A vote

 Thanks Justwin. Man these torn ligaments hurt like hell. 

 Here's the JJ clip, not going to discuss it again, just for reference for those who still want to have a go at it.

Morne an attempted tackle from behind.....JJ a tackle dead on. Culpability 85 per cent JJ....15 per cent Morne  

 Pakie
If you go a bit ar;lier in that clip - I beleive you would find that De Jager was gaurding the other side of the maul and Bismarck the side to which the scrummie made a break.  The gap was because Bismarck was not ensuring that there would not be a gap between the maul and himself through which the scrummie could run  -  Bismarck was too wide out in the first instance.
De Jager in seeing the move of the scrummie came from the other side of the maul to defend - and he was unsucceful - but the bla me for the defensive flop should be shared by both players and to just blame De Jager is not appropriate.         

Mike, the Boks were being outplayed there with fast ball. Bismarck had to cover wider because there were two players outside the scrummie with Willie the only other defender. If Bismarck defends the ruck it's a 2-on-1 overlap outside just meters from the tryline. Fairly easy score if the Argie players kept their wits about them.

Bottom line, both players got themselves in a position to make a tackle but executed poorly. Hardly anyone is blaming Lood only.

 Mozart definitely does blame only De Jager.   But then that is not unexpected from him.   He routinely blames deficiencies of more than one player -solely on players he dislikes.  His sidekick Ceradunce also does.

Mozart: "The fault wa s 75 per cent Lood....25 per cent Bismarck."

 That was not Mozart's oroiginal statement on this site - and he is quick to blame virtually the whole fault on De Jager.  Softened up a bit from his original statements - but not much - so I will remind him of this one as well.   

 Re the Barrett try, I woulden't blame the defenders. Barrett's trademark is turning games on its head. Like he did againgst Wales

 biltongbek

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November 27, 2014, 14:56:17

Thanks for the clip Pakie, now you can see the context of what happened.

You could argue both should have tackled lower. You can also argue that the communication between them was poor as Lood was standing behind the ruck and Bismarck too wide which left a gap for a sniper to run through.

I will blame them both for those reasons

bluebok

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November 27, 2014, 14:57:57 I see it as 50/50 responsibility. Lood should have had him covered, but Bizzie also came in for the tackle and at the end of the day, both men made half a tackle, because they both thought the other had things under control. Bad defense and bad communication by both. 

You, and a few others are all missing the point. The issue was that the gap opened up because of Lood de Jager. Bismarck had to rush in to cover up the balls-up when he saw the Arg scrummie going for the gap. Forget about ou Dawie's cover-up effort of only posting the one image and read up the entire discussion of the incident here:

http://www.rugbyworld.com/news/blogs/play-like-pichot-argentinas-scrum-halves-analysed/

You will see where the writer got the idea that Lood was either tiring or it was his inexperience that counted against him. Earlier in the game he was much more alert. Look at his body position and attention in a similar situation in the first half of the game.



Compare that to the try incident:

Dawie's wrong , Lood went lomp...................& JJ looks like he's jumping out of a tackle .

Moz you need your eyes tested with the Barrett try  

 Zeromnmoron
As kak[praat 'n sielte is - het jy diarrhea.   We all know wht to expect from you - so keep it up - the kllnonger  you do with that kind of BS expplanation - the more it shows up your rugby ignorance and the funnier it becomes.  Keep it up - you igmorant twit.  

 As expected. Neither ou Maaikie or ou Dawie can offer any arguments against the observations of the writer of that article. It is easier to attack my "ignorance" rather than attack a well researched ana lysis. Accept it. Lood has a very long way to becoming a world class lock. If ever.....

 CZeromoron
Just think about one question - who was nearer to the scrummie when eh started his run - Bismarck or De jager.   That should tell you what an idiot yoou are.  Your well-researched ana lysis is the same flipping BS you alwatys manage to come up with.
About as useless as Mozart's comments on the site is - both suffer from nbelevabe levels of prejudice.   So they constantly make fools of themselves.   
Just as an aside - Bakkies Botha flopped test after test ad booked himself pout of the test playing arena.   Now if you really want to do an ana lysis do one on Victor Matfield and see how he got worse in every tet he played in.   Then give us your findings - so that we can habve a very good laugh afterwards.

What a poepol you are. Taking the argument full circle. You are so clueless that you are forgetting that it was actually your own flimsy account of Matfield that triggered this argument. 
Be that as it may. You are doing your best to dance around ou useless Loodvoet's balls up. LOL