A rugby poll . . .

A simple poll requiring a simple "A" or "B" response.

Even if you don't agree 100% with the A or B options, I refuse to believe you don't lean slightly toward one or the other so it's not absolute agreement, it's which one you lean towards. Here goes:

A: Pieter-Steph du Toit is a very average Springbok who can't beat tackles, only makes "process" tackles, can't fetch, can't compete in lineouts and is more deserving of ridicule than respect.

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B: Pieter-Steph du Toit is a great Springbok who always rises to the big occasions, a deserving recipient of the Player of the 2019 RWC tournament award, a deserving recipient of the Player of the final in the 2023 RWC final, a hard and inspirational player who is more deserving of respect than ridicule.

Again, you don't have to agree entirely with either assessment. If you're somewhere in the middle then it's the option you lean towards slightly more than the other.

Please respond. I'll collate the results right here in the OP. I have already updated the two well known responses.

mozart: A

Rooinek: B

Saffex: B

Plum: Spoiled Ballot

Blobbok: A

Kingcorn:

DbDraad: B

Sharkbok:

clevermike: B

Denny: B

Devil's Advocate: B

Mpower: B

Pakie: A

Chippo:

AJH:

Beeno1:

Flashdakota:

becs: B

Black&Red: B

moolaa: B

If I've forgotten you or or if you're only an occasional poster or a lurker then feel free to add your vote.

If non-Springbok supporters like becs, Stavanger1, moolaa, Black&Red or anyone else I've forgotten would like to have their say then please feel free to add your vote, your opinions are just as valid if not more so because they're unbiased.

A, minus the obvious negative extremes.

Can we please leave the comments until everyone has voted?

For now it's just an A or B response required.

B

Keep voting, I'll update again tomorrow.

Defiiitely  B    = Mozart hates Du  Toit from 2014 when we said Matfield is a not up to standard anymore and they should look at  Du toit as a lock.    He started doing injury repoorts om Du Toit in 2015  hope that eh would be ouit of rugby for the year.    Heuyneke Meyer thads no idea what he was doing. - but when another squad playr could not play - Alberts Meyr in his idiocy decided to use D u T ot at 97 - where he played a few rinmes in the 2012 Under 20 WC - but never ever afterwards.   He did not do well and Mozart went bananas    Since them his malicious attacks on Du Toit kept inceasing .   Du Toit live entire free in his head.

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B

A…could you include Dud Allende in the question as well. Thanks. Oh and please add ‘can’t  break tackles and gain hard yards’ in the case of Dud Toit.

People are entitled to their opinions…..but I would like to know what Dud does, in which specific aspect of rugby other than quantity of tackles, he is better than ordinary.

B - It can only be that - he is a great BOK (A real pain in the ARSE FOR THE AB'S).  

B

For those of you voting B, here is some material  I posted on another string which might make you think…but only if you are willing to think. If you want to vote your emotions, just ignore it:

Dud Toit’s stats

5 runs 0 tackles beaten against NZ

8 runs 2 defenders beaten against England

7 runs 0 tackles beaten against France

6 runs 0 tackles beaten against Ireland.

7 runs 0 tackles beaten against Scotland.

That’s 5  matches, in 4  of which he never beat a tackle….that’s 33 times he had the ball and 31 times he was brought down by the first tackler. Great at taking a ball up in traffic?

And a great tackler every game?

Scotland 7 tackles made/3 missed

Ireland 13 made/1 missed

France 9 tackles made/5 missed

England 9 tackles made/0 missed

New Zealand 28 made/3 missed.

So we see his high tackle rate was only in the final. In the aggregate  he was 66 tackles made/ 12 missed. That’s a 85% tackle success rate….ordinary.

But here’s  the killer 33 runs …..2 tackles beaten. The great runners success rate is far lower than the success of the oppo runners tackling him. If he had  78 runs, equal to his number of tackle attempts….he is projected to beat 5 tackles. But when he was the tackler 78 times he missed 12 tackles.

So Dud  played a role in a specific plan in both WC finals. But his running and tackling for WC2023 as a whole was mediocre at best…..and certainly oppo runners got more out of him than he got out of them.

Case closed…now you are schooled, apologies aren’t necessary 

A, minus the hyperbolicfications

Has it occurred to you Einstein that all those other players are locks.

That’s your argument Dave, Dud is too tall to fetch…these days they  all try to fetch, but a flank has many more opportunities than a lock. Dud just bottles out every time.

As I have openly said before on here, I admittedly do not know as much about rugby as some of you guys on here do, but I can have my own assessment of a player purely judging by what I see from watching the games, but I don't have as much of the analytical skills of the game that some of you have on here.

Having said that, it's a B from me

B without hesitation

Dave

A geentle reminder - Mozart was the greatest supporter on site of Alberts - too/ slow to be effective and really a miserable defender who never made a turnover at breakdown and was never a factor for carrying balls - easily broughtt down in tackles because of balance problems.   But he hates Du Toit now for 11 years ever since the commnts made when Meyer convinced Matfield to return from retirement - a move that many of us said was BS and mentioned Du Toit at that stage playing only at lock as an alternative.   It turned out that Matfield was a flop after his returrn from retirement and in fact fucked up royally in the match he played against Japan and in the semi-final after he came on from the bench.   Mozart tried to cover up the failures of Matfield by showing that Matfield was good in the brnze final when the Spring boks played against the Argentina "B" team, but even in that case he was not the best player on the field that day.    .       

When in 2018 Erasmus reaize there is a problem at 7 - he asked the Stormers and lions to use Du Toit and Mostert  as no 7 and they complied.   The Lions used  Mostert for three matches in that position and Erasmus found he was a flop and he returned to play at lock.   Du Toit was a success and his role in the 2019  RC and WC series resulted in him being  the  Player of the Year in 2019.    Mozart could not accept it and the BS flows like lava from his hate-filled mind.  

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So as at 11h00 today it's 10 posters who think PSdT is more deserving of respect than ridicule, 3 posters who think he's more deserving of ridicule than respect and one poster who was too stupid to cast a vote successfully (or else too gutless to vote in case he upset his Master).

Thanks to everyone who voted. I'm very glad I'm among the majority who appreciate a great Springbok who played such a big part in us winning two RWCs.

Wehe, ButtPlug felt his little heartstrings being pulled!

Spin it however you want, tearful little gurly-boy, but calling a great Springbok like Pieter Steph "Dud Toit" is ridiculing him and it's disrespectful . . . especially coming from a weak-arsed little wimp like your beloved Massster . . . and therefore by association, you.

Come on then you grovelling brown-nosed little suck-up, let's hear again how much "we hatess the Rooinek and we loves the Preciousss"

LMAO!

Bar the final Steph had a fairly average World Cup, well below his standards. I believe that's a demonstrable fact, starting by looking at his stats. His tackling was abysmal against Scotland and France, missing 8 out of 24 tackles in those two games. SA supporters and media have a tendency to forget everything that came before a good performance by a favourite player. Have a great final and they'll suddenly recall you having had a great tournament, even if you actually hadn't.

I don't mind Steph, he looks a fine young man and he's a decent player with his share of stellar moments, but I believe him to be overhyped, limited and erratic in terms of how consistently he brings the actual goods.