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A blinkers off look at the Springboks….worth reading

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2021, 02:20
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22 Sept 2021, 02:20#1

‘So, it took nearly two months for the world champion Springboks to lose their number one tag since they started playing rugby again.


Holding onto their truncated Rugby Championship title is also looking highly unlikely as the All Blacks only require a losing bonus point to win back the silverware.

Although many in South Africa are “shocked” the Springboks have been humbled at the hands of Australia, this is who they are and have always been. Only time was required to unwind the notion that they are any different.


When have they ever travelled well, particularly to Australia? When have they ever been dominant over a full Test year in the modern era? Perhaps the 2013 side was the last one, despite losing twice to New Zealand in that year.

For this current group, when have they ever put together a prolonged run?

The statement Lions series started with a first up loss in their opening Test as champions, which, to their credit, they fought back from to win the series. Was it convincing? Not in the slightest.

It is unfortunate the way these players have been built up to something they are not and cannot live up to, and now they have been torn apart by their own quite quickly.


They were 50 percent in 2018, with seven wins and seven losses. It only took two wins out of three games to take the truncated Rugby Championship the next year.

The tier one sides they beat at the World Cup were Italy, an injury-ravaged Wales, and England on the final day. Japan, not receiving official tier one recognition from World Rugby, were their quarterfinal opponents.

They are 25 percent against the All Blacks since 2018, having won one from the last four, but all of a sudden they are supposed equals?

This side was suddenly billed as a great one on the back of a nice tournament run. The fallacy with the World Cup is that it is the be all and end all and ultimately determines the best side in the world.


In reality, putting together a winning record of at least 80 percent in a non-World Cup Test season is magnitudes more difficult and a far greater achievement, but it would never get the credit it deserves.

What is harder, playing Japan, Wales and England over three consecutive games, or facing the British and Irish Lions three times, then playing Argentina, Australia and New Zealand twice each, followed by Wales, Scotland and England on an end-of-year tour?

South Africa’s 2021 season is a far greater ask than their World Cup campaign in every way, shape or form, even more so because they had to prove they were the best this time.

In 2019, they didn’t have any great expectations placed on them. Even in the final, England wore the favourites tag after knocking out the All Blacks. Flying under the radar provides less pressure.

The weight of expectation is a heavy burden to carry, which we can see has lumbered these Springboks.

At every turn the players look to the ref for answers, pleading for calls to go their way. They act confused when they don’t, brows furrowed, hands in the air, heads shaking.

The negative body language on the field is plain as daylight to see. They just can’t believe that call just went against them.

You wonder if Rassie Erasmus’ example has set in the rot. The moment he made it all about the ref, the players got a green light to do the same. Can they be held accountable for ill discipline now when they can just question the ref’s call?

There are many Springboks out there who are obsessed with one man wearing white. That is where the answers lie. The ref isn’t seeing the right call. Why isn’t he seeing what I see?

We know this Springboks group have been obsessed with the officials since they admitted publicly they role-played interactions in team meetings during the World Cup.

They psychologically profiled the likes of Jerome Garces in order to actively seek to influence over him.

It is ironic that the Springboks themselves aren’t interested in a fairly officiated contest as they have been trying to swing calls their way the entire time through undue influence.

The All Blacks aren’t going to give a rats about the referee. They go out there to do what they do, and if it doesn’t work, they look in the mirror first and find something else that will.

The 100th test between the two great rivals has lost some of its lustre, although the game itself will no doubt be a quality affair as the Springboks will rise to the occasion. They absolutely have to.

Now that the pressure of being the best is off their shoulders, their backs are against the wall, their pride is swelling, their egos are bruised, they will come out full of heart and perhaps make a contest of it.

But, if this is what it takes to get the best of the Springboks – embarrassment, shame and losses – they were never mentally ready to be number one. Make no mistake, the Springboks can win this game, but the chance to make a statement has already past. The losses to the Wallabies show this side can’t rise for every challenge.

The number one team doesn’t wear the underdog tag, unfortunately. They wear expectations, and large ones at that.

The good news is it they are not as bad as they are being made out, but were also never as good as they were pumped up to be. Even a win against the All Blacks won’t change that now as the illusion has been well and truly dispelled.

It doesn’t feel right to call them world champions anymore, it should just be the World Cup holders from now on.

And hopefully the World Cup holders can show up to play the world’s number one team this week.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Sept 2021, 02:44
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22 Sept 2021, 02:44#2

A good article Moz. even if a little brutal. I still hope for two good games against the Boks . And by good ones I don't mean that crap Razamataz has been handing out.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2021, 02:54
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22 Sept 2021, 02:54#3

Well the author hedged his bets just in case the Springboks pull it off…..not inconceivable. Remember that great game at Ellis Park in 2013…..something like that with a better result.

Some on here bemoan Dud Toit’s absence…..but the player whose absence makes us ordinary is Kolbe.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Sept 2021, 03:02
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22 Sept 2021, 03:02#5

Yes, an outstanding wing can make a big difference by lifting the team.

QS
Queensland SupporterClub Pro115 posts
22 Sept 2021, 05:12
#6
22 Sept 2021, 05:12#6

I don't think the Boks are that bad.

It is more about - They are not as good as they thought they were and they seem to be going down a very bad track concerning referees - Rassie set the tone and the players are following.

And these sorts of activity are pissing off the rest of the rugby world - Stearing down the barrell of a total lack of respect by the rest of the rugby world.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
22 Sept 2021, 08:07
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22 Sept 2021, 08:07#7

SA are still the best team so far, regarding winning world cups in the amount of attempts

Anyway you look at that, there is no denying it

On the flip side, the AB's are consiste ntly always the better side in between world cups, just not at the world cup itself

Anyway you look at that, there is no denying it

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
22 Sept 2021, 08:59
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22 Sept 2021, 08:59#8

This is not a very good team, but could be significantly better. It's been going consistently south since day 1. But, as is the way, a couple of results seems to be enough to keep the masses happy. Saffers don't generally cope well with reality. How could they? They do, after all, live in SA, for the most part. That has serious psychological repercussions. José is the very first Bok coach to be totally unaccountable for any wrongdoing. It's quite remarkable. 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
22 Sept 2021, 09:53
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22 Sept 2021, 09:53#9

Excellent article.

Everyone is expecting the Goats to bounce back ... they usually do ... especially against the All Blacks.

We expected the same against the Wallabies last weekend.

 Not me. 

I think the All Blacks are on a mission. They want to show the world who they are ... and who the Goats aren't ... and I'm expecting a slaughter.

The Quota Goats are in for the high jump.

Goooooo All Blacks!!!!!

   


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
22 Sept 2021, 10:00
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22 Sept 2021, 10:00#10

"Saffers don't generally cope well with reality. How could they? They do, after all, live in SA, for the most part. That has serious psychological repercussions"

Stop projecting


PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
22 Sept 2021, 13:33
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22 Sept 2021, 13:33#11
Unfortunately most of this is true. Especially the bit about this year’s fixtures. A massive task to win. But let’s be honest most Tri Nations or Rugby Championships are a massive task. Flying around SA or over to Argentina! Far more difficult than a Rugby World Cup. Beating the top three teams usually.. Wallabies have dropped off. That’s what made Southern Hemispheres so tough and hard to beat. I wonder if moving the Boks up north has made them soft
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Sept 2021, 14:00
#12
22 Sept 2021, 14:00#12

" I wonder if moving the Boks up north has made them soft"

What do you mean by "moving the Boks up north"?

We haven't moved anywhere yet after being kicked out of Super Rugby....hopefully we'll gave a start to Pro 14  rugby this weekend. We've only had domestic rugby since the 2020 SR got canceled halfway through...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Sept 2021, 14:00
#13
22 Sept 2021, 14:00#13

We're not soft, were undercooked...it won't stay like that.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Sept 2021, 19:07
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22 Sept 2021, 19:07#14
Crap inaccurate article evidenced by the absolute bullshit that the Welsh side was injury ravaged That’s a lie - they were missing Liam Williams
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Sept 2021, 20:23
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22 Sept 2021, 20:23#15

Nope you are inaccurate…..this from a list of five most consequential WC injuries:

Another Welshman to go down, Anscombe tore his ACL in a warm-up match against England one month before the World Cup. As the chief operator behind Wales' 14-game winning streak which included a Six Nations Grand Slam in 2019, Anscombe was "the guy".

As a fly-half that could effectively run, distribute, and kick at a very high level, Anscombe gave Wales the X-factor they've been missing over the years. Had he been available for their run to the semi-final, who knows if they might have had enough in the tank to overcome the Springboks.

…..

Straighten up and fly right Dave.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Sept 2021, 14:26
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23 Sept 2021, 14:26#16
Anscombe is as average as they come. Biggar has been their go to for ages as he was the Lions 10 so try again Injury ravaged Welsh side my arse - biggest load of shit written yet On par with the utterly useless omelette telling us Kwagga is better than PSDT
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
23 Sept 2021, 14:34
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23 Sept 2021, 14:34#17

Pffffffffffftt! Gareth Anscombe!

The noob who had never heard of Robbie Henshaw trying to pretend he knows anything about the British sides!

LMAO!


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2021, 15:09
#18
23 Sept 2021, 15:09#18

Nope just quoting an article that listed the 5 most consequential injuries that impacted the WC.

Biggar lost Wales the WC semi final and was very poor in the Lions series. 

PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
23 Sept 2021, 15:16
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23 Sept 2021, 15:16#19
Dratt. Aren’t most of the Bok players based in Northern hemisphere teams? I’m pretty sure they all are. No Super Rugby for them to gauge the strength of SH rugby. I don’t consider SA as a Southern Hemisphere team for that matter. Considering they’re trying to wriggle into the six nations as well… Welcome back to Southern Hemisphere Rugby.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
23 Sept 2021, 15:46
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23 Sept 2021, 15:46#20
Anscombe, another kiwi transplant,kiwi helping out the poor wee Northern hemisphere ??
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
23 Sept 2021, 15:50
#21
23 Sept 2021, 15:50#21

Arsecombe was built into the next big thing in New Zealand, but he is another player that withered and died at higher levels of the game with less time and space.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Sept 2021, 16:47
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23 Sept 2021, 16:47#22
Anscombe is as average as they come Biggar never lost the Welsh anything There was no ways he was going to stop DA But more to the point - the Welsh side was NOT ravaged by injury in the WC, they were probably at 97% full strength which is about par for every side at a tournament
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
23 Sept 2021, 17:20
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23 Sept 2021, 17:20#23

Yes it was. They had at least seven injuries and lost a key member of their coaching staff. Anscombe was important to them. 

Here's the thing Sannex: You make bold claims, aggressively pushing them as facts, and then find you have painted yourself into a corner and can't back out. You are such a braggart you never ever learn from the painful and cringe-worthy experiences. 

Wales lost a lot of momentum in 2018 going into 2019. They struggled to cope with injuries, which exposed their lack of depth. This is considered a fact to those in the know involved with the game. You just won't accept it because it begins to chip away at José Erasmus, the clown anti-coach, and exposes this poor team for what everyone pretty much knew it was all along. Three key wins taped together the José narrative that was never true. It doesn't ever take much for Saffers to lie to themselves. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
24 Sept 2021, 13:32
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24 Sept 2021, 13:32#24

Good to see people can get paid writing obvious points.

SA as an unconvincing champion, SA lack of rugby reliance on reffing etc are all points made for long.

Even the media are crackling in their face, they can less and less protect SA rugby from being exposed.

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