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All Hail PSDT

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
18 Aug 2024, 20:25
#1
18 Aug 2024, 20:25#1

The work rate for such a big person is unbelievable. He plays 80 minutes in every match and never looks too tired to continue playing.

Certainly, must go down as one of the Springbok greats - better than any number 7 lock I have ever seen. 

Even when he played lock in last week's test, he played well. He covers so much ground but is still involved in the tight play as well, and makes the most tackles. He reads the game well. Like Vermuelen he can adapt his style of play to what is needed at the time. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2024, 21:27
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18 Aug 2024, 21:27#2

Du Toit is the greatest 7 I have ever seen. Huge engine.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Aug 2024, 22:22
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18 Aug 2024, 22:22#3
Easily the best Bok 7 ever He is in really good form at the moment Fuck me he even turned a ball over on Saturday despite not looking very comfortable doing it A real class act
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2024, 23:39
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18 Aug 2024, 23:39#4

Vote for Du Toit the best ever 7 playing for the Springboks.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2024, 23:48
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18 Aug 2024, 23:48#5
Okay….here’s my rating.
Ball carrying CPassing/offloading BProtecting/stealing the ball on the deck…DProcess tackling AOpen field defense CLineouts B
All of which makes him a B.
Hype, however, is an A.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2024, 00:34
#6
19 Aug 2024, 00:34#6

Mozart 

BS     A

Mostert   -    Protecting/stealing the ball on the deck…Z      

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Aug 2024, 02:59
#7
19 Aug 2024, 02:59#7

In a quarter final of a WC Jean de Villiers forward passed in the same position as PSDT and cost the Boks a semi final. The Boks lost by 1 point as the try was disallowed. Makes me wonder if PSDT has poor hands or whether he's just clumsy, still he's a forward and Jean is a back. I know which one of the two I'd like to kick up the ass.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2024, 07:18
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19 Aug 2024, 07:18#8

I looked at the incdient again - when Du Toit passed the ball it di go backwards despite a Wallaby touching Du Toit's marm and the ball went dsieways - with the result that Kriel knocked it on.    The scrum resulted from Kriel's knock-on I believ.   

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2024, 16:43
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19 Aug 2024, 16:43#9
Got to laugh at this given PSDT got the ball away after a great take in the air on the run - it was Kriel who knocked the ball on Moz are we meant to take your assessment of PSDT seriously, your B is a joke
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 17:19
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19 Aug 2024, 17:19#10

Du Toit got the ball away…..forward…you can see Kriel stretch forward to reach it. He may or may not have touched it with the fingers of his left hand. But it was forward anyway.

Kriel was wide open, both defenders were on the deck. Dud Toit’s arms were free and clear. He couldn’t execute the simple pop and botched the try.

Once again the stats verify, Kwagga turned over no balls, the left most number. What amazes me is the determination to defend everything Dud does. No Kriel wasn’t entering the ruck, no he never botched the try, no there wasn’t anybody pulling Dud’s arm.

He was in a position to simply po the ball to Kriel and he blew it….to blame Kriel there is rubbish, he scarcely touched the ball if at all. Or perhaps it was nobody’s fault, we would be content if  our 7 can’t execute a simple pop.

All nonsense.

Dud had a decent game against a team that were overpowered by the Boks, which allowed him to stand 60 metres away from the play. Pollard managed to hit him in full stride, he couldn’t hit Kriel from 2 metres away. 

K SmithR0100


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2024, 17:20
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19 Aug 2024, 17:20#11

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2024, 17:27
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19 Aug 2024, 17:27#12
PSDT has simply been amazing this season and that’s a fact just like he was in the WC final A phenomenal player Trying to discredit PSDT is just insulting and embarrassing Moz it completely discredits you as a rugby follower It’s on par with saying AB was an average bat
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 17:42
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19 Aug 2024, 17:42#13

Not a phenomenal ball carrier, not a phenomenal open field tackler, not a phenomenal passer, not a phenomenal lineout player…a almost non existent fetcher.

A player who is given two roles which draw attention to him. First tackler off the ruck and rover who is given the luxury to be 60 metres from the breakdown as he was in the botched try.

He is a big unit and in the WC finals he raised the intensity of his hits, which played an important role in those two wins. His shortcomings also  blew tests, like the second Irish test.

He seems like a nice bloke, I simply believe he is way over hyped….you are entitled to your own opinion.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:18
#14
19 Aug 2024, 19:18#14

BS Alert

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:18
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19 Aug 2024, 19:18#15

BS Alert

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:26
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19 Aug 2024, 19:26#16
He is a great ball carrier up there with Eben and for a big guy gets into good positions in the wider channels Would never be a great open field tackler, no 2m player is His passing is as good as any other forward out there He is a good line out exponent as good as any other lock out there And 2m tall players are not fetchers it’s not the role of a blindside His value, his impact and work rate is huge for the side On current form there is no blindside to touch him
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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:38
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19 Aug 2024, 19:38#17
DuToit could play various positions at test level:

4. Lock
5. Lock
7. Blindside flank8. Number 8 (maybe...)
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:45
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19 Aug 2024, 19:45#18

Ollivant is way better. Here they are head to head at the WC. Ollivon  makes three times as many meters. And he makes nine tackles, same as Dud, but he misses one….Dud who was actually pushed beyond process tackling misses 5. More things you will never hear from the hypsters.

C OllivonFL1910C OllivonFL061154111

P ToitFL1950P ToitFL02718100


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:54
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19 Aug 2024, 19:54#19
Bullshit is Olivant better Next best would be Matera/Kramer behind PSDT
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 19:57
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19 Aug 2024, 19:57#20

Way better…a complete player, not just a process tackler and rover. Look at the numbers from the test I posted above…dominance.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Aug 2024, 20:38
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19 Aug 2024, 20:38#21

The only thing I find amazing is that anyone still takes this hopeless biased, ignorant and egg-faced fool seriously when it comes to PSdT . . . or Rassie for that matter.

Can't believe some of you are wasting time arguing with Moffie on his juvenile little pet hates . . . just have a laugh.

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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
19 Aug 2024, 20:48
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19 Aug 2024, 20:48#22
PSDT reads the game better than most. This is the only explanation why he has such a high work rate. He knows when to play the tight phases and when to go wide. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2024, 21:03
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19 Aug 2024, 21:03#23

Mozart

Just a question - when was Ollivon World Player of the Year?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2024, 22:48
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19 Aug 2024, 22:48#24
Well if France  had won the WC he probably would have been. World players of the  year:
1 2003 ….winner England….POY Wilkinson.
2 2007….winner South Africa…POY Habana
3 2011…..winner New Zealand….POY Dusautour
4 2015….winner NZ…POY Carter
5 2019….winner South Africa …POY Dud Toit
6 2023….winner South Africa….POY Savea
……
So the POY generally, 4 times out of 6 goes to the WC winner. When it doesn’t is when the WC victory was questionable. In 2011 NZ won 8 to 7 against France with some close calls there was sympathy for France.
And in 2023 the Boks won against NZ with a dubious red card advantage. Again the POY went to the opposing team.
It’s so obvious if you can just see patterns. So in 2019, the Boks were deserved winners, the POY was always going to be a Bok. Kolbe was the other, more worthy candidate.
So no, I don’t regard the POY in WC years as definitive,  other than identifying the most popular representative of the WC winning team.
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sharkbokCaptain23,217 posts
19 Aug 2024, 23:18
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19 Aug 2024, 23:18#25


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2024, 23:41
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19 Aug 2024, 23:41#26
Fuck me Moz talk about clutching at straws The lengths you go to, to prove zero is extraordinary PSDT is the best blindside in the game 95% of rugby followers the world over would select PSDT as the best blindside right now and that’s a fact. A fact you know is true But you keep feeding us your warped sense of reality its comical
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 00:03
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20 Aug 2024, 00:03#27
But you can’t refute the logic or the data. Emotionally you just don’t want to accept reality. And Shark, for heaven sake man, that thing is a bottom feeder….moz is always on top.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2024, 00:08
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20 Aug 2024, 00:08#28
No Moz I stick with facts not stats or data It’s pretty obvious to most that PSDT is the best blindside in the game right now He keeps embarrassing you game after game
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2024, 00:40
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20 Aug 2024, 00:40#29

Mozart

Stop talking shit.   There is a Selection Panel appointed by World Rugby to decide on awards and this panel  consists of 8 ex-players - mostly past captains of teams and other people playing a leading role in Rugby.   Do you tink that you know more about rugby and rugby performances than  they do?   

There is no rea link betwen he players selected and who won the RWC in years when the playes are awarded - in 2025 the RWC winner was S A - yet the player selected was Ardie Savea,    

The panel has the most advanced techology as to player evcaluation at teir disposal - you have only got stats with no link to vslue of performances - so you come up with BS based on s-caled stats.    

      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 01:17
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20 Aug 2024, 01:17#30

Embarrassing me…..when he failed to contest the ball at his feet against Ireland, which as a result went quickly back to the flyhalf for the winning drop? That was literally the last opportunity to save the match and he inexplicably backpedaled. 

I do my own analysis and reviews. I always consider the views of others, but the number and passion of those views never move me. I reach my own conclusions.

In all honesty half of the things that I find persuasive aren’t even highlighted by commentators or reporters. It is a very poorly researched sport.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
20 Aug 2024, 01:47
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20 Aug 2024, 01:47#31
It’s arguable that without the necessary stats you cannot really proof the actual facts…not to take anything away from Pieter as he is a special player, but there is very little between these top class players….Olivon, Matera, Kramer are top class players.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2024, 02:02
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20 Aug 2024, 02:02#32
Savea the smallest with 27 tries
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2024, 03:40
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20 Aug 2024, 03:40#33

Mozart

You take the  half-baked stats are what you claim is indicative of player performances,   And the shit flows like lava from you.  You pretend that you now mre about player evaluation than does the experts used by World Rugby than experts dealing with the issue on a rational basis.   

I remember how you claim you never saw anything that makes players like Du Toit and De Allende contribute to matches - in other words it is hatred and prejudice that influence the BS you write on site.    You are a real BSter inventing your own facs  and pouting lies on site. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2024, 08:49
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20 Aug 2024, 08:49#34
Moz unfortunately your reviews and analysis are tainted with plenty of bias Like blaming PSDT for not stopping the drop That is sooooo funny but true to form
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 13:29
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20 Aug 2024, 13:29#35

He was the only player in a position to do that…if he tried for the ball on the deck, or rucked forward vigorously, it would have made the pass far more difficult ….perhaps even preventing it if he was a real fetcher. The ball carrier dropped right at his feet  

Dave what’s funny is you are so protective of this player, you deny what’s obvious.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Aug 2024, 13:35
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20 Aug 2024, 13:35#36
No im not protective I just know that he does not shy away from any involvement so if he could have stopped the drop he would have tried - he’s that kind of player much like your favourite Mostert
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Aug 2024, 13:39
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20 Aug 2024, 13:39#37

You are the one needing protection in most  of the BS you spread on site and is too stupid rugby wise to make any real and objective comments.    This is my final comment on site as to Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende - it is sickening to see what you in vented about the three people involved.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 13:59
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20 Aug 2024, 13:59#38

Come now Dave that’s utter rubbish and you know it. He should have contested that ball, what possible reason could he have had for not doing so.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 14:29
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20 Aug 2024, 14:29#39

In the Rugby World Cup….against Ireland, France, England and NZ…Dud ran the ball 28 times for 67 metres, courtesy of one long run against NZ. But he lost the ball twice in the process, which at 20 metres a turnover means his net gain was 27 metres in 28 runs.

His numbers tend to be improved by the open runs down the wing, but basically he is a meter a run man. And he hardly ever offloads…..for good reason as we have seen with his two botched try offload attempts against the Wallabies.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
20 Aug 2024, 15:01
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20 Aug 2024, 15:01#40

Best player in the world and in a generation. 

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