So explain Northampton beating them then
Willie - a Bok
Moodie - a Bok
Goosen - a Bok
Papier - a Bok
Wessels - a Bok
Grobelaar - a Bok
Wilco - a Bok
Cobus Wiese - about to be a Bok
v Staaden - a Bok
Nortje - a Bok
Coetzee - a Bok
Aker - a Bok
11 Boks plus 1 to be capped within a month and let’s face it David Kriel should be a Bok and lock JF v Heerden will be a Bok soon
The Boks beat the Lions
Case closed
Correction let’s get current:
Willie a Bok
Moodie a Bok
Wessels a Bok aspirant
Wilco a Bok
Nortje a Bok
Wiese a Bok
Van Staden a Bok
That makes 7 Bools in a 45 man Bok squad…..vs 10 Lions in a 38 man Lions team…12 equivalents if we add Barrett and Snyman. And of your team of current Boks and aspirant Boks, exactly one player Wilco, was in our last serious test against England last November. The Bools’ Boks are largely yesterdays men and a few unproven youngsters.
And we narrowly beat the Lions at home….the Bools played Leinster away with 6 days and 12 hours of flying time to prepare.
Game, set and match. Get over your WDS!
Here goes reality
Porter, Sheenan and Lowe are the only Leinster players that will start for the Lions
vd Vlier and Ringrose might make the bench
Id expect us to only just beat the Lions - so what we beat them
Flight and 6 days is a piss poor excuse
But most importantly you keep avoiding the key question, how did Northampton manage to beat them?
Answer that question
Simples, it was an upset:
‘This competition has seen a few remarkable results over the years but few to match this sweetest of Saints days. Maybe Leinster thought that a fourth successive Champions Cup final appearance was a formality against supposedly outgunned English opposition. If so they were made to pay a heavy price with a triple whammy of tries from Tommy Freeman.’
Just as it would have been an upset if the Bools beat Leinster. You keep making my points for me…gracias!
And perhaps this will help you understand the effects of travel:
Ah an upset lol
Using travel as an excuse in this day and age is equally laughable
Bottom line is Jake’s pathetic defeatist attitude had his team losing the game before they even stepped onto the field
Travel is not an excuse, and even Jake didn't use it as an excuse. Yes it has an effect but both Munster and Glasgow won finals after travelling to SA with a one week turn around.
Yes, it does impact teams, but all teams face the same challenges. Finishing at the top of the tournament gives that team an advantage, which is fair since they earned it by winning the rounds. Teams that win the knockout league should always be given an advantage, like a seeding system.
‘It has an effect…but it’s not an excuse’. It’s a handicap, probably worth about a try if you believe the research. Obviously it can be overcome, the examples you cite. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t a factor.
Have you accepted a team with 12 Lions level players if you include Snyman and Barrett has an advantage on a team that has one player who made the last Bok match 23.
And when you add the 5 point travel handicap, it was a hard ask.
Are these simple facts which apparently eluded you coming into focus?
Nope there are 11 Boks in the Bulls side and only 3 of the Leinster are certain starters
The Boks beat the Lions
Northampton beat Leinster
The travel these days means fuck all as Glasgow and Munster proved
Look no further than Jake with his defeatist attitude that gave his side no chance
Yet the Irish beat the Boks….down goes Dave in flames…hahaha,
And the Boks beat the Irish
Nope since the 2019 WC Ireland lead 3 games to 1, having played 2 of the 4 games in South Africa and only 1 in Ireland……hahahaha, flames Dave, down in.
That’s a long time ago
It has nothing to do with Leinster thumping the Bulls who were beaten by Northampton a few weeks ago proving that a side with less test players in its ranks is more than capable of winning
Whether Moart likes it or not under Easmus's coaching the Springoks one multple trophies uder White it as not so. Fact remains that no teams coached by White since 2007 no trophies were won.
After the previous week's game against the Sharks I thought the chance of the Bulls beating Leinster was remote, as I said on the Sharks string. I could already see the type of game they were going to play. They never backed themselves. If you go in expecting defeat, at least give it a proper shot and go down swinging. Many giants have been slayed in this game. Think of little Despatch smashing the Springbok and Northern Transvaal studded Tukkies in the 1985 club final.
Well that was all thanks to bloody Jake telling everyone he was so envious of the Leinster side and that his side had no chance it hell
It was pathetic to listen to - that defeatist attitude will have rubbed off on the players
His players having heard that pathetic post match rant by Joke White will be filled with confidence the next time they face Leinster - they might as well concede that game now
Looks like Jake could be on his way out and it's in part linked to the comments he made after the defeat to Leinster.
Jake just doesn't have staying power. It appears my assessment of him keeps ringing true - get him in to fix a mess, but let him go after 2 years. That's about when he peaks before the backroom shenanigans and conflicts kick off.
Indeed Pakie...he's got a fine rugby brain, but his people skills sucks...the umpteenth player revolt and at the bools nogal...
In reply to the email I recently received, I'm fine, thank you for asking after me.
I'm posting this reply here because this thread was the last straw for me.
I know we have a lot of insults and bickering on this board - and yes, I've contributed my fair share - but the one saving grace used to be these match threads, where we'd put that stuff aside and actually enjoy watching and commenting on rugby.
That was until Moffie made his appearance on this thread. Just scroll back and compare the comments and the banter before Moffie started posting and after he arrived.
I remember thinking, I come to this board to talk about rugby and to enjoy the game with like-minded rugby fans, not the attention-seeking of a self-important, boastful, childish x-squared-integrating, biased and ignorant old drunkard . . . or to explain to him that in the past, posters like Blob have actually requested that we include scores on these match threads . . . or to point out his stinking hypocrisy, given that many other posters make very similar comments to my own.
Then Moffie's fawning and grovelling little Alpha-Gimp started shrieking and . . . well, let's just say this thread killed the board for me.
I may return one day . . . we'll see.
Well, RooiNuts, I can bring up requests from myself where i encouraged, pleaded with you, to make at least some posts were the goal wasn't an attack on someone. In case you forgot, attacks were the vast majority of what you were doing here anyway.
As someone who, unintentionally but on some level at least, keeps track of players in and out of favour with different board members, your file on the mental hard drive was a lot emptier than most. Cos that's how little you spoke about rugby.
Anyhoos, when you've calmed down, I'd like to hear your take on what transpired this season with the Boks. We disagree on the a lot of things but you and I both agree on what a superstar Willemse is. I know you were screaming at your TV while he was tearing the ABs up in Wellington...and I know that thinking of it now brings a smile to your face ;)
I said so on another thread, but I'll say it here too. That performance from him was a defining one for himself and, just as importantly, for the Boks. Sacha did superbly against the Argies, but I feel like that performance from Gaza was the one that said, in the most certain terms "This is how we should be playing!"
Rudehole, never thought I'd ever say this, but this place is poorer with you gone. You are a proper d!ckhead most of the time, but this place is even more out of sync with you absent...glad to see you didn't fall out of a hotel window or something.
Hoor Hoor DB. Well said that man.
@Rooi, Glad to read you are keeping well.
Rooi you are spot on about Moffie and Buttplug - two complete parasites
Good to hear you are well and fuck me this place is a lot lot poorer without you
I often think what’s the point of me being here as there is very little that is rugby related and when it is it’s the same fucking shit - Rassie is kak, PSDT, DA are kak, the Boks only win because of luck and weak opposition
If I lived in SA and was in the company of my SA friends where rugby conversations abound, I would not bother with this board but unfortunately it’s one of my only SA rugby outlets. But in reality it’s a very sad outlet but you make it a better one so please return
I miss you on here bud
@Dave,
I find myself agreeing with you a lot lately which is worrying, therefore, tsek man, DdA IS kak. Rassie good.
PSDT still a force. We were exceptionally lucky to win those 3 one point games.
"We were exceptionally lucky to win those 3 one point games."
Absolute hogwash.
Writing it off as luck instead of crediting Rassie with instilling a never-say-die winning attitude is shortsighted and downright disrespectful.
Rassie was no "luckier" than our other RWC-winning coaches Kitch Christie and Jake White.
All this talk of Rassie being lucky and the red card or Pollard's kicking being the only reasons we won is because of one loud-mouthed rugby noob getting it spectatularly wrong about Rassie and some of the players and not being man enough to admit it. That's all it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
Those posters who like to pamper that rampant ego and who remain so disrespectful for what the Springboks have achieved these last few years are best left to their pathetic little fantasies and their squealing about luck and whatever else . . . while the rest if us enjoy what is already a Golden Era for Springbok rugby.
Let this negative and biased collection of rugby noobs, dullards and suck-ups wail away. It's actually quite funny . . . especially when you recognise the reason they do it.
LOL, there he is.
"I often think what’s the point of me being here as there is very little that is rugby related and when it is it’s the same fucking shit - Rassie is kak, PSDT, DA are kak, the Boks only win because of luck and weak opposition"
Oh please, you absolute mongrel.
Anybody that doesn't agree with your often stupid takes, is immediately sworn at and belittled.
Not only are you one of the most stupid people I've ever encountered, you're probably the most emotionally retarded.
Wooosh
Buttplug preaching about stupidity when the retard completely misses my point
Listen here you worthless cunt - that hole I spoke about - go jump in it and get your ugly girlfriend to do us all a favour and fill it with concrete
Spot on Rooi dumb fucking Moffie and co are so consumed by their anti Rassie that their best attempts at discrediting him is through luck, weak opposition and apparently the best Bok squad ever or when legends of the game voice their opinions in favour of the coach or players that’s them politically pleasing SA rugby
That’s how fucking desperate these clowns are. It’s sooooo fucking embarrassing but they are seriously too fucking stupid to realise it
Bottom line is they are not true Bok supporters
You bunch of hypocrites make me sick.
Rooinek, you’ve been attacking people on this board for years, it’s literally what you do. Now you suddenly play the poor victim? Don’t make me laugh.
You’ve dished out more abuse than anyone and now that someone finally calls you out, you cry about “toxicity”? Please, man, take your drama somewhere else.
And as for you, David Searle or “Saffolk” as you call yourself, you’re the biggest fake of the lot. You swear, insult, and defame people non-stop, but now you’re pretending to care about “rugby discussions”?
You thrive on stirring kak. You’ve never been about rugby, you just come here to attack people and pat yourself on the back. Fuck you! You a bitter old man hiding behind a keyboard.
You two are the reason this forum turned to garbage, along with the Lunatic cheerleaders like Clevermike, Beeno.
Draad you not that bad, but tend to sit to much on the fence.
Also in the past you have Ganged up with these scoundrels to back stab….that’s not nice and doesn’t suit you:)
You’re all so far up your own backsides and self righteous, you can’t even see how divided and toxic you’ve made this place.
The rest of us — Moz, Plum, Pakie, me, Blob, DA, AJH ( forgive me if I forgot any of the normal people, consider yourself added)
We give normal, balanced criticism. We talk rugby without worshipping Rassie Erasmus like he’s some kind of messiah.
You made your bed, now lie in it!! Stop pretending you’re the victims. The only victims here are the people who actually came to talk rugby while you were busy poisoning the forum with your fake outrage and constant personal attacks!!
"Buttplug preaching about stupidity when the retard completely misses my point"
Or did you miss the point I was making.
That someone as reprehensible as yourself should probably not be discussing the actions of others when they pale in comparison to the lowlife and braindead shit you spew.
I find this all pretty amusing.
I thought South Africa were both lucky and also fully deserving to win the World Cup.
There was many small things that went South Africa's way in some games. For example France hit the crossbar with a penalty kick. It's not like Rassie coached his players not to give a penalty two inches closing to their try line, because that was all the difference between winning and losing that match.
But that's not a knock against South Africa and it doesn't mean they were not deserving winners. Even the good teams need a bit of luck from time to time, but luck alone will not win you a world cup, you also have to be very good.
Mpuff you are so fucking stupid I’m not even going to bother
As thick as a plank
Buttplug you never had a point or if you did it was pointless but it’s a big fucking whooosh for you
One has to love how much you point fingers about how stupid people are only to fucking demonstrate that your stupidity exceeds any accusations you dish out
The measure of a fucking dumb twat is one that points fingers while himself, incapable of setting a standard of intelligence to measure up to.
Classic case of dumb and dumber with the author being the dumber
"But that's not a knock against South and it doesn't mean they were not deserving winners. Even the good teams need a bit of luck from time to time, but luck alone will not win you a world cup, you also also have to be very good."
Well, there's the nuance that Fattex is too thick to understand.
Saying there was more luck involved than there would have been had the Boks won each game by more than 20 points...that's way too philosophical a statement for his Neanderthal brain.
Any talk of luck means it's all luck and the Boks are undeserving.
I shit you not, this is the kind of binary brain mush thinking that this complete idiot engages in and all he's capable of.
‘Pompus’……hahaha….I had forgotten that hilarious spelling error. But I was wrong to point out to Pompus that we didn’t need to read that a player missed a conversion, being on the string and commenting meant we were also watching the game. Where I was wrong was that I assumed he could add some insight or opinion of interest to proceedings.
Come, go, stay Pompus…..I couldn’t care less..
I thought South Africa were both lucky and also fully deserving to win the World Cup.
Nice post, and I completely agree with you
Even that Kolbe charge down against France for that conversion would probably have lost us the world cup then already, had he not done it, we just don't and won't know...
The Boks, as a team, fully deserved to win that world cup, but they certainly also had luck on their side in the process of doing it as well.