Unbelievable! The most denigrated, criticised and underrated player and his haters have the nerve to call him "overhyped"!
It beggars belief!
Anyway, I'll go by what his team mates have to say about him rather than the views of a couch potato basing everything on stats.
At the end of the day we won two RWCs that we probably wouldn't have won without Pieter Steph du Toit.
All time Springbok legend in my book.
Well, he performed in the 2 RWC finals...when it counted...and the first match the Bokke won in NZ in many years...you know, he was there for the really big moments in Bok Rugby in the last 6 years...as has Eben, Duane and a few others...infighting over BS is typical Saffa mentality thing the rest of the world don't really understand it...me neither TBH...and this is a prime example.
(Sic) seriously, grow up. You sound like a teenage girl talking about haters. Pakie’s post 100% sums up my point of view. In a world of entitled people Du Toit comes across as a solid young man and I was a huge fan of Spiere, the Ox of the 60s.
But his memorable moments come down to 2 World Cup finals and one aspect of the game….tackling. Not enough to be a legend. If his hair was dark and his name was Gous, we wouldn’t be having the discussion. He is a media darling.
And while you are about it, why don’t you admit without Pollard we would never have won the last WC.
As for being a couch potato, what sports do you actively play, what’s your height and what’s your weight. Let’s see if you have enough guts to back up your couch potato slur.
Nobody gives a flying toss what you think, Moffie.
Weight and height porker…you admitted your addiction problem…admit your weight issue. By the way I’m invested in Lilly who have a spectacularly successful fat reducing drug, Zepbound. There might be hope for you yet.
Eben
Scotland 2 runs/0 defenders beaten
Ireland 4 runs/0 defenders beaten
France 6 runs/1 defender beaten
England 2 runs/0 defenders beaten
New Zealand 4 runs/1 defender beaten
….so in 18 runs, Eben did what Dud did in 33 runs. Almost twice as productive , but still low. Locks don’t make great runners..a more blocky type can break tackles and fetch. You are making my argument for me.
Let’s look at a Roos like player…Savea
France 12 runs/4 defenders beaten
Ireland 15 runs/4 defenders beaten
Argentina 16 runs/ 8 defenders beaten
Springboks 22 runs/4 defenders beaten.
So in aggregate Savea made 65 runs and beat 20 defenders. ..twice the number of runs, but beat 10 times the defenders that Dud Toit beat.
Using a lock as your main runner simply means you have a reset game….not a running game. The difference would be even more stark if we examined what happened to the ball after the defender was beaten.
Roos is much more like the runner we need. Dud needs to be redeployed to lock where he can still tackle as Mostert showed, but isn’t required to do things he can’t do,
Wehe . . . good luck trying to teach Moffie any thing Saffex.
Moffie's only exposure to rugby was he once held hands with the guy who cut the half-time oranges.
Gonzalez playing for the injured Matera
Vs Wales …3 runs/2 defenders beaten
Vs NZ …5 runs/0 defenders beaten
Vs England (they played Matera)…11 runs/5 defenders beaten
So in aggregate in matches against top tier opponents 19 runs/7 defenders beaten. For 33 runs that would have been 12 defenders beaten, 6 times the paltry 2 Dud Toit managed.
And eighth men and blindsiders are not that different in their running roles. You could put Savea on the blindside and with exactly the same opportunities he would be far more effective than the Dud…..who is simply too tall to be an effective ball carrier in space or in tight spaces.
Matera plays both 8th man and blindsider.
A runner who can beat a defender every 15 times he gets the ball, who at best retains possession is of little value. And his stats show he is one of the least likely blindsiders to break a tackle.
And a guy like Matera is a brilliant fetcher, he performs multiple roles not just process tackling.
So, how many times has Pablo Matera won the RWC? How many times was he named Player of the RWC Tournament? How many times was he named Player of the RWC final?
What's that? None? Zero?
Well then Moffie, go wipe that egg off your stupid fat face before it gets hard . . . because those are actual statistics that mean something . . . rather than the plaintive, biased and downright stupid witterings of a complete rugby noob who doesn't understand the game of rugby and seeks refuge in stats (which he doesn't know how to apply) every time his laughable ignorance is exposed.
Off you go then Moffie . . . that egg will be much harder to remove when iy hard ens . . . as you well know!
LMAO!
Actually if you don’t play in the RWC final, you can’t be Player of the Rugby WC final. Can you….hahahaha….follow that? But feel free, explain what Dud does other than tackling that could be regarded as at all exceptional. No more of childish barbs…make your case.
And what about those height/weight stats…prove you aren’t a couch potato.
But that’s my point Dave……I’d rather have a Roos/Matera type player. I see no value in choosing an otherwise non performing player in the process tackling role and giving up breaking tackles, offloading, turning over balls on the deck and having enough pace to make open field tackles. If Dud wasn’t there all that would happen is Mostert’s tackle count would be even higher.
I see Jabba the couch potato Hutt keeps chiming in….so tell me if I’m close to your stats, I’m guessing 5’9” /235lbs.
You're forgetting Moffie, I've seen pictures of you.
You have absolutely no idea what I look like but I know that you have the face of Angela Merkel atop thin little shoulders that spread out to a soft paunch which is held up by skinny little stick-insect legs.
And that's being kind!
LMAO!
So let’s see your image Jabba.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!
Age 57? What was that . . . like 20 years ago? Maybe that's why you look like a young Angela Merkel in that photo.
It is you in that pic and not Angela, right? I never can tell you apart.
LMAO!
No response, so I’ll remove my image.
What the blue blazes is the point of carrying in traffic and making no progress….that’s just another chance to lose the ball. That’s why we can’t convert good ball into tries….our highest try scorer at the WC was Reinach at 11th.
It's a fair enough question . . . I think.
For those who missed it, here is the photo of himself that Moffie put up and then quickly removed again:
Admit it's a remarkable likeness!
LMAO!
Saffex has met me Moffie. Why don't you ask him if I'm a short stumpy fattie?
We played the same number of games as NZ. They scored 49 tries we scored 27. France and Ireland who played 2 less games than us scored 3 more tries. We have no structured offense, just a turnover ball offense….because the ball dies with our inside center and our blindside flank.
"We played the same number of games as NZ. They scored 49 tries we scored 27. France and Ireland who played 2 less games than us scored 3 more tries. We have no structured offense, just a turnover ball offense….because the ball dies with our inside center and our blindside flank."
And we won the last two RWCs playing our brand of rugby.
Ssschplottt!
Ask him if I look like Angela Merkel.