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All Hail PSDT

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Aug 2024, 15:34
#41
20 Aug 2024, 15:34#41

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 16:09
#42
20 Aug 2024, 16:09#42

Oh come now, modern players are better than any prior generation….what you are trying to say Corn is best rugby player ever. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Aug 2024, 16:32
#43
20 Aug 2024, 16:32#43

". . . best rugby player ever."

Well, he's a candidate.

Imagine being the ignorant rugby noob who wrote this great Springbok legend off so many years ago. Imagine how stupid he must feel after each MotM performance.

LMAO!

I guess if you were such an egg-faced fool you'd spend all your hours on a message board trying to convince everyone that they're all wrong and you're right and nitpick about the very few mistakes he makes . . . oh . . . hang on . . .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 16:40
#44
20 Aug 2024, 16:40#44
Hold on….watch the Lowe disallowed try that could have swung  the first Irish test. Dud Toit is the only Bok on the blindside. At the last minute he joins the ruck which is clearly not going to be won…..leaving a barn door gap for Lowe to run through. Fortunately the TMO calls it back.
Was that a nitpick?

Forget Usaine Bolt, best sportsman ever…..hahaha.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Aug 2024, 16:43
#45
20 Aug 2024, 16:43#45

Pffffffffffffhahahahahahahahahaha!

How can we be sure that's actually you, Moffie . . . with a ll that egg all over your face?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 17:04
#46
20 Aug 2024, 17:04#46

Egg only appears when you are wrong (sic)….as you were about Eben being culpable in the bar incident…here you are desperately attacking your critics, for standing up for a Bok hero.

Rooinek

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Aug 30, 2019, 07:23

Wehe . . . "Eben is in the clear" shrieked Baboon-ou and Moffie, "we read that Eben said the police had cleared him so you're all swallowing the Fake News. Game set and match! We're so clever and you're all so gullible! Stick with Moz! Beeno helping the oaks out again!"


Pffffffffffhahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Guess who swallowed the Fake News?
…………… .Guess who not only swallowed fake news but was desperate for it to be true.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Aug 2024, 17:07
#47
20 Aug 2024, 17:07#47

I see a big mound of egg with some bubbles near the top. Are you trying to say something, Moffie?

LMAO!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 17:14
#48
20 Aug 2024, 17:14#48

What don’t you understand?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Aug 2024, 18:03
#49
20 Aug 2024, 18:03#49

 ...a rare image o f Mozzie watching the Bokke while the great PSDT is playing...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 19:22
#50
20 Aug 2024, 19:22#50

Draad  to quote Willie  in the great Blue Max…’one of these days I’m going have to shake you up considerably’.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Aug 2024, 19:50
#51
20 Aug 2024, 19:50#51

Die vloer is joune .

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2024, 20:19
#52
20 Aug 2024, 20:19#52

Well I was just wondering if you have had an original idea in your life….no insult intended.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Aug 2024, 06:03
#53
21 Aug 2024, 06:03#53

Why would you wonder that? Just run with the idea that I'm dull and stupid and that's why I don't get your great insights into rugby.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Aug 2024, 06:21
#54
21 Aug 2024, 06:21#54

Mpower

There has been an advanced prograrm developed a far back as 2014 developed that entails teh activities of each player on the field of play as well as the effectvieness of the contribution made.   This program is very expensive and SARU got the program in 2014 - but both Meyer and Coetsee refused to use it.   

That is the only reliable nethd of player contributions in matches - the fact is what Moxzart and other site members have at their disposal is very superficial and make statemets based teir commes on.   The ESPN stats give no indication of quality and results of pesonal contributions by players,

That is why the figures quoted by Mozart  is really valueless garbage nd of no real professional value.      \

     

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Aug 2024, 10:13
#55
21 Aug 2024, 10:13#55
So is Rassie using this advanced system? Can we get access to the results of this advanced system? And to say that ESPN stats is useless in painting a player performance, is far fetched. ESPN might not be the best, but has been around for ages. They have extensive experience in covering all kinds of sports thru there stat systems. I do not have a personal vendetta against any poster that blinds my judgement. With all new information, stats etc. that gets posted on here, I make a point of doing my own research to proof the validity. So The stats Moz provides are not false….I do agree that on stats alone, it’s difficult to get the complete picture of a player. It is necessary to add the visual to get the whole picture.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2024, 12:16
#56
21 Aug 2024, 12:16#56

Moz is extremely biased and immune to the facts. It's not only his bias in matters pertaining to rugby rugby though it extends to so many areas. 

Anyhow he is good for a laugh. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Aug 2024, 12:35
#57
21 Aug 2024, 12:35#57

 Ja, I know it's Keo...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Aug 2024, 12:41
#58
21 Aug 2024, 12:41#58
Draad I agree with that call - my son and I were talking about it last night Right now PSDT is the best player in the game
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Aug 2024, 13:23
#59
21 Aug 2024, 13:23#59

Manpower

Yes Erasmus is usig that sstem and so does every coach of the major rugby playing countries,   The system can be traced on the inernet    by typing in the following:-

  advanced rugby playr performance assessment tool

The system used is called KPI and you can research it to find out about what it entails.

The problem is the stats provided by ESPN refer to isolated incidents and doe not provide context and results,

I referred  to inmcidents where for instance Esterhuizen in the  June 2018 tests against Wales made 2 carries in total 75 meters in temporary gain - at the end losing possessio of the ball and the Welsh  ended up with an attack covering  more than 8o meters in territory gain.  The lesson is  the end resut f what actually happen after the initial gain  that is more important than the actual initial territry gain.   

You can get the same result with kicking,   Example - Dan Carter kicke the balls as many times as  Morne Steyn did - but the diference was that the qualiy of the kicks and end result is not evaluated.   In essense Carter made strategic kicks while Morne's kicks were in the main aimless,     The same problem is in box kicking - the  eses is to lok at box kicking by for instace Murray and Dupont - it allow for effective follow-up and often recovery of te balls by the team.  De Klerk's kiccking at present is total BS and the younger scrumhalfs we us is not on equal level yet,

The same problem is encountered  in tackling.   Weak tackles only lead to continuation of attacks.   Weak tckles also result in drawing in other defenders to finalize the tackle.   This is one qualty where for instance De Allende dfffers from ther centers.  In the famous case  of the try scored against Wales in 2019 he scored the try despite three acklers tying to stop him from scoring.    Physically stronger players are difficult to tackle and when tackled ensure the ball s recovered by the team. and recovery of breakdown balls is easier and quicker - so attacks could continue.

In any event the fact s that ESPN stats have one value it can idnetify what corrective measures must be done by coaches in general iro specific players.   Some - like for instance De Klerk - is beyond coaching correction and is in the dog box as a result.    Another example is  Mostert - e makes plenty of tackles - but  the ackles re virtually all weak and ineffective - the attacks by the opponents continue as normal.   Another example is Alberts - he becme known for boe-crushing tackles - but those were in traffic and effective.    Outside of that he was a hopeless loosie and was standing around in the backline at breakdowns  so he can make caries if te balls come abck to him to make a striong cary tht did not work out either.   He nver once made a turnover at breakdowns  as well.

My father - a rugby fanatic - often spoke about ball sense of players.   Teya re an ekemet inherent n some players who nstinctively know where the balls are going to go nd is there to deal with such attacks.   Schalk Burger was a tyical exampe of thatnd Du Toit is even a better exponent of it.    My father did not hae any stats - but he saw and interpret rugby issues accordingly.

Anothe example of the latter was Rob Louw to whom I spoke about variosu rugby issue that Mzart shred on site.   He regarded Erasmus as eqully good a coach as Doc Craven was - wit the difference being that Erasmus has tools at resent than Craven ahd at the time and Rsmus used those tools to eahnce the team performances.   I alo spoke to Frans Malherbe and he was sjust laughng and said when quoting comments from Mozart and some other posters that they know nothing about rugby making such statements.   You get similar omments from for instance John Smit and Matfield of Erasmus as coach - both were coached by White - and they made dsparaging remakrs about White as coach and still do - while they praise Erasmus as coach.    .

In essense I believe that great players are experts in rugby and I believe them and not the comments of "site experts".    For instance Pollard - who played at flyhalf with De Villiers and Esteuizen as inside centers - said in a video that De Allende is the best inside center he ever played with.   So when it comes to that  I believe Pollard and not the "site experts" on the issue.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2024, 13:49
#60
21 Aug 2024, 13:49#60

Interesting, so tell us Wanker, what does this tool do? Could you provide links showing the rugby teams that use it, How does it differ from ESPN stats. Explain.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Aug 2024, 15:12
#61
21 Aug 2024, 15:12#61

Mozart

Hav a look at the following site:-

https://passport.world.rugby/injury-prevention-and-risk-management/breakdown-ready/attacking-breakdown-roles-and-responsibilities/support-player-key-performance-indicators/#:~:text=The%20Key%20Performance%20Indicators%20(KPIs,within%20the%20attacking%20ruck%20formation.

It si clear that all national teams and most top clubs and franchises use the relevant system for performance analysis of  players.   

You would know about KPI usage in  busnesses as well.    

.   ,  

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
21 Aug 2024, 16:22
#62
21 Aug 2024, 16:22#62

Best player in the world right now. Yes, you have Du Pont, but what Stephanie is doing goes beyond any mere human capabilities 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Aug 2024, 17:09
#63
21 Aug 2024, 17:09#63


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MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Aug 2024, 17:34
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21 Aug 2024, 17:34#64
Not long ago a Irish loose trio of Caelan Doris, Josh van der Flier and Ryan Baird, totally outplayed Kwagga, Kolisi and S Du Toit to draw the series. What about a Savea, Papali‘i and Blackadder that contained the Puma Monster loose trio of Conzales, Matera and Kramer?? A loose trio that out played them in the first test. What about other Bok players that has made the same kind of impact and scored most of our points? SFM, Arendse, Mapimpi, Jessica Kriel….loosies like BJ Dixon that also scored a try and had a higher tackle count than Stef in first OZ test or Elrigh with the same amount of carriers as stef?? What about Frans Ox, Bongi,Marx, RG and Eben ? We could not have won without them. Stef is a special player and always leads by example, but to call him the best player in the world is a stretch. And this so called rugby expert Keo , and Media like that ass kisser Brendon Nel, with there hype is taking everything out of context.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Aug 2024, 18:18
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21 Aug 2024, 18:18#65

"totally outplayed Kwagga, Kolisi and S Du Toit to draw the series."

That's a stretch...they were more than just competitive, but they didn't totally outplay us...we barely lost in the death...Kwagga wasn't up to scratch as a starter, but we held our own while the ref allowed them to play on the edge at the breakdown...they were pinged a lot but not enough...take a step back and gain some perspective...Ireland is the second best team in the world just behind us...has been right up there for years...NZ got lucky to beat them at the RWC...they have been the form team for years now.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Aug 2024, 18:28
#66
21 Aug 2024, 18:28#66
" take a step back and gain some perspective...Ireland is the second best team in the world just behind us " Exactly what I am saying, therefore no claims of best players or teams can be made at this point of time….This year so far, Ireland is tied with Boks at the top , but it might change with AB tour….and they were out played and contained, other wise Ireland would not have won.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Aug 2024, 18:30
#67
21 Aug 2024, 18:30#67

totally outplayed would suggest a larger margin than a drop goal at the death.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
21 Aug 2024, 18:49
#68
21 Aug 2024, 18:49#68
Fair enough. They showed great courage to contain us and pull it thru at the end.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Aug 2024, 19:51
#69
21 Aug 2024, 19:51#69

They had to dig very deep to pull it trough...they wanted it real bad and just managed to get over the line...no shame in the Boks just missing out...

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Aug 2024, 20:58
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21 Aug 2024, 20:58#70

Dud Toit wasn’t even the best loosie in the Irish series, Doris was. He didn’t tackle as much as Dud did, but has a higher success rate….and he out gained Dud 111 metres to 54 metres with many more defenders beaten.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Aug 2024, 10:58
#71
22 Aug 2024, 10:58#71

Normal prejudiced BS as expected.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Aug 2024, 13:56
#72
22 Aug 2024, 13:56#72

‘  This is my final comment on site as to Erasmus, Du Toit and De Allende’

I know you are an exceptionally dishonest man Wanker, but you made this undertaking on this string. Honor it.

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