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Alistair Coetzee must be the best coach in the game.....

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES906 VIEWS· 02 Jun 2012, 22:17
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jun 2012, 22:17
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02 Jun 2012, 22:17#1

....with only 3 Stormers good enough to play for the Boks, he leads the South African log and for much of the season the whole S15 log. This to be expected effort from a man steeped in kick and chase rugby, dooms us to total boredom for the next four years. It may be effective, but who cares if it's as brainless and unattractive as the Bools were today. So we really need 13 Bools and 10 Sharks.....and get only seven players from all the other teams (I exclude Pienaar and Fransie).

 

How can Aplon the most dangerous back in the country, Juan de Jongh who outplayed JJ totally and Pietersen be left out.....for the likes of Olivier, Engelbrecht, Basson and Kirchner. These players had so much ball today and they never did one thing special. In fact I doubt they beat a tackle between the four of them.

 

Then we have all the Sharks loosies. Alberts was hopeless today....Kankan has hardly played any rugby. And can anybody really say Marcel Coetzee (who I rate) is more deserving than Kolisi.

 

One thinks it must be in your imagination. Surely the country can't still be so parochial....and then this. Heynecke rode in on a wave of fan approval. It seems he is a small man, intent on reliving his Bools past, rather than building a bold new programme for the Boks.

 

Sickeningly disappointing.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jun 2012, 22:25
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02 Jun 2012, 22:25#2

 What the hell did de Jongh do to outpaly JJ - what complete rubbish. JJ was far better. Aplon showed why you cant have little guys playing test rugby, a nobody like Wepner absolutely creamed him.

So good to see that out coach knows that 80 odd kg backs dont belong in test rugby - good on you Meyer. de Jongh has done squat all year.

The Bulls were the better side on the day, the stats will tell you that, but good on the Stormers for sneaking it. Damn close game.

Coetzee did deserve it given his form throughout the season, but then again so did Kolisi.

Bold new programme for the Boks that would include Aplon, Joe and de Jongh, get real - this mans knows his business only a fool would select such little guys to play test rugby. Imagine de Jongh marking the 110kg Tuilagi.......what a joke thats would be.

Go Meyer, I like it - but for leaving out Brussouw, Kolisi, Josh, CJ Stander and Elstadt 

 

US
UsernamePro1,098 posts
02 Jun 2012, 23:54
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02 Jun 2012, 23:54#3

Take Nienaber out of the picture and you have a Stormers side no better than the Lions. Neither Rassie or the clueless Coetzee have done anything to earn their salary for as long as I can remember.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
03 Jun 2012, 00:18
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03 Jun 2012, 00:18#4

@mozart,

chiefs have been leading the combined conference longer then the stormers.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jun 2012, 06:53
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03 Jun 2012, 06:53#5

@Sasu.....true, but the point here is no other South African team has. I wonder how many Chiefs make the NZ squad.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2012, 07:10
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03 Jun 2012, 07:10#6

Saffex - I am beginning to see double on this Board.  For the second week running you said the losing team had a better display than the winners.   Even a non-try awarded to the Bulls could not have been supporting your contention in thsi case.   The Bulls were outplayed with very poor captaoincy in evidence - game, set and match. 

ST
Stormer77Rookie76 posts
03 Jun 2012, 10:44
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03 Jun 2012, 10:44#7
It frustrates me that we bitch and moan about quotas in cricket,yet in rugby we have 3 players(kolisi,De Jongh and Aplon) who get overlooked because they don't play for the Bulls.I'm sure the Number of New Zealand fans has gone up in South Africa overnight.I foresee a Markgraaff incident with Schalk Burger,just wait and see.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jun 2012, 10:48
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03 Jun 2012, 10:48#8

Moz, I quoted your opening post here on "the other side." Hope you are not too upset.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jun 2012, 15:22
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03 Jun 2012, 15:22#9

The dark side???? Hell did it smoke and go up in flames. No worries Db, they must all be choking on Weer Probeer in any case.

ST
Stormer77Rookie76 posts
03 Jun 2012, 17:36
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03 Jun 2012, 17:36#10

 Alistair Coetzee uses this insane idea for picking his teams that Heyneke Moron desn't use.............picking on form.Gosh,what an absurd idea.

SB
sitting bullClub Pro170 posts
04 Jun 2012, 06:29
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04 Jun 2012, 06:29#11

....looks like the Mighty Chiefs have twice as many players in the ABs as the Stormers have in the Boks Mozart seeing you were wondering earlier...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jun 2012, 06:38
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04 Jun 2012, 06:38#12

Thanks for that.....SB

SB
sitting bullClub Pro170 posts
04 Jun 2012, 09:43
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04 Jun 2012, 09:43#13

.....another great coach Gordon Tietjens recently inducted into the IRB Hall of Fame recently shared his recipe for success and creating a winning culture re Sevens rugby ....easily transferrableto the 15s game though in sitting bull's opinion...perhaps he's someone SA could learn from given his success and yarpie tribe being a definite contender for Olympic glory come 2014 there's no harm in planning ahead...

Tietjens spells out recipe for Sevens success (IRB.COM) Friday 25 May 2012
  Print Email                       Staying power: Gordon Tietjens has coached New Zealand to all 109 IRB Sevens tournaments since the World Series began back in 1999

On the night of the HSBC Sevens World Series finale, the IRB honoured New Zealand's Sevens coach of 18 years Gordon Tietjens by inducting him into the IRB Hall of Fame.

New Zealand's 2011/12 World Series success was Tietjens' 10th and his roll of honour is without peer in Sevens, having also won a Rugby World Cup Sevens in 2001 and all four Commonwealth Games gold medals contested to date.

On receiving the accolade in front of his peers at Twickenham, Tietjens was almost lost for words.

"It's just really humbling and quite special really. I'm shocked to be recognised for my contribution to Sevens Rugby. I can only thank the players that have been a big part of my life, the players that have contributed to the successes in the game that I have had."

Tietjens' scouting and coaching formula is tried and tested and every Rugby Union in the world must wish they could glean just a little of his experience and knowledge.

In fact, when asked about his own philosophy on the game, not surprisingly the man from Tauranga was uncomplicated, forthcoming and organised in his thoughts. Indeed, there are four main qualities that Tietjens looks for when selecting talent, qualities that he believes combine to create a winning culture:

1. Team: Together everyone achieves more - "It's not about one person in our side. It's not about relying on those players with the X-factor. I have a favourite saying in my team and that is 'whoever plays will do the job'."

2. Unity: One big family - "We've probably got the fittest rugby players in New Zealand, they work harder than any rugby player in New Zealand and that unifies them. My training sessions are probably harder than any game they'll ever play and that's a real key to that unity as it brings us close."

3. Passion: Playing for the jersey - "We do enjoy ourselves but the jersey means everything and it's the fear of losing that is instilled into them as well."

4. Discipline: Cast-iron will - "I'm massively strict on nutrition. What you eat is what you are and if you want to play with the best in the world and be the best you can be, you have to have the right fuel. And the other part of having that discipline is a work ethic. I test them every time that they come into camp but, more importantly, they need to work hard in their own environments so that when they come to camp they're where they need to be.

"If you get those four qualities among the players you have, it creates that culture that's second to none," said Tietjens in an interview with Total Rugby.

A scout and a coach

In scouting his players Tietjens also looks for 'coach-ability' and character because to survive his gruelling regime the players need both. He is often forced to scour the country for its hidden wells of talent, which in turn leads to some interesting selections and a gilt-edged last-chance-saloon for certain players.

"If a player's got character he's that team player that you want, and he's coach-able. If they don't have that character they're very hard to coach and they're not necessarily the person you want.

"I'll see a player and like what I see in terms of his skill sets playing a game. I'll then do a lot of homework on that player, even going as far back as school sometimes and find out why he hasn't made certain teams. Because generally if they've got all that talent then they've gone on and made other teams and I'm not going to get a look at them anyway, so I tend to look at development teams and players who aren't necessarily recognised."

The physical demands of Rugby Sevens have always been tough, but are becoming more extreme than ever in the modern day game.

With fitness levels rising across the board, defences are tighter and the contest for the ball more ferocious. With that, the wide open spaces that used to be so abundant on a Sevens field seem almost to be shrinking with each passing season. And it is in this area - physical prowess and mental toughness - where Tietjens dedicates a lot of time and thought.

Cast iron will

"In the game of Sevens you've got to be mentally very, very strong. There are a lot of players out there who are gifted, talented but haven't got the work ethic and have gone away from Sevens because it's too tough for them. But there are those players who are mentally tough, incredibly fit and they are the ones who want to make it. And often they are also the ones who will go on and also become All Blacks."

And nobody can accuse Tietjens of not putting in the same level of effort himself.

"It's something that's always been part of me. If I see someone ahead of me going up the mountain at Mount Maunganui I've got to catch that person up, it's just in-bred. Or on a tennis court, it doesn't matter what I'm doing, in a gym I can't just get on a rower, I have to set some targets and blow myself out.

"And I think that makes it easier to coach because you get the respect of the players and I do all my hard yards in the mornings and I work very hard, so it's a lot easier for me to go and 'preach' because I practice what I preach."

A love affair with Sevens

Above all, it is clear that Tietjens still has a passion for the game of Rugby Sevens, even after 18 years as his country's head Sevens coach. His eyes still twinkle at the mention of certain tournaments, finals or players, or when asked about his latest scouting success.

"I love watching players in space expressing themselves. I remember back to Christian Cullen playing for me on a Sevens pitch, and he went on to become a wonderful All Black of course, but to see the step, the acceleration, the vision, the ball skills off both hands, everything you'd expect from a rugby player he could express in the game of Sevens.

"Christian was probably the most outstanding talent I saw. 18 tries in Hong Kong in his second year was incredible. Jonah (Lomu) nobody could match for the X-factor to win big tournaments and every time he went from the Sevens team to play for the All Blacks he played so well, because he was so fit."

When Tietjens took the job in 1994 he never thought he would stay beyond a four or five year stint. And yet he recently signed a new contract to lead New Zealand Sevens up until 2016, when the sport makes its Olympic debut.

"When Sevens was admitted to the Olympics I just thought that I have to be a part of that in some capacity, and so who would have thought I'd be at five Comm Games, including 2014 in Glasgow, and then the Olympics?

"And I think then I'll call it a day because that for me will be the pinnacle of a long coaching career, to finish it at the Olympics."

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Jun 2012, 10:00
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04 Jun 2012, 10:00#14

Moz you cant expect any comment from Draad. One false move and he will be banned ex ss board. I was banned without making a move at all!!

Yes they could barely muster a comment. re the stormers win. The twits were shattered. It was like a hot air balloon popping. Bwahahahahahahahahahahhaha priceless. But Boomer and Openside are not too happy with the likes of the mongs bedpan and dorkie dumbo and the anto stormers cabal. Poor hawkeye tries to get them talking some sense. Nothing one can do to help given the circimstances. Hahahahahahahahahaha

 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Sept 2015, 20:05
#15
21 Sept 2015, 20:05#15
 Bump!
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Sept 2015, 20:07
#16
21 Sept 2015, 20:07#16
 How things have changed?
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Sept 2015, 11:27
#17
23 Sept 2015, 11:27#17
 No bites?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2015, 03:03
#18
24 Sept 2015, 03:03#18
Playing in pro/am golf tournament, I have just seen your post Draad.  
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