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A question to the majority of you

Started by Saffolk 78 REPLIES1,623 VIEWS· 05 Sept 2022, 22:07
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Sept 2022, 22:07
#1
05 Sept 2022, 22:07#1
Why do you even bother supporting SA rugby and what possible enjoyment do you get from watching the Boks play The majority of you are so unbelievably negative about our players, the coach, the game plan etc so how on earth do you sit down and actually enjoy watching us play? There are very few of us on here who are eternally optimistic about our players, the coach etc I for instance rate 99% of the players at our disposal- my list of players I don’t rate I could count on one hand - the opposite applies to the majority of you championed by Moz So it’s a serious question, why do you bother supporting the Boks and how can you possibly enjoy watching their games when you dislike the majority of the side and in particular the coach Let’s not even get into provincial rugby where the anti extends even deeper It must be absolute hell being such a negative Bok supporter - fuck me we win WC’s get to number 1 and it’s the Boks had no opposition and the coach is still crap despite all the trophies Why do you fucking bother
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
05 Sept 2022, 23:04
#2
05 Sept 2022, 23:04#2

So... being a Block supporter is about being happy and rating 99% of players no matter what. Positivity? I never took you for a happy clappy! Fuck me.. there's a surprise around every corner! XD

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Sept 2022, 23:08
#3
05 Sept 2022, 23:08#3
My question was directed at the board members not an attention seeking ignorant twat You don’t count
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Sept 2022, 00:02
#4
06 Sept 2022, 00:02#4

Well Ex Saff... you're just gonna have to fucking deal with it... or stamp your feet like a little sniveling indignant child... 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
06 Sept 2022, 00:23
#5
06 Sept 2022, 00:23#5

This is Saffex's bitch? "It" follows him around like a puppy. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Sept 2022, 01:14
#6
06 Sept 2022, 01:14#6
Question for you Dave ….did we play much better yesterday? And if you agree, how could we have been wrong saying the Boks were undercooked in the first Aussie test.
Another question…..were we wrong complaining about the Pimp’s botched try in  the first test.
Were we wrong that even Dud Allende was much better yesterday, if far from perfect.
We have played a lot of horrible tests in the last 3 years….the Wallie WC game, the first Lions test,  the two tests against Oz last year, all the YE  tests last year, the first and second tests against the Wallies this year and the first Oz  test.  Generally we have been up for the ABs and done well against them.
Saying the Boks are better than up and unders and rolling mauls is not being a disloyal fan….it’s being a demanding fan that believes the team is capable of excellence.
Being happy with 99% of Bok players would be asinine. But in the current team you have been unhappy with Willie, Willemse, Wiese and Mostert….scarcely 1% of the team. And totally unhappy with Nienaber.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 06:59
#7
06 Sept 2022, 06:59#7

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!

Now you've gone and done it, Tit!!

You've just given yourself away.


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Sept 2022, 07:04
#8
06 Sept 2022, 07:04#8

"Ex Saf"?

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Sept 2022, 07:17
#9
06 Sept 2022, 07:17#9

You don't have to blindly agree with everything to be a supporter.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Sept 2022, 07:47
#10
06 Sept 2022, 07:47#10
With the ANC ultimately in control of team selection I've probably never been totally happy with any Bok team selected ............... but it is what it is, the players aren't to blame, they'll give their best & I'll remain Bokbevok.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Sept 2022, 08:15
#11
06 Sept 2022, 08:15#11

The problem here is that certain players never get any credit for their performances and the witches use "Do not want to see - so I did not see"  is the norm on site.   That is why experts - and I mean real experts decided on Du Toit as the Player of the Year in 2019 - while the lot on site moa ned about it.   

Some of the allegations made against players they do not like is total deception and even lies.   - so wat can one expect from members whose only idea is to run down players and never give them credit for anything.

The same with Erasmus and Nienaber.   Nobody moaned about the coaches when Meyer and Coetzee were around - now since Erasmus was appointed as Director of Rugby in 2017 the moans are constant and vicious. 

That is why I rarely write anything on sire anymore - the constant moaning is so stupid it is boring.      

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DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Sept 2022, 08:16
#12
06 Sept 2022, 08:16#12

CC I reckon you're onto something  Hahahaha

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 08:23
#13
06 Sept 2022, 08:23#13

Listen, Stupid ... unlike you, we see what's happening on and off the field.

We don't pretend all's good with the world.

Even though I'm a Bok supporter, I cannot in all honesty support them until ALL players are given a fair shake at playing for their country.

Rassie and his government's racist policies are unacceptable and I will cheer for every opposition the Boks face until this is corrected.

I will not compromise on this standard.

It's as simple as that.

You rate sub standard players ... you always have. Players that aren't even good quality club players make your list for Bok selection.

It's ridiculous!!

You've been doing it since the beginning of time.

Your lack of understanding and utter ignorance is astounding. One would think that you would have picked up a few things over the years.

I on the other hand prefer talented players taking up their rightful positions in the Bok mix ... irrespective of colour. 

You fabricate nonsense to justify your stupid ignorant pics. 

I don't.

I want the best of the best playing for the Boks ... not players of colour because I feel bad for the masses who were denied access years ago.

I could care less about their tearful demands.

The Bok comes first ... and second ... and third ... and everything else thereafter ... but not if there's race based selections set in place.

That doesn't work for me at all.



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 08:29
#14
06 Sept 2022, 08:29#14

Denny ... indeed.

All I'll say to him is ... "well played" ...

I'll leave it to him to come clean ... or not!.



DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
06 Sept 2022, 08:53
#15
06 Sept 2022, 08:53#15

Toooo funny......is all I'll say.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Sept 2022, 09:14
#16
06 Sept 2022, 09:14#16
……tick…tick…tick…
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 09:28
#17
06 Sept 2022, 09:28#17

Hmmmmm ?? ... isn't it ...  tick...tock...tick...tock ... ??



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Sept 2022, 09:40
#18
06 Sept 2022, 09:40#18

"Well Ex Saff... you're just gonna have to fucking deal with it... or stamp your feet like a little sniveling indignant child... "

Rudehole with some swearing mixed in....although Rooi always spelled snivelling with the the double "l".

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Sept 2022, 10:52
#19
06 Sept 2022, 10:52#19
It ain’t, Rooi. I think you’re letting your dislike of him cloud your judgement. For all his faults, Rooi is an honourable dude. He gives as good and maybe more than he gets, but he’s not a coward.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Sept 2022, 11:10
#20
06 Sept 2022, 11:10#20
Moz you miss my point - I have no issue with taking issue with poor performances, I do the same. My point is more the dislike of the majority of the players and Rassie as the coach now director I just can’t see how you can enjoy supporting the Boks when you dislike so many players and the coach You are wrong about the players you say I have issue with. I’m a huge fan of Willemse so not sure why he is on your list. I don’t like him at 10 but that does not equate to me disliking him. Same applies to Willie I have been his biggest fan. My call was for Gelant to replace him given his age and the fact that Gelant was simply sublime for the Stormers. But Willie is back to good form so I have no issue with him. Wiese is starting to prove me wrong, he is dumb muscle but it’s effective dumb muscle - he is strong and makes metres in traffic. But would I select him ahead of Roos, no way in hell. The only player I have real issue with is Mostert as I expect my Bok locks and blindside to have physical grunt. I also have issue with blind faith in hasbeens like Frans and Vermeulen - both brilliant in their day. As for Neinaber we all know he is not a head coach. I’m a huge fan of Rassie but for his track record of running once he has turned a side. You and so many on here have issues with so many players, hell the list is endless - Gelant, Fassi, Mapimpi, Nkosi, Kriel, de Allende, Jantjies, Jantjies, Reinach, Kitshoff, Ox, Dweba, Malherbe, Nyakane, Thomas, Lood, Kolisi and PSDT not to mention Rassie
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Sept 2022, 11:21
#21
06 Sept 2022, 11:21#21

Honourable is stretching things a bit...He's the only other poster I know who like's being a knob...that's the biggest tell for me, but I'm not convinced it's him either...someone is toying with us...most are deliberate "tells."...well played indeed.

BTW, I don't dislike Rudehole as much as you might think...I avoid people I detest...life is too short.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
06 Sept 2022, 11:33
#22
06 Sept 2022, 11:33#22

Look, this is a high performance sport, every fan has the right to be demanding and every fan has the right to ask questions. Yes,if we win ugly, it is a win. Rassie and Niena had their grace period. The first year was to get the ship back on track. We didn't have a perfect year and got beaten convincingly by the All blacks in the world cup, but got really lucky with the play-offs. Japan won their group, Ireland completely imploded who were one of the form teams and the Boks scraped past Wales. England blew their load against the All Blacks. I'd history is to go by anything. Any team that ever beat the Kiwis on the play-offs got beaten in the next match. 

Then covid hit and Rassie chickened out even though the core of the team was playing abroad and were match fit. 

We stayed in no 1 by simply not playing.

We won the Lions series and looks like their only focus was the world cup and lions series. 

Last year was a dissapointment as we lost 5 games. This year we have gotten even worse. Now all of a sudden we are building for the world cup, so it is okay to throw a few games. Not to mention all the contributions coming from the coaches. 

Our in form players got put into a scratch barbarians style game when we could have picked better. Selecting a player at 10 who only had 30 min of game time and hasn't played for 5 months. Pollard had been riding the pine. 

They selected so many out of form or old players all because they were part of the world cup and no coach want to be brutal and swing the axe. 

No evolution on the game. 

We should be putting 10 to 30 points on all the teams we played against. 

Yet, had it not been for injuries, we would never have selected a more rounded team. 

I'm not against players or coaches, but if you are kak for so long then we have the right to question. 

Don't let the world cup halo fool you. 

I am as hoping for a unbeaten run this year and prove our credentials and break the opposition, but we have given them self believe. 

We have lost our ground. 

Rassie is only a 55% coach based on 5 years in charge. We will just have to suffer until next year and lord knows who will take over. 

We need a coach with a 70% win record 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 11:47
#23
06 Sept 2022, 11:47#23

Signing on as a different alias isn't cowardly in my opinion.

Sometimes folks just want to have a little fun.

That's the case here.

I don't dislike Redneck at all.  

Whomever this dude is ... he's been on here for awhile now ... and we're still guessing his identity.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Sept 2022, 12:12
#24
06 Sept 2022, 12:12#24
There we go King, you speak utter shit about how lucky the Boks were and that Rassie has a record of 55% no he does not Neinaber is the coach Instead of praising the Boks you sit there speaking shit about Japan being easy when in fact they were sensational in the WC We dominated the AB’s in that first game but for some poor one on one lapses by Mapimpi rushing out We lost so many games after Rassie departed it’s a fact
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Sept 2022, 13:00
#25
06 Sept 2022, 13:00#25

Kingcorn stop talking shit about the Covid impact on the Springboks.  Erasmus was not the man who banned playing of any rugby for months - even on club level.   Rugby started oly being played two weeks before the start of tests and the players could not even without eprmission travel between Provinces. in SA.   In any event Erasmus was NOT the decisionmaker was not the decisionmaker in that case - it falls totally outside of his sscope of work.

             

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Sept 2022, 13:21
#26
06 Sept 2022, 13:21#26

Saffex, I deeply despise the fact that DDA is in the side.

DDA & BEE are my main gripes. I'm also not a Kirel fan though. And that's because both him and DDA have had a more than fair run, we've seen as much as we're gonna see from them, and i think we have better options with more potential. 

Draad, Rooi is honorable...in fact, too much sometimes. When we all complain about some obvious bad reffing, he hardly ever does. He takes a loss on the chin regardless of whether or not it was legit. Say what you like, but that is a type of honorable and more than I'm capable of. 


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 13:30
#27
06 Sept 2022, 13:30#27

Very nicely put, Korn.


Typical Stupid Dave 

It's one excuse after another.  

Facing reality is too difficult.

Truth is that we lucked our way to the WC trophy and falling from grace was inevitable.

We had a dismal win loss percentage before the world cup and that's continued this year.

It didn't just happen on it's own.

Rassie is to blame for it all.

His quota enforced selections ... the appointment of an affirmative action incompetent backline coach ... appointing a therapist as head coach ... selecting an incompetent captain and openside flanker ... alienating the powers that be with tearful video clips ... and now sulking in the corner because he was told that playing water boy was unethical.

Rassie has destroyed the Bok more so than any coach before him.

We need to look the problem dead in the eye and not deny its existence.

That's the only way we can move forward. 


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
06 Sept 2022, 13:55
#28
06 Sept 2022, 13:55#28

Look, if the boks start putting decent performances together and go on a winning run then I would say that we are back on track, but for the life of me, who on earth selects out of form players or those coming back from injury. I had doubts about Willemse and Hendrikse, but they have stood up really well. Even Sadsex agrees that Willemse is not a 10. 

However, the arrogance of the man and his sarcastic tweets. When Rassie is not in the box on match day, Nienaber falls below 60%. 

But also, lets be honest, both Wobblies and ABs are not the teams they once were. Ireland beat them twice on home soil, Argentina pulled it off too. 

Then Australia got beaten by England and then got clapped by the bargies. Now are the Bargies better, don't know yet. The only teams that pose a real threat are France and Ireland, with England not to far behind, but Eddie has been tinkering with his team and bringing young talent through. 

Rassie appointed Niena, his life long pal as his proxy coach. Why did he not just get a proper head coach and focus on the rest like a director of rugby should. Rassie is a dictator and only want yes men. I don't buy it that Rassie is not involved. Even Nick Mallet and many other believe that Rassie is coaching via cell phone. 

Niena selects a poor team and make stupid subs. 

Either Rassie step back in the ring or he needs to fire his buddy and get a decent head coach. 

We have now won 4 / 7 games.We should not have lost to Wales or lost to the ABs and Ellis park. Argies are a  mystery and won't know until then, but they have beaten Rassie before. Then we have Ireland, France and England. 

So 6 games left until the season is over. Italy doesn't really count to be honest. So 5, what will it look like. Are we going to be 6 / 12? 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Sept 2022, 14:00
#29
06 Sept 2022, 14:00#29

"Draad, Rooi is honorable...in fact, too much sometimes. When we all complain about some obvious bad reffing, he hardly ever does. He takes a loss on the chin regardless of whether or not it was legit. Say what you like, but that is a type of honorable and more than I'm capable of. "

I'm saying that's a stretch ...I don't want to bash him in his absence, but I  agree that he is true to his nature and it's not all bad....


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 14:47
#30
06 Sept 2022, 14:47#30

Absence?

Hmmmm ... I wonder?




MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Sept 2022, 14:57
#31
06 Sept 2022, 14:57#31

Kornkob, kornkob... you just can't see the forest for the trees eh? Poor little Blockies have now turned a corner... best pack in world rugby... all bullshit. Go watch the Kiwis and the 6 nations teams and see what power and attack really is. Saw nothing of it last weekend. Can't help tee yourself up for the big I told you so. Now the Kiwis have something going in the front row your lazy fatties aren't even the best in the rugby championship. All those inaccurate laboured passes... all the god awful lines of running, flab flopping around the breakdown. No kick... no attack. Nothing's changed. Face a team that is playing well and not shot in the dick by Player 16 and it turns to shit. It's gone on for so long you don't even know what good rugby looks like... none of you can tell. 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 14:59
#32
06 Sept 2022, 14:59#32

Redneck is simply misunderstood.

He's a complex being.

If he calls you a servile gimp ... it's him genuinely showing concern ... it said in love ... and with the deepest of respect ... all in the hope that you'll un-gimp yourself. 

He doesn't want you to embarrass yourself by bowing dow n to your fellow posters. He's trying to encourage you to grow a pair ... to be the man you were always meant to be.  

You should embrace his heartfelt plea ... and thank him for caring.

I really don't know what all the fuss regarding Redneck is about.

I'd have him over for a braai any day.



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Sept 2022, 15:20
#33
06 Sept 2022, 15:20#33

WTF! So wr've gone from an interrogation to a sausage party... well... count me out. Just promise me CC... you'll put something on the end of your boerwore before sharing with Redneck... with all this monkey pox shit you can't be too safe ad we know the boer tends to be a bit of a poof! Bwahahahhaa!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 15:53
#34
06 Sept 2022, 15:53#34

Sorry to disappoint you, Tit … but I don’t putt from the rough and if Redneck showed any interest in that while here as my guest, I’d sic my Great Dane on him.

Tail gunning at my braai is strictly forbidden.

Oh and ... with those saggy tits you most certainly are NOT invited.

I have my reputation to think of.

No offence.



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Sept 2022, 15:55
#35
06 Sept 2022, 15:55#35

How can you be so rude to Mrs Ex Saff, she's a free and easy lass, maybe even give you a freebie if you ask nicely (no teeth!). 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
06 Sept 2022, 17:02
#36
06 Sept 2022, 17:02#36

Most bloggers on this site would support a Springbok Team even if all 15 players of colour took to the field.

On merit.

It's not a colour issue its a situation of selecting the best players to represent the Springboks.

That holds good not only for the players but also the management team.

Many selected players have performed admirably for the national teams but some players have not.

Plus we all have our own views on players and coaches as can be seen on this forum and many posts are out of sheer frustration with selections or results.

You won't believe this but some bloggers even think that Elton and Puke are excellent rugby Springboks.

But in the end we all want the Springboks to win don't we?


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Sept 2022, 17:06
#37
06 Sept 2022, 17:06#37

AJ... your players are so shit that quotas don't factor. I thought Kits was the best 1 but got fucked over by the Ausies. It's not 2002 you retards... the whities are not the best like they used to be. I think the next gen yarpie is a grade A moron. The dumbest Blocks are white... not black. The worst Blocks are PREDOMINANTLY white... not BLACK. Wake the fuck up. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
06 Sept 2022, 17:58
#38
06 Sept 2022, 17:58#38

I never said the whites are better than the "Blacks" those are your words not mine.

Most if not all bloggers I would suggest support merit selection irrespective of colour.

No wonder that pretty Afrikaans girl you courted dropped you.

Get rid of the hate guy do something good.

Buy your mom a bra.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
06 Sept 2022, 18:06
#39
06 Sept 2022, 18:06#39

There's such a thing as a pretty Afrikaner girl? They are shrill voiced boorish bitches. Rose of rouge has no time for them. Mrs \Searle's chi-chis are Ex Saff'sresponsibility not mine. Unless the admin want them gone. Tried to start shit with me, but it's just pissed everyone else off. Rouge of Red winning nonstop.  

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
06 Sept 2022, 18:44
#40
06 Sept 2022, 18:44#40

Come now, Tit ... of course the whites are better than the black players.

Thats a no brainer. 

Go ahead ... pick your black starting 15 and Ill pick my white starting 15.

Stupid Dave already tried to sell us his "damn good" black team nonsense. 

He left with his tail firmly tucked. 

The black players are there because they complained about merit selections limiting their chances.

We were forced to make room for the poor dears.

There would be 1 ... maybe 2  blacks in the match 23 if merit selection applied.



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