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Started by Mozart21 REPLIES276 VIEWS· 26 Jan 2015, 07:06
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jan 2015, 07:06
#1
26 Jan 2015, 07:06#1

These dead rubber ODI matches are scarcely like the CWC for pressure. But that lesser pressure was enough to get to Abbott today, winking aside. I havent seen that much of him, but he has looked okay in past series. In this one,  starting in the T20 he has looked frozen at the death.


He is in the team, but for the team's sake and his own he needs time to regroup. On the positive side McLAren had a few quality overs and Miller seems to be consolidating his middle order role.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jan 2015, 07:45
#2
26 Jan 2015, 07:45#2
 Mozart
With respect - McLaren did not play yesterday - are you by any chance referring to Parnell?
The local media is very scathing about the game and especially the performance of the players.   They claim there are 10 quality players in the side and 5 problem cases.   The latter 5 are -
AbbottBehardienPhangisoRossouwParnell
Rossouw's problem is he is no opening batsman - he should be used in the lower order.   Is of reasonable quality most of the time.   Parnell is no good as a batsman and only marginally so as a bowler.   There is no excuse for Behardien, Abbott and Phagiso - they should not have been in the squad in the first instance.
If the squad was selected on merit only players like Harmer, De Lange and Van Zyl should have been in the squad.            
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jan 2015, 12:13
#3
26 Jan 2015, 12:13#3

Abbott is a bog ordinary bowler.......de Lange should be there.

 

Miller is a class act

 

Berhardien once again proved what a joke he is  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jan 2015, 17:13
#4
26 Jan 2015, 17:13#4
Erratum I meant Parnel. And we still have a problem with the fifth bowler, I can't see Behardien and Duminy bowling 5 a piece.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jan 2015, 18:49
#5
26 Jan 2015, 18:49#5
Huh......JP took 2 for 29 and got Gayle.......seems pretty good to me for a 5th bowler....what game were you watching Moz?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jan 2015, 19:15
#6
26 Jan 2015, 19:15#6
Dave the first wicket came from a wide full toss. The better teams will clobber this guy. Same is true of Behardien whose stats were also good yesterday.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jan 2015, 19:21
#7
26 Jan 2015, 19:21#7

What bull ....his first wicket was a perfectly flighted ball, that hit the deck and turned away from left handed Chris Gayle. That turn and flight left Chris playing away from his body instead of getting over the ball.

 

It was the perfect ball for an off spinner to bowl to a left hander.......great flight and turn away from the bat

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jan 2015, 21:28
#8
26 Jan 2015, 21:28#8

Suit yourself......in our little debates, you now own him. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 Jan 2015, 21:44
#9
26 Jan 2015, 21:44#9
 Nothing to do with suiting myself. It's a fact. The ball was flighted on or just outside off stump. Perfect loop, pitched in the rough and turned nicely away from the bat to cause Chris issues.
It was the perfect ball by an off spinner to a lefty. I love bowling to lefties but I come through and around to them.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jan 2015, 23:45
#10
26 Jan 2015, 23:45#10

This is what I recalled. As for the first wicket that seemed like a decent ball, but not exactly a dangerous one.....if one were honest Behardien did  more for his wickets:

 

Duminy to J Holder, out Caught by D Miller!! Eight down, the skipper has holed out to Miller at short mid-wicket. It was a full toss on leg by Duminy, Holder ends up chipping it into the leg-side, Miller times his jump well, leaps very high and plucks it from the air with his right hand. Holder bangs his bat in frustration
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Jan 2015, 00:35
#11
27 Jan 2015, 00:35#11
Moz we were talking his first wicket....nothing dangerous about it, it was just a good ball that beat Chris fair and square.
Berhardien is about as good a bowler as AB is. It's pie chucking stuff. Quality sides will slaughter his shit.
But the real issue is how poor Berhardien is with the bat. What is his purpose in the side.
At least with JP we have a quality bat who does a job as a bowler.
Berhardien is the worst international cricketer I have seen in a long while. I don't get his selection at all.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Jan 2015, 00:48
#12
27 Jan 2015, 00:48#12
Moz we were talking his first wicket....nothing dangerous about it, it was just a good ball that beat Chris fair and square.
Berhardien is about as good a bowler as AB is. It's pie chucking stuff. Quality sides will slaughter his shit.
But the real issue is how poor Berhardien is with the bat. What is his purpose in the side.
At least with JP we have a quality bat who does a job as a bowler.
Berhardien is the worst international cricketer I have seen in a long while. I don't get his selection at all.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jan 2015, 02:28
#13
27 Jan 2015, 02:28#13

I really don't think Duminy is much, if at all better. To me Duminy could be used for  a change over or two....but to rely on him to deliver 5 or more overs seems very unwise. Behardien should not be in the team, no arguments there.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Jan 2015, 11:18
#14
27 Jan 2015, 11:18#14

But if you look at JP's stats they tell a different story which clearly tells me you are wrong about him. His strike rate and runs per over are on par with all the spinners in the WC bar one or two of the specialist spinners , with only Tahir streaks ahead of the rest of the spinners on show.

 

Look JP is no world beater with the ball, but then again none of the spinners that are on show are......evidenced by the fact that Tahir is the best of the lot. Lets face it, Tahir is no Warne or Muri.

 

Fact is, all sides have to get by with a 5th bowler except for Oz who have Watson up the order who is a handy bowler, leaving room for 4 specialists. But JP is on par with Watson really.

 

I have no issue with JP bowling 10 overs, he is good enough and far better than you make him out to be. One only needs to look at his technique to realise there is more to his bowling than part-time. He has a good action, good loop and extracts a little turn......that's all we can ask for from a 5th bowler who goes at 5 an over.

 

You are wrong about JP 

 

'Graeme Smith backs JP Duminy to be the most dependable player for South Africa in the World Cup while Rahul Dravid goes for Dale Steyn''

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Jan 2015, 11:37
#15
27 Jan 2015, 11:37#15

Moz, if not Duminy, who else? He isn't an allrounder in the true sense but he's the best we have, I also think that you're underestimating the lad.





 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Jan 2015, 11:53
#16
27 Jan 2015, 11:53#16

Dave, we needed more than Amla and AB, Miller has come good, we really needed that to happen. I don't rate Riley Rossouw, perhaps it might help if he bats down the order, I doubt it though. I also have my doubts about Faf. JP is the link man, right now I think he's good for between 40-50 runs but I sense there might be a bit more. 


From what I've seen so far the wickets are playing true, if the bowler bends his back then he'll do alright, above all there are no demons in these wickets. Mind you that might all go out the window as the Curator goes for faster wickets to suit the hometown all out attack. And boy oh boy do the Ozzies have an attack!!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Jan 2015, 12:13
#17
27 Jan 2015, 12:13#17

Denny, you are wrong about Rossouw, he is a class act.......its a pity he has got out cheaply after his great knock, but he is going to be a star for SA, mark my word.

 

Yeah Faf is ok, I'd actually prefer to see Stiaan v/Zyl in the side, for he is technically better and a part time bowling option.

 

Faf is a fighter though, so deserves to be there. Technically flawed though.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Jan 2015, 12:26
#18
27 Jan 2015, 12:26#18
I don't mind being wrong about Riley but clearly he's no opener, also he's not a big hitter so I would play him at 5. If you put the Ozzies to one side then it's a wide open competition. The kiwis are a chance and they have a huge advantagein playing all their games on home soil, it's only when they reach the semis that they play in Oz.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jan 2015, 12:30
#19
27 Jan 2015, 12:30#19
Denny
I do not think they should use Rosouw as an opener - with nstructions to hit out at every ball -  not wise on the team management part.   He is no DE Kock - who has excellent hand-eye coordination.   Rossouw when he has a few balls to get his eye in and then h does play very good cricket.   Batting at 4, 5 or 6 - he won't let down the team. 
      
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Jan 2015, 12:45
#20
27 Jan 2015, 12:45#20

I take your word for it Mike and I'll keep an eye on him. I'd much prefer to see him a bit more settled, he seems unsure of himself hence the reason for the lack of consistency.

You're right about Quentin, he's straight from the H. Gibbs school of hand eye co-ordination, however  he could play a huge role in our fortunes.


Still don't envy the kid facing Johnson and Starc. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
27 Jan 2015, 12:46
#21
27 Jan 2015, 12:46#21

Duplicate post

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Jan 2015, 15:08
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27 Jan 2015, 15:08#22

Mike, you are speaking kak.....de Kock has a flawed technique, much like Smith had where he plays everything to leg. Rossouw is technically better and Denny is wrong about his ability to be a big hitter......after Miller, I reckon Rossouw is the next biggest. Don't get me wrong, de Kock is good, but that technique will undo him as an opener. He does not have the mental edge Smith had to carry him through opening well consistently. He is more talented than Smith and needs some hard work on that technique......it looks a lot less pronounced than Smith's.

 

He is still finding his feet, but his 128 should have done him a world of good, only to cock it up in his next innings when a ball got big on him and he tried to hook it......he was silly, he should have played a measured innings.

 

In the last game he was undone early by not moving his feet. I really like the look of this lad, he is up there with Miller and v/Zyl and could be the best of the 3. 

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