A tragedy on Site

The problem is that Mozart and AO - frequently supported by Pakie - over the past few years wrote so much BS on site in their attacks on some Springbok players and the coach that they now find themselves  in trouble for spouting all the BS they wrote,   Instead of apologizing and accept that Erasmus and the whole team deserve winning the RC and WC - as well as gaining performance awards - they continue with their totally disgraced attacks.

I know it is hard for them to accept that they were wrong - why do they not just say sorry we were wrong and move on from there?   Instead they start afresh spouting BS on site and do not really accept the fact that the Springboks won the WC - congratulate the team on that and that be the end of the story,   Instead of that AO started a story again stating that the losing WC squad in 2015 was better than the WC winners in 2019.   They are now even more spiteful than they used to be. 

I know that type of thing is silly and foolhardy - but will they never stop making utter fools of themselves on site and start on a fresh basis of logical debate?   At least Pakie realized the way the situation is at present and was very good in saying he was wrong in what he wrote in the past - the other two did nothing of the kind.      I think all the members would welcome that and we can all make a fresh start looking at the future, w hich seems very bright from a rugby perspective at present. 

An apology? 

Well, here is the reality of a forum like this:

1. To the best of my knowledge, nothing we say here has any effect on team selections or player performance.

2. This is a discussion forum. The more contrary views there are, the more discussion, especially if we have well motivated views. If we all just back slapped and thumbs-upped one another all the time, there won't be much discussion and this place will die a slow death.

Example: Steph winning player of the year. I don't begrudge him the award for a second, but why can't we talk about the underlying merits or meaning of the award, put different views on the table, etc?

Variety is the spice of (forum) life, lads. Why this push for conformity?

The Church of Steph have repeatedly demonstrated poor analytics and herd like behaviour. When dissent is in their air, they become quite agitated. When requested to provide any kind of reference for their unfounded belief, they shield themselves with personal attacks to by time and space, distract from their lack of information. The information against this cult is vast, only increasing their agitation and hostility. It makes no difference, fall quickly or slowly, but fall you will. It is inevitable. The same faces, with the same play sheet, with the same embarrassing outcome. 

The bottom line is thus: They know he is the best player, but they don't know why. However, you better believe this unspecified reason for belief as fact, or you are stupid. If you still resist, they will scour the net looking for a well known face that agrees with them. That proves they are correct, but we must only listen to the tings these experts say that correlates with the herd's theology. 

Who could possibly resist such logic? 

Pakie

No one ask for conformity - that will be deadly for the forum anyway.  If everyone agrees on everything it will be the death of the forum.

You have done very well and admitted that some of your views were wrong and you congratulated all involved.  So lets move on from there and heaven forbid that we agree on everything - let us move forward in diversity.

The problem is in fact that AO is running wild and so does Mozart - the team is poor - some players are substandard (the same players they disliked in the past) - and the coach is a fool without any game plan.   Fine that is their view - can they not just forget the past and look at the future,  To keep telling us how poor the present team is compared to the 2015 team is just plain idiotic.   

All that should happen to my mind  is that the two mentioned congratulate the team winning the WC and the Team of the Year Award -  Erasmus in winning the Coach of the Year award - Du Toit winning the Player of the Year award without personal attacks on the coach and  players and then proceed from there to explain  their views for the future on site.  I would miss every minute of membership if they do not continue with their different viewpoints on site.   What they do at present is plain stupid and childish.  F rom comments of other members it is clear that it upsets some members.

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AO

Just a question.   We know that the selection was made by 8 experts that has been involved  in rugby and all played test rugby for any years.   They made the decision about Du Toit.   We do not know their reasons for their decision.  

Do you want to tell members the experts who selected Du Toit knows nothing about rugby and you do?   That is rather rich coming from you.  

Rather rich coming from me? Considering the source, that's laughable. You are the one who claims that the most decorated 10 in South African history is the worst 10 of all time. You claim that the coach who presided over a span of 23 tests unbeaten by all but New Zealand, keeping us consistently second, that with a team that had lost 9 legends of Bok rugby, is the worst coach of all time. You also claim that Jake White, a man universally revered within the game by all of its greatest minds, a man World Rugby has utilised to develop the game, is also the worst coach of all time. Then there is Ludeke, the most successful South African super rugby coach in history. You claim he too is the worst coach of al time. 

Lets face it Lügnerin, you are a terrible source of insight. Possibly... the worst of all time! 

It wouldn't be the first time that I was ahead of the curve on conventional thought. The day you shied away from that video of Steph's dozen missed tackles in Wellington (in one half) was the day you unveiled your willful ignorance. You cannot nor will you ever be able to defend your position. It has nothing to do with facts, just raw emotion. Steph was your anti-Matfield, just as Lambie was the anti-Morné, Rassie the anti-Meyer, Jones the anti-Jake, Bissie the anti-Smit, Watson the anti-Schalk, Pretorius the anti-Butch, Pienaar the anti-Du Preez. Over and over, these mythical entities raised up to fell an out of favour warrior/genius of the game. Pure emotional twaddle. We know it's twaddle, because you cannot articulate one measly reference to justify your position. I on the other hand can cite references from every game. All consistent with match footage. Until you can match that, you will continue to be pumped full of holes. 

Are you nuts - seems you are a habitual liar as well?  In which test did Du Toit missed 12 tackles liar?   

Then we have the BS about being anti anybody.  I mentioned various coaches and players of the past an provided proven statements for what I wrote,  I was never a Watson supporter - in fact the exact opposite.   No The fact is the Du Toit and threat to Matfield started off you hate campaign against Du Toit,  I never caused it,   What I wrote about Matfield was that he was just harming his reputation by coming back and he was poor in the games after his return.     Morne did not need any anti - he was anti himself from 2012 onwards,   Meyer dismissed him from the Springbok team in 2012 and in 2014 twice,   I never wrote anything about Pretorius,   Jones was brought on board by White to help with backline coaching himself and everyone else - inclusive of White himself  - believed that he had deficiencies in backline coaching which he was wise enough to realize and hence his call to Jones for help.    I never wrote anything about Smith and Bismarck.

Where you got from the above lot is basically BS.   As to the Meyer issue - you dreamed up he had all kind of qualities as a coach that nobody else could see.   I looked at Meyer as a nice person - with extremely little coaching ability,  You are the one that praised Meyer and then started attacking Erasmus endlessly.   It eventually gets under the skin of people when constant BS on site is preached by you  who really knows zero about rugby.    

Your interpretation of what happened in games has zero relationship with  reality and based entirely on prejudice.   Then there are BS about weak upper body BS on De Allende and total shit like that about Du Toit,  

Anyway I tried to get some logic back on site and you ended up causing more reason for you being called a total BSter with zero knowledge about the game.                           

I have never had a hate campaign against any player. The hate rests with you. How about your outburst against "cuntfield" after his MOM performance in his final test? Or de Jongh, the subhuman who should have been thrown out instead of the afterbirth? Or Fat Frans, a grotesque and worthless pig? I could go on. You seem to depersonalise those who displease you. Quite a dangerous trait to be roaming freely in society. Always relativistic in your moral judgement. Tisk tisk. 

Mozart

That is not the point why I started this thread,   I just think neither you nor I know what made the experts who selected Du Toit as Player of the Year decided on him.   Once he was selected and  in fact all other Awards to the team and coach have been announced they should be congratulated for what they achieved and then move forward from there.   We had a bad patch in rugby for a decade and it is time to put that behind us and start looking at the future.       

Ask him why he knows he is the best player. Those questions lead to much laughter, on my end. Watch them squirm. The wriggly wee wirms be hitting turbo reverse! a good wake with a shovel ought to relieve them of their delusions.  

Hey Piss Mint

You might want to correct your last post, where you say that those who think that this is a "h ox" …..might want to post some links as proof.....

It does not bother me at all...…….but everyone and their cousin on this forum..... knows exactly how you selectively attack people who make spelling mistakes, and how you detest grammatical errors, so I am just offering you the opportunity to do the right thing here, so that you don't get caught out or called up on it..... because you have done it so many times before, yet I have not yet offered you this opportunity before......

I would hate for someone to call you a proper doos, twat.... or a hypocrite..... for doing the same thing that you blame others for doing all the time.

Always here to help

LMFAO

AO

Are you a better rugby expert than the experts who selected Du Toit as Player of the Year?  Apparently you are a prejudiced idiot that believes you are.   Nobody on this site selected  Du Toit is the Player of the Year - you do not know why - neither do I.   Nobody squirm about anything - but you in fact do.    LMAO

How many of them analysed even a minute of his game? This is where you all fail, you make assumptions. In 2015, when Damian singlehandedly tanked the Wallaby test, everyone knew he was the best 12 in world rugby. Inspite sparking zero attacking play, he was integral. Video assessment proved differently. Just like Lambie's botched 2014 Twickenham performance. You followed the experts, the video showed something quite different. Your very last form of defence is that the video is biased or erroneous, yet you can never prove any such thing. Splicing clips of every action in a test is ironclad. You'll find that out, yet again in the coming days! 

So you don't believe he is the best player in the world.....nor do I. 

A South African player had to be given the World Player of the year, given all of the allocates that the Boks received. 

If not Steph Dutoit, then who would it be? 

Kolbe? Maybe. Faff, possibly. Marx has not been in top form. 

Faf, Thor and Eben were our constants. I'd personally have given it to someone else. No South African stood-out as the best individual player in the tournament. Of the players selected, neither Steph nor Kolbe qualify, although the latter did provide moments of individual magic. 

So he's a symbol.....so what's the criteria for a symbol? Blond hair....I can relate to that! My guess though is popularity. The Beast, Vermeulen, Faff, Pollard, Etzebeth, Kolbe .....all had more to do with our knockout wins.

The obvious choice was the Beast.....a long term great Springbok.....his destruction of Coles was the thing that broke England on the scoreboard and broke their confidence. And he was dominant in every game he played.

" What I believe doesn't matter. What I do know for a fact is that Pieter-Steph du Toit is the current World Player of the Year . . . and he's holding the trophy that proves it."

Technically, nope. What you can say for a fact is that he has received enough votes from a very small sample of selectors to be named the Player of the Year? Whether he is indeed the best, is still up for debate. 

Let's not forget Steyn...

Please, can we call him "The Two Time" from now on?

Frans "The 2 Time" Steyn!

Has a great ring to it. I'm sure we all agree.

Well I think that du Toit is an excellent player.

I for one do not believe that any one player can be the best in the world and have global support to back up those claims.

We all have our "special players" and cannot/will not allow ourselves to be open and honest with respect to other players of excellence.

The fact is that he was voted in as the best rugby player of 2019 and we cannot change that.....so live with it and move on.

Well done PSDT.

Many of us rugby followers are proud of your player of the year award.

This as 2019 and the dumb fool refers to 2015 in a match against Australia - where the real BS started about De Allende.  He made 15 tackles that day and missed 6 .  That is a very gigh number of tackles by a backline player anyway,   However, since then De Allende's defense became a hell of a lot better and there is no problem with his defense at present.   

What the fool claims is laughable - how does he know De Allende has a weak upper body.  De Allende in the WC in 2015 made 9 turnovers at breakdowns.  The idiot is  too stupid to realize that with a weak upper body that would be impossible,

When I mentioned the story to one of the present Springboks in December last year he was amazed by the stupidity of the statement and he played many matches with De Allende in the team.  It is that kind of BS that demeans the quality of discussions on site to a farcical level.

Just a pity when presented with 2 Open field tackles on May and Watson Dud missed both. Fortunately Frans was there to save the try Watson was set to score.

No Mozart 

Watson fell down after Steyn factually also missed the tackle and since Watson was not held he could have got up and scored the try was it not for Du Toit who got to him and prevented him from going further - in the process Warson knocked the ball on.   Remember always to tell the full story and then there can be no uncertainty as to what actually happened. 

Nope he didn't  fall down...he was knocked down in Space by Frans  after Dud Allende couldn't even lay a glove on him. Dud Toit then dove on the player on the ground and should have been penalized.

Now tell us why Dud Allende missed May who was dead stopped in his in goal area....that was a beaut! Cost us a great try scoring chance.

It was not a tackle more a bump than a tackle attempt by Steyn.  You talk about a bump - that would also have been a potential penalty as well since Steyn did not use his arms at all in the process.    The fact is the player who really saved the try was Du Toit - not Steyn or De Allende.  

Mozart you know that De Allende was in no position to make that tackle you said he should have made. - he was not near enough to May to tackle him or even try to tackle him.   At best he was at least three to four meters away from May.    

Please keep to facts  for a change.