyhalf - he was in poor form this year - he i still not the player he was in 2019 -  players should not be selected on reputation - but on actual performance.    

Amongst the tight 5 forwards Thomas Du Toit is a problem to be solved in 2023 and I still think that Mostert is not a player to be retained,    For the rest the Tight 5 is top class.   

          

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Nov 2022, 09:55
#7
27 Nov 2022, 09:55#7
Shark just ignore Doos he is a fucking irritation
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
27 Nov 2022, 10:52
#8
27 Nov 2022, 10:52#8

It's a pity we didn't score more tries with the opportunities we had, but we were much better....Hope Rassie can keep his head in the game now, after having  "Constructive " talks with WR and build on this Attack Dimension....Willemse is doing better in the 10 position, but Libbok should be there and Willemse either 12 or 13...and Arendse is a very dangerous Runner and he must get more ball.....Roos is still finding his feet but a solid performance.....the bomb squad and off course eben were very good.....Mostert as per usual, were solid  saving us jet again a 5 pointer with a magnificent tackle....DDA was ok but why Jessica is there I don't understand that logic??

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Nov 2022, 12:23
#9
27 Nov 2022, 12:23#9

Seems like the oaks are swinging back to Rassie this week. They bob up and down like a yo yo. Unstable in all their ways! 

Poor Alucard is all at sea as usual. I hope he spares us his long winded frame by frame erroneous reports! I much rather see Rassie's videos on ref errors. 

I though Saturday's ref was okay. The Red card was very unfortunate as it was clearly accidental as Thomas collected that England players head in his face as well. It all happens so fast. Rugby is a contact sport and these things must be taken into account before ruining test matches tens of millions are watching. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Nov 2022, 12:24
#10
27 Nov 2022, 12:24#10

Strange to see oy sharkbokmie getting it right. But great post there oak! 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
27 Nov 2022, 22:01
#11
27 Nov 2022, 22:01#11

The Boks now have developed depth in many positions, which should help cover injuries and ensure the bomb squad is strong. 

Backline:

Scrumhalf, flyhalf and inside centre, wings and fullback are covered.
Outside is a concern if AM is injured

Pack:
Most positions have depth. Maybe a specialist fetcher at 6.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Nov 2022, 14:16
#12
28 Nov 2022, 14:16#12

Since the Boks won the world cup, opposition teams have gotten better at breaking the Bok defence and scoring tries.

No. Defending like attacking means playing rugby. SA rugby do not aim at playing rugby, they aim at not playing rugby and preventing the other team from playing rugby.


South African URC teams are now running the ball better than at any time in SuperRugby.
All of our teams can play XV man rugby and capitalise on periods of forward domination with a multi-faceted attack.

Rugby games leave marks. A human body can only endure that much of corporal damage.

Leagues are long compared to test series. Players can not afford putting their body on the line as much as they can during test series.

SA rugby teams certainly do not run the ball any better. The games only demonstrate that players may go to games in a much relaxed way. Then leaving more openings.

Only a few league games are played with the same committment as a test game.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
28 Nov 2022, 14:56
#13
28 Nov 2022, 14:56#13

Your insights, as usual, are greatly appreciated The Traditionalist. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Nov 2022, 19:00
#14
28 Nov 2022, 19:00#14

That is not the goal but if that is the case, well, that is given free of charges. No gold, no wealth to be shipped away.

Christmas before Christmas.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Nov 2022, 19:35
#15
28 Nov 2022, 19:35#15

The world has been exporting South African human resources for years now...and I'm not talking about slaves...doctors, engineers,  lawyers, rocket scientists and computer geniuses ...rugby and cricket players...net exporters of excellence...and the haters are in agony...lekker.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
28 Nov 2022, 20:25
#16
28 Nov 2022, 20:25#16

We don't have a half back pairing. We don't have a recognised alternative to Pollard. We don't have a partner for Eben. We don't have an established loosen trio. Our centres are a mess. The only settled part of the team are the front rowers and the back three (for now). It has the same feel as the Straeuli era. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
28 Nov 2022, 20:43
#17
28 Nov 2022, 20:43#17

Boks can be better yes....our structured backline attack needs attention and only then will we be able to use our opportunities on match day to the max ....counter attack and individual brilliance should not be the only eggs in our arsenal Basket....our Forwards is going Forward....the way Frans folded Vunipola is massive pressure + Power.....the rest of forward guys to Especially Eben,  what a load this Guy takes on.....Mostert quietly always bringing his best......Kollisi also as Captain and Vital Tackles was good against England.....Orie needs more Practice....we sure has hell have the player talent....not to even  mention the Young Guns.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
29 Nov 2022, 19:39
#18
29 Nov 2022, 19:39#18

We have a very vulnerable defence. We rarely dominate the gainline on both attack or defence. We are carrying too much dead wood. One rugby recovers from its slump we are set to be left for dust. The time to strike is now. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Nov 2022, 20:27
#19
29 Nov 2022, 20:27#19

"We don't have a half back pairing. We don't have a recognised alternative to Pollard. We don't have a partner for Eben. We don't have an established loosen trio. Our centres are a mess"

And yet we are competitive against all the teams we play...my chalice is more than half full...you must learn to recognize and enjoy the success e have and stop looking for reasons to downplay our achievements. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
29 Nov 2022, 20:58
#20
29 Nov 2022, 20:58#20

Competitive against who? One test against England, 35 minutes against Italy, and one test against Australia. That's hardly top tier credentials. We haven't beaten a team who played well. The last would have been New Zealand in Wellington. Though, NZ made a lot of mistakes that day. Under Erasmus we are not capable of top tier rugby. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Nov 2022, 21:19
#21
29 Nov 2022, 21:19#21

You missed the matches vs Ire and France?

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
29 Nov 2022, 21:50
#22
29 Nov 2022, 21:50#22

The Boks were poor against France and Ireland. 

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