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Andre Esterhuizen off to Harlequins

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Apr 2020, 19:13
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17 Apr 2020, 19:13#1

The following from News24:-


The Sharks are increasingly likely to have seen the last of strapping midfield enforcer Andre Esterhuizen at Super Rugby level.


If so, Esterhuizen has indisputably gone out on a high, playing no small role in their rise to top-of-the-table outfit, both domestically and more broadly, at the point when the coronavirus crisis forced suspension of the 2020 tournament in mid-March ... and he is also about to enter a new world of formidable, possibly R7.8million-rand-per-year wealth with Harlequins in the English Premiership.


The chance of Super Rugby resuming this season looks increasingly remote, given the varying degrees and durations of multinational lockdowns in force.

A stronger likelihood, as reported - if there is to be any prospect of fresh rugby activity from some point in June - is an impromptu, all home-based tournament featuring the four SA Super Rugby franchises and PRO14 sides the Cheetahs and Kings.


Under ordinary circumstances, Super Rugby was due to have ended this year with the final on June 20, so when he put pen to paper with ‘Quins in January, Esterhuizen would have done so on the likely understanding that he would join up with them as a big-name recruit well in time for the 2020/21 northern hemisphere campaign.


Clubs there will be hoping for a fresh, unimpeded start after a badly disrupted final portion of the 2019/20 season, although Harlequins will also be aware that Esterhuizen, who narrowly missed the World Cup squad “boat” in Japan but has been in superb form since, is likely to come into the picture for Springbok plans in the Rugby Championship - currently scheduled for August and September.


The brawny 26-year-old did start two Tests under then-head coach (now more specifically director of rugby) Rassie Erasmus in 2019, ahead of the victorious RWC ... and both were Bok victories, against Australia in Johannesburg and Argentina in Pretoria.

Esterhuizen has eight caps, but just based on his recent exploits with the vibrant Sharks, he will be a strong challenger to Bok inside centre incumbent Damian de Allende this year.


Bear in mind that even once he has finally quit Kings Park, the player will retain, for some time, the knowledge of his deep-rooted synergy with Sharks captain and Bok occupier of the outside channel Lukhanyo Am.


They have been a great foil for each other during the Sharks’ elegant run of both excellent results and easy-on-the-eye try-scoring exploits in 2020, Esterhuizen’s enormously strong physique and ability to draw in defenders to himself doing plenty to create opportunities in better space for the various, nippy and elusive athletes among the outside backs.

Once more renowned as a slightly indelicate “basher”, the 112kg Esterhuizen has increasingly developed the skills side to his game, offloading deftly out of the tackle and passing with crisp authority, while also enhancing his peripheral vision to sniff out counter-attack opportunities and the like.


The Sharks have had fine value out of the player, considering that he joined them out of school (Klerksdorp High) in time for the 2013 campaign at age-group level, and then onto both their Super Rugby and Currie Cup tiers a year later.


During his time in the Sanzaar competition, the Sharks have reached the knockout phase five times in six completed seasons - the lone exception being 2015 - and were well on the way to a notably productive showing in the 2020 version.


A little like Bok colleague Eben Etzebeth, who finally left the Stormers at the end of the 2019 campaign to join French glamour club Toulon, Esterhuizen has been a one-franchise man in South Africa, so few could begrudge him his switch - which may help make him an even more rounded, wiser player - to the moneyed “north”.


If UK-initiated reports that he joins London-based Harlequins on terms of 340 000 pounds a year are correct, his worth in rands has only jumped spectacularly in the last few weeks, during the ongoing global health/economic crisis.

When he scribbled his signature at the start of the year, that translated to some R6.4-million at a rand-pound exchange rate of about 19; it has since ballooned to 23, meaning he should be worth R7.8-million annually at this juncture.


If he wasn’t already, that unquestionably places him right among South Africa’s rugby-playing elite financially"'


Esterhuizen is a loss to the Sharks as he s a good Super Rugby player,  He had a pace problem influencing his defense and that most llkely caused him not to make the WC squad last year,


He should do very well in on the slow NH fields,   Even though he did not make the WC squad he is likely to be on Jones reporting to Erasmus and Nienaber.  ...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Apr 2020, 21:58
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17 Apr 2020, 21:58#2
Bullshit, there is nothing wrong with his pace He is a class act who has been in great form for sometime now Huge loss to the Sharks but luckily they have Marius Louw to step into Esterhuizens boots I rate Louw big tine
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sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
17 Apr 2020, 22:09
#3
17 Apr 2020, 22:09#3
Esterhuizen has been very good for the Sharks. He is a big unit, but he also has an offload and a decent step for such a big person.
He was solid for the Boks, but never really carried his Sharks form to international level. Maybe just needs more game time. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Apr 2020, 22:45
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17 Apr 2020, 22:45#4

It was tough on Esterhuizen living in the shadow of the more skilful and tough as nails Allende. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Apr 2020, 23:56
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17 Apr 2020, 23:56#5
Yeah Esterhuizen deserves more time at test level. We are well stocked at centre de Allende, Am, Jessie Kriel, JVR, Serfontein and Esterhuizen Plus a good few others bubbling under these top candidates
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Apr 2020, 00:08
#6
18 Apr 2020, 00:08#6

Our only test quality 12 will be sorely missed by the Sharks. The best rusher in the Bok squad who amplified the potency of the defence. Best 1v1 defender in the team, immensely physical, but very dangerous when creating space and slipping very slick passes to set runners free. The Harlequins  made a very good buy. A man who dominated Kerevi on his own and shut-down their entire game on his own. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2020, 07:14
#7
18 Apr 2020, 07:14#7

Sadly AO missed out on the fact that Estehuizen's defense deficiency cause him to be out of the WC squad,   Hope Andre succeeds playing for Harlequins to see whether he will be a good enough player to enhance his candidacy for Springbok selection.  It will require a major improvement \ je is up against strong competition for selection.     

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Apr 2020, 07:35
#8
18 Apr 2020, 07:35#8

This "defense deficiency" exists in your head and nowhere else.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Apr 2020, 07:57
#9
18 Apr 2020, 07:57#9

Yes I recall that deficiency, not teleporting between frames fast enough. That was very amusing. 

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Apr 2020, 10:43
#10
18 Apr 2020, 10:43#10

Let's revisit that saga, so many Mike Myths had to be busted in that thread it's unreal.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2020, 13:57
#11
18 Apr 2020, 13:57#11

I at one stage did an evaluation of the first five tests Esterhuizen played in for the Springboks - his tackle stats were -

*   tackles made   22  - tackles missed 5

A similar evaluation in respect of De Allende revealed -

*   tackles made   42   - tackles missed  5

So have fun idiot,           

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
18 Apr 2020, 14:15
#12
18 Apr 2020, 14:15#12

Yes, and I put that nicely in perspective for you taking the whole season's stats:

Why don't you take the entire season's stats for both players, Mike?

De Allende 79 tackle attempts at 84% success and 8.7 tackle attempts per game.

Esterhuizen 46 tackle attempts at 80% success with 7.6 tackle attempts per game.

Then take into account that Esterhuizen only played the last 20 minutes in the final England test. If you discard that and only take the tests both players started:

Esterhuizen 42 tackle attempts at 83% success with 8.4 attempts per game.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2020, 14:41
#13
18 Apr 2020, 14:41#13

Thanks Pakie

It still proved that De Allende was a better defender than Esterhuizen in the tests he played in.   

There was another issue that was mentioned on site after the WC  Final.  It dealt with a number of issues which affected the game in favour of the Springboks.  One of those were the extremely quick time players rejoin the backline defense structure after they made a tackle and mentioned incidents involving De Allende as well showing video clips to support his comments.

Interesting enough the other player that was doing the same was Du Toit.    The writer of that report credit Stick for transferring a Sevens skill to the Springbok players - thus strengthening the defense of the team substantially.       


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Apr 2020, 14:55
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18 Apr 2020, 14:55#14
Bulls hit Mike Esterhuizen has no issue with his defence at all, in fact he is probably the hardest hitting centre in the game Trust fucking useless Aug to tell us Esterhuizen is the only Bok standard 12 we have I guess de Allende being the best 12 in the game elevates him to World standard not just Bok standard Fucking clueless prick
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Apr 2020, 19:26
#15
18 Apr 2020, 19:26#15

Cite one dominant Damian tackle. This is where numbers fall away. An Esterhuizen tackle is worth more than a Damian tackle. Ankle clasps, shoulder rubs, dragged backwards, hands on a player as a secondary tackler, stats don't account for this. It also doesn't gauged defensive pressure either. Put it this way, would Damian really stop Kerevi in his tracks? For anyone who says yes, I challenge you to go through my video of his entire 2018 season and show me one example to justify that position. Esterhuizen is vastly superior to Damian on attack and defence. He has better skills, reads play better, has a better and more intelligent boot, is significantly stronger, and is our most dominant defender and best rusher. Damian isnt 10% of Esterhuizen. It's not even close. A World Cup final, and look at the mistakes of Damian. Seven years in and he is surpassed by a rookie. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Apr 2020, 20:59
#16
18 Apr 2020, 20:59#16
YAWN
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Apr 2020, 22:04
#17
18 Apr 2020, 22:04#17

Yawn again.  Go and watch the video clips I posted under another thread. and you may see reality for a change , 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Apr 2020, 00:40
#18
19 Apr 2020, 00:40#18

See reality? I have covered entire contributions for entire seasons. You can't top that. I know these players far better than you ever could. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Apr 2020, 01:04
#19
19 Apr 2020, 01:04#19
The only thing you could cover is a pit full of your shit
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Apr 2020, 02:28
#20
19 Apr 2020, 02:28#20

Mike, ATM Esterhuizen is our second best proven inside center.  There are a few promising contenders, but none proven. Fransie isn't an option as starting 12. He is the super sub on the bench option if we still want to play the 6-2 split.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Apr 2020, 05:19
#21
19 Apr 2020, 05:19#21
Incorrect. Our best 12. In order of quality: Esterhuizen, Frans, Serf. Then there is nobody. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 07:42
#22
19 Apr 2020, 07:42#22

The fool without end at work again,   L MAO

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:00
#23
19 Apr 2020, 09:00#23
Where was this great Damian? Contribution to warrant such praise? Where was his big moment? Running into open space? How fortuitous. He hasn't had one dominant test in his career. Pick any test, and the same frailties are present time after time. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:03
#24
19 Apr 2020, 09:03#24

Look at what happened in the past two seasons and don't be a continuous fool with wild statements.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:09
#25
19 Apr 2020, 09:09#25

Don't be a fool? I have covered all of his contributions in detail. I even have his entire 2018 season on video, freely available for all to reference. I'm so glad I took the time to do that. It renders all of your arguments stillborn. That makes me happy. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:30
#26
19 Apr 2020, 09:30#26

Stupidity and prejudice is what makes you happy - so live with it, 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:30
#27
19 Apr 2020, 09:30#27

Stupidity and prejudice is what makes you happy - so live with it, 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:30
#28
19 Apr 2020, 09:30#28

Stupidity and prejudice is what makes you happy - so live with it, 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Apr 2020, 09:44
#29
19 Apr 2020, 09:44#29

Got you a little jumpy. Fourth time's the charm? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 15:17
#30
19 Apr 2020, 15:17#30

No AO - just liking the truth for  a change,  What you think is covering performances is always BS,   Fact is White apparently thought that Esterhuizen is no center and tried to use him as a number 7 loosie and he failed as expected,    What  I hope for is that Harlequins allow the guy to develop as a center and there is even a small chance that he may end up as a test player,,     

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
19 Apr 2020, 16:36
#31
19 Apr 2020, 16:36#31
Don't let your irritation towards Aug gloss over Esterhuizens ability, he's a quality player and there's no denying it. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Apr 2020, 19:47
#32
19 Apr 2020, 19:47#32

Shezza

I never doubted his ability as a Super Rugby level player - but he was not really good enough on test level and Erasmus did not consider him as good enough to fit into his game plan.

There is some chance that he could improve on the slow England fields so lets hope for the best for him in future,   There are new centers coming through on Varsity Cup level and we will have to see how they do in future.  That may upset the applecart fo r Esterhuizen. .        

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2020, 00:38
#34
20 Apr 2020, 00:38#34
Our 12’s in order are de Allende Serfontein Esterhuizen Janse v Rensburg Vorster Odendaal Marius Louw Frans Venter Nico Lee Our two great new prospects at 12 are: James Mollentze and Rickus Pretorious Possibly Willemse All the 12’s above are test standard
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Apr 2020, 01:01
#35
20 Apr 2020, 01:01#35
Ja Lister, everyone's a winner! 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2020, 12:24
#36
20 Apr 2020, 12:24#36
YAWN
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2020, 13:14
#37
20 Apr 2020, 13:14#37

AO is a total fool with near to zero knowledge about rugby.  So I also YAWN  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2020, 13:14
#38
20 Apr 2020, 13:14#38

AO is a total fool with near to zero knowledge about rugby.  So I also YAWN  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Apr 2020, 15:31
#39
20 Apr 2020, 15:31#39
He is a boring negative prick who is an insult to SA rugby supporters
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2020, 17:25
#40
20 Apr 2020, 17:25#40

Dave 

Please do not rive the idiot from the site - he will just come back with a different user name and bore us afresh,   We must accept he is a total rugby idiot and remind him regularly of that,  

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