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34 year old Gerrrard is still the best Liverpool player

Started by Mozart19 REPLIES282 VIEWS· 10 Dec 2014, 00:57
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 00:57
#1
10 Dec 2014, 00:57#1

....what a stunning penalty.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 01:30
#2
10 Dec 2014, 01:30#2
 I think my son might just laugh at that statement 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 03:08
#3
10 Dec 2014, 03:08#3
I suppose he likes Sterling....what a waste of space. Liverpool was Louis Suarez and since he left mouthguard and all, they are simply ordinary. There are great players and then there are hyped youngsters.
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
10 Dec 2014, 06:22
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10 Dec 2014, 06:22#4
 Mozart, you can and probably do know way more about rugby than me!
But, football's my sport and Liverpool are my club and I can safely say that you're talking nonsense mate.
Gerrard is still an important player, no doubt, but he's an important squad player, most Liverpool fans agree that he's lost his legs and that Rodgers needs to get rid of sentimentality and player a more dynamic central midfield.
Also, as shocking as Liverpool have been this season and believe me we have been, don't let that cloud your vision on Sterling - the boy's a stunning talented and he's on of the only sparks that this team has.
Also, when you're calling free kicks - penalties, then you probably shouldn't be commenting on the sport at all
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
10 Dec 2014, 07:18
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10 Dec 2014, 07:18#5

Just another failed attempt to big up old players.


Mozart, I has a very interesting conversation with a football fan the other day, we were discussing old players, what he said made a lot of sense.


Old experienced players don't often play the full 90 minutes in football, but are brought on as subs in the last 10-15 minutes to see if they can use all that experience they have and play at their full potential for a short period of time.


otherwise they cannot perform at their peak.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 07:21
#6
10 Dec 2014, 07:21#6
I think it's true that Gerrard isn't quite the player he was, even back last year when he made that disastrous back pass blunder. But  he is still capable of outstanding individual bits of skill that transcend the ordinary players around him. To me Sterling looks like the next in an endless string of British youngsters who are supposedly going to be great, but simply don't have the horsepower. 
As for my credentials, I'm not a soccer fanatic, but I have been following the sport since 1970. I had a box at Tottenham for two years in the eighties, and watched a fair bit. So be a nice chappie and let me have my say.
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
10 Dec 2014, 07:33
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10 Dec 2014, 07:33#7
 Of course he's produces moments of outstanding skill, things like passing, dead ball specialism will never leave you but when he plays the whole 90 he's a liability because you can't rely on having a good right foot. Biltongbek raises a fantastic point; Gerrard for 90 minutes is a liability, Gerrard for 20 or 30 minutes at the end of a game is top class, he can throw everything at the game without worrying about conserving energy. It's a premise that can be used for most older players. Btw, I'm not one of these anti old players, I do still think they are important.Also, regarding Sterling, he's nothing like the previous hyped up potential in England. Him and Oxlade Chamberlain are definite talents, Sterling especially has unreal strength for such a little guy and he'll definitely make more of his career than previous hyped up youngsters.Also, I'm happy you're a football fan too, I hope you're telling the Americans to call if football too! I was just correcting you regarding the gerrard comment 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 07:49
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10 Dec 2014, 07:49#8
I stand corrected. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Dec 2014, 08:08
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10 Dec 2014, 08:08#9
 Mozart has a serious hang-up about age of players in any sport - especially rugby.   He refuses to recognize a basic fact of life - that aging of sportmen and women influences their perofrmances.
So he hunts around in the sports news department to find examples which he can use to jutify his support of sports geriatrics - and anything goes in that regard.   The string is endless:-
*    Thorn in the 2011 WC playing at lock at 38years of age - irrepective of the fact that he did not put in really credible performances - his age ws all that counts.
*    The fact that theso-called Strongest Man in the World is a 39  year-old.
*    The constant endless praising of Botha - writing an unbelievable praise-song on his performances in the Scotland test last year - only to be told that Botha's performance was way below par in that test.     Botha's sub-par performances continued in subsequent test and in the end the player himself found that he couldnot compete anymore against youngerplayers and quitted the international sceme.   Mozart to the end denied allegationsthat Botha was puttingin sub-par performances.  
*     Now this story about soccer players.
All the above is used to support his stand in support of the oldest players in the rugby test squad and essentially Matfield and a string of over 30 years of age players.   The sick part is that his support is not based  on the performances of the siad players in tests - matter of fact some eprformances are sub-par and definitely not acceptable - but on the issue of age and experience - in other world his criterum for selection remains reputation - nothing else.
It may be a thing generally found in older people - however I myself ignores it - and that is to hang onto the past like glue and hope the glories of the past remains intact for ever.    We all know that things change - but the people like Mozart will fight change with all in their power - as if that would make them not aging themsleves.      
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 13:08
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10 Dec 2014, 13:08#10

I will ask my son who he thinks the best players are, he loves his football.....but I know while he rates the old man, he also says he is not the player he used to be given his age......another old man playing a young mans game

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Dec 2014, 13:14
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10 Dec 2014, 13:14#11
Moffie doesn't support Spurs. Some years ago I asked him a few basic questions about Tottenham players and he couldn't answer one. He'd never even heard of Glenn Hoddle and he was talking about White "Heart" (sic) Lane.

PS The above comment was posted before Saffex edited his post and removed the comment about Moffie supporting Tottenham Hotspur.

PPS Gerrard is a pale shadow of the player he once was and g uys like Coutinho and Lallana should be starting ahead of him. I do however think that Brendan Rogers made a big mistake trying to convert Gerrard into a holding midfielder rather than leaving him in his best role as an attacking midfielder. Whatever recent return to form we're seeing from Gerrard has been since he got pushed further forward again.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
10 Dec 2014, 13:31
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10 Dec 2014, 13:31#12
 Gerrard has been poor this season so far, just look where Liverpool are in the BPL. Sterling has been poor finishing this season but everything else he's been fantastic in, the lad needs a rest though to get his head straight.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 13:40
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10 Dec 2014, 13:40#13
My son is the Spurs supporter  
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Dec 2014, 13:47
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10 Dec 2014, 13:47#14
Moffie did once claim to be a Spurs supporter but not since I quizzed him about a few basic Spurs facts that any supporter would know and the doddering old fool started sputtering and backtracking.

LMAO!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 13:49
#15
10 Dec 2014, 13:49#15
Ha ha.......all I know is that my son is a very frustrated Spurs supporter  
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Dec 2014, 14:03
#16
10 Dec 2014, 14:03#16
That makes two of us. This Argie coach is rubbish. I think Spurs got him because Southampton did so well under him last year but look how well they're doing this season without Pocchetwatto or half of their stars from last season.

We got a lemon! Bring back Harry I say . . . or even better, bring back Glenn!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Dec 2014, 14:42
#17
10 Dec 2014, 14:42#17
When it comes to football, I don't know who is who......I used to take note when I took part in the firms fantasy league but that was many years ago  
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sharkbokCaptain23,290 posts
10 Dec 2014, 15:02
#18
10 Dec 2014, 15:02#18
Gerrard is another English player that looks ok at club level. However he is a proven failure at international level. 
He was part of the "golden generation" along with a host of other wasters including Frank Lampard, and the village idiot Rio Ferdinand. A bunch of overpaid loud mouth chaves. One of the world cups was used to launch Lampard auto-biography, where he took a record amount of shot at goal. However most were from around his own half way line and were a joke in bad taste. 
This was a team that talked them up-selves up as winners before every tournament, only to lose to small countries with a mix of semi-professional players along with the local pub team players. (Macedonia and the Aztecs beat England........)
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
10 Dec 2014, 15:11
#19
10 Dec 2014, 15:11#19
Whilst England might have failed on the national stage, Gerrard, Lampard and Ferdinand were still great players.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Dec 2014, 16:08
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10 Dec 2014, 16:08#20

I didn't know who Glen Hoddle is....hahaha. I probably saw Hoddle play 30 games. I also saw Ardiles, Ray Clemence, Villa  and a host of others. I was at White Hart Lane when Spurs beat Anderlecht to win the UEFA Cup on penalties in 84.

 

 

How did all this happen to a rugby fan? Well the company I was running owned a piece of property on the North Circular, which the then owners of Spurs were keen to develop. We sold it to them in a deal which had us move our headquarters into a new building they were finishing.

 

After the negotiations were done on the big pieces, they threw in a box at Spurs at a low rate. We thought it would be a lark, took the offer and used it to entertain customers from round the country, when their teams were at Spurs. It was a painless and very effective way for us to meet with our best customers, and I was only 37 so I still had lots of energy for the customer stuff.

 

Feeling like a big fool again RooiAAAS ....you should.

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